Inspired by marijuana thread..

C.Ann

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I had posted on that thread that I felt it should be legal for medicinal purposes and now that I've been thinking about it for awhile, I don't really understand why they don't allow that..

The narcotic pain medications that doctors prescribe today are extremely addictive - probably much more so than pot.. Look at oxycontin.. It's also extremely expensive and can result in the need for a detox program when the patient no longer needs the medication..

If marijuana could produce similar pain relief, at a reduced cost to the patient, with less chance of addiction and the need to detox from it, wouldn't it make more sense for doctors to prescribe that - rather than oxycontin and other similar potent narcotics?

Is the problem that the drug manufacturers couldn't make enough money off of it to make it worth their while?

I'll probably missing a big part of the picture here, so feel free to point it out to me.. I'm just thinking out loud - off the top of my head..
 
I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that it's airbourne & can affect other people easier? :confused:
 
I had posted on that thread that I felt it should be legal for medicinal purposes and now that I've been thinking about it for awhile, I don't really understand why they don't allow that..

The narcotic pain medications that doctors prescribe today are extremely addictive - probably much more so than pot.. Look at oxycontin.. It's also extremely expensive and can result in the need for a detox program when the patient no longer needs the medication..

If marijuana could produce similar pain relief, at a reduced cost to the patient, with less chance of addiction and the need to detox from it, wouldn't it make more sense for doctors to prescribe that - rather than oxycontin and other similar potent narcotics?

Is the problem that the drug manufacturers couldn't make enough money off of it to make it worth their while?

I'll probably missing a big part of the picture here, so feel free to point it out to me.. I'm just thinking out loud - off the top of my head..

I think it should be legal for any purpose...It is simply ridiculous we spend one penny in this country on enforcing marijuana laws or incarcerating someone for using marijuana...It is in the hundreds of millions over the years!!
 
I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that it's airbourne & can affect other people easier? :confused:
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Well - is it true that it can be put in baked goods? Or is that just rumor? You know - the whole "brownies" thing.. (I'm a dim wit when it comes to drugs - LOL..) Maybe it could be made in a form that could be mixed with food or made in a pill form?
 

I agree. It has never made sense to me. A properly prescribed medicine is just that.

I'll never forget the time I came home from college to find a bag of marijuana in the vegetable crisper. My dad was dying from cancer. Turns out it did not help him, but if it helps others then they shouldn't have to break the law to obtain it. My dad and mom had enough to worry about at the time!

I have a feeling it all comes down to money...it always does!
 
I have a feeling it all comes down to money...it always does!
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That's really the only thing I can think of too.. Certainly using marijuana would be far less addicting than oxycontin - easier to get off of - and cost significantly less..

Even if it was only used for nausea for chemo patients and such.. Have you ever seen the cost of Zofran - the drug that is normally used? I have a prescription sitting here that had a $60 co-pay.. If I had to pay out-of-pocket it would have been $800 for 30 pills..:eek: (And the side effects from that medication create a whole new set of problems that have to be dealt with by - SURPRISE! - taking MORE medications!!!!) :headache:
 
I have several relatives HOOKED on dope. I mean can't get off of it long enough to get a clean drug test to get a job.

BUT if a Dr prescribes it for something like cancer or chronic pain or something I am all for it. Just don't legalize it and make it one more thing they sell over the counter that teens can talk older buddies or something into buying for them.

It's a mellow drug, I have actually smoked my fair share but don't be fooled it can and does ruin lives.
 
I'm for it. But many will abuse it. There are shop pot Dr's that you just give money to and they write you a script and you go to that shop and get pot and the Dr.s get a percentage. Theses are real Dr.s

We have a friend who has been a pot head for years...he saw on TV/news about this and hunted one of the shops down they gave him names of Dr.s and he went and now he has a medical pot card. His diagnosis is chronic upset stomach...ummmmm DUH!!!

He says to me...see I'm legal now :eek: :sad2: He will not admit that he is an addict. He could not even stop smoking so his wife could get pregnant....

It needs to be done the right way and not the way it is at this time. He also said the pot he gets is really cheep. Cheaper than on the street. Not as good a street pot however....UHG!!!!!
 
I had posted on that thread that I felt it should be legal for medicinal purposes and now that I've been thinking about it for awhile, I don't really understand why they don't allow that..

The narcotic pain medications that doctors prescribe today are extremely addictive - probably much more so than pot.. Look at oxycontin.. It's also extremely expensive and can result in the need for a detox program when the patient no longer needs the medication..

If marijuana could produce similar pain relief, at a reduced cost to the patient, with less chance of addiction and the need to detox from it, wouldn't it make more sense for doctors to prescribe that - rather than oxycontin and other similar potent narcotics?

Is the problem that the drug manufacturers couldn't make enough money off of it to make it worth their while?

I'll probably missing a big part of the picture here, so feel free to point it out to me.. I'm just thinking out loud - off the top of my head..

It's not legal because:
1. Tobacco lobbyists don't want it to be legal.
2. Drug company lobbyists don't want it to be legal.
3. It is a politically risky move to introduce legislation to make it legal.
4. There are not any well proven reasons for making it legal for everyone. Doctors can prescribe Marinol to patients already and 12 or more states already allow compassionate use marijuana for patients with certain medical conditions.
 
So a pill form - prescribed by a doctor (just like Lortabs; Percocet; Oxycontin; etc.) - might be a better alternative than something you smoke?

Or maybe it wouldn't be as effective.. :confused3 I don't know as obviously I have never smoked it..
 
Doctors can prescribe Marinol to patients already and 12 or more states already allow compassionate use marijuana for patients with certain medical conditions.
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What is this? And what 12 states prescribe it? Why won't other states prescribe it as well - yet they have no problems with something as powerful as oxycontin? :confused3
 
So a pill form - prescribed by a doctor (just like Lortabs; Percocet; Oxycontin; etc.) - might be a better alternative than something you smoke?

Or maybe it wouldn't be as effective.. :confused3 I don't know as obviously I have never smoked it..

My patients have told me that the pill form doesn't work as well as the inhaled stuff you buy on the streets. Not sure if it has been studied.
 
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What is this? And what 12 states prescribe it? Why won't other states prescribe it as well - yet they have no problems with something as powerful as oxycontin? :confused3

Marinol is a pill that has synthetic THC in it. Marijuana's active ingredient is THC. Doctor's can prescribe Marinol in every state that I know of.

Twelve states allow compassionate use marijuana, the inhaled stuff you buy on the streets. It is typically prescribed for people having horrible problems with appetite such that you might see with high levels of chemotherapy or end stage AIDS.
 
Marinol is a pill that has synthetic THC in it. Marijuana's active ingredient is THC. Doctor's can prescribe Marinol in every state that I know of.

Twelve states allow compassionate use marijuana, the inhaled stuff you buy on the streets. It is typically prescribed for people having horrible problems with appetite such that you might see with high levels of chemotherapy or end stage AIDS.
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Thanks! I really need to keep up with this stuff.. LOL
 
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Thanks! I really need to keep up with this stuff.. LOL

No problem. It's an interesting question. There are pretty good arguments on both sides of the issue from what I have read.
 
I had three too many boyfriends who liked smoking pot more than they liked having an adult relationship, and I had to make a final decision NOT to date another pot smoker, which is how I met hubby (has never even tried it or been around others smoking it).

My own mom smoked it for years, and even did so around us, so being around peers smoking it makes me feel like those peers are ancient. It's just all so silly to be around.

BUT I think it should be legalized.

I know a couple people who like that it's illegal b/c it keeps them from trying it. I don't understand that! I got into a near-yelling argument with an old friend during my bachelorette weekend, over legalization. I think she's really worried about what she might do if it were legal. For me, the legality of it makes no difference. I know countless places where I could get it, b/c I live in the same town as those exes, and knowing where it is hasn't caused me to get it.


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Well - is it true that it can be put in baked goods? Or is that just rumor? You know - the whole "brownies" thing.. (I'm a dim wit when it comes to drugs - LOL..) Maybe it could be made in a form that could be mixed with food or made in a pill form?

It CAN be put into brownies. I have two stories about that.

My mom's second wedding was at the winery that she and her husband worked at. Well, it was the reception; the wedding had been in our front yard. Since children were invited, there wasn't supposed to be anything naughty going on (other than the wine of course), but someone decided to bring some special brownies.

My mom had a good friend who was rather innocent, and along with that she was an extreme overeater. She found the GREEN brownies (even I, at 10 or so, noticed the bizarre green color and stayed FAR away from them (I think I actually told my mom about them)) and ate probably 4 or 5 before anyone could tell her. She was found later passed out on the side of a hill in the vineyard. Yikes.

And the second story was from the last boyfriend pre-husband. He and his friends were getting ready for a huge Halloween party, and had a TON of marijuana. They had it b/c he worked with a teacher (he was a para educator) whose son had decided to do local wrestling, and he wanted to build a ring on their property. Since they (the teacher and her son) had been growing quite a crop, they had to cut it ALL down, and my boyfriend and his roommates had bags and bags and bags (paper grocery bags) full. It was ridiculous.

One of them decided they wanted brownies, so they started figuring that out. And after much experimentation, they found that the most effective and tasty way (the others were horrible, they said) was to make basically an "herb butter", then use that butter in the brownie batter.

So brownies are NOT an easy way of doing it.



And rather than being a pain reliever (I never noticed someone say "oh my pain is gone" when smoking it) I think it's more that it relaxes people. And it's used while people are having chemotherapy b/c it quells the nausea and allows people to EAT, which keeps them healthier.

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That's really the only thing I can think of too.. Certainly using marijuana would be far less addicting than oxycontin - easier to get off of - and cost significantly less..

Cost, control, not wanting to be the politician that legalized it, those all play into it.

As for the addictiveness of it, "they" have shown repeatedly that since it doesn't cause withdrawal symptoms, that means it's not addictive.

Don't know that I totally believe that, but if going by some official definition of addiction, I guess withdrawals are a big part of that definition, and it doesn't fit.

I've never seen anyone's life ruined by it. If people have a problem in their lives and they are covering it by smoking, they'd cover it with booze or shopping or gambling or any of those things, if pot weren't available. So it's the nature of the person that's the problem, IMO, not the thing itself.

In my boyfriends' cases, they just wanted to escape life. They COULD go without it, but they didn't LIKE to. They enjoyed the feeling of relaxation that it gave them, and the fact that it helped them not be adults and in a relationship (with the wrong person, which I absolutely was for them) when they didn't really want to be in one.
 
I had three too many boyfriends who liked smoking pot more than they liked having an adult relationship, and I had to make a final decision NOT to date another pot smoker, which is how I met hubby (has never even tried it or been around others smoking it).

My own mom smoked it for years, and even did so around us, so being around peers smoking it makes me feel like those peers are ancient. It's just all so silly to be around.

BUT I think it should be legalized.

I know a couple people who like that it's illegal b/c it keeps them from trying it. I don't understand that! I got into a near-yelling argument with an old friend during my bachelorette weekend, over legalization. I think she's really worried about what she might do if it were legal. For me, the legality of it makes no difference. I know countless places where I could get it, b/c I live in the same town as those exes, and knowing where it is hasn't caused me to get it.




It CAN be put into brownies. I have two stories about that.

My mom's second wedding was at the winery that she and her husband worked at. Well, it was the reception; the wedding had been in our front yard. Since children were invited, there wasn't supposed to be anything naughty going on (other than the wine of course), but someone decided to bring some special brownies.

My mom had a good friend who was rather innocent, and along with that she was an extreme overeater. She found the GREEN brownies (even I, at 10 or so, noticed the bizarre green color and stayed FAR away from them (I think I actually told my mom about them)) and ate probably 4 or 5 before anyone could tell her. She was found later passed out on the side of a hill in the vineyard. Yikes.

And the second story was from the last boyfriend pre-husband. He and his friends were getting ready for a huge Halloween party, and had a TON of marijuana. They had it b/c he worked with a teacher (he was a para educator) whose son had decided to do local wrestling, and he wanted to build a ring on their property. Since they (the teacher and her son) had been growing quite a crop, they had to cut it ALL down, and my boyfriend and his roommates had bags and bags and bags (paper grocery bags) full. It was ridiculous.

One of them decided they wanted brownies, so they started figuring that out. And after much experimentation, they found that the most effective and tasty way (the others were horrible, they said) was to make basically an "herb butter", then use that butter in the brownie batter.

So brownies are NOT an easy way of doing it.



And rather than being a pain reliever (I never noticed someone say "oh my pain is gone" when smoking it) I think it's more that it relaxes people. And it's used while people are having chemotherapy b/c it quells the nausea and allows people to EAT, which keeps them healthier.



Cost, control, not wanting to be the politician that legalized it, those all play into it.

As for the addictiveness of it, "they" have shown repeatedly that since it doesn't cause withdrawal symptoms, that means it's not addictive.

Don't know that I totally believe that, but if going by some official definition of addiction, I guess withdrawals are a big part of that definition, and it doesn't fit.

I've never seen anyone's life ruined by it. If people have a problem in their lives and they are covering it by smoking, they'd cover it with booze or shopping or gambling or any of those things, if pot weren't available. So it's the nature of the person that's the problem, IMO, not the thing itself.

In my boyfriends' cases, they just wanted to escape life. They COULD go without it, but they didn't LIKE to. They enjoyed the feeling of relaxation that it gave them, and the fact that it helped them not be adults and in a relationship (with the wrong person, which I absolutely was for them) when they didn't really want to be in one.
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*Note to self: Avoid green brownies..

Thanks for sharing that info.. ;)
 

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