Information from DCL or lack of?

[Sykes]

I haven't seen any indication that NCL has found the CSO reasonable.

NCL literally asked the 11th District Court of Appeals to leave the CSO in place while the CDC sought appeal. Here's the brief NCL filed if you'd like to read it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b2ejxw9gr0raqzb/12846717_5_11th Circuit amicus brief.DOCX.pdf?dl=0
Here is a direct quote from the document written by NCL:
"Cruise lines worked hard and at great expense with CDC to arrive at a workable framework that protects everyone’s health and safety while enabling cruise lines to resume operations for the benefit of all their passengers and stakeholders. At long last, CDC arrived at a workable framework with the benefit of extensive input from NCLH and a Healthy Sail Panel (comprised of leading experts) that NCLH assembled in tandem with Royal Caribbean Group. The result is that cruise lines are now in fact resuming U.S. operations as long planned and as hoped. The only problem for NCLH now is that Florida is threatening to interfere with the established framework and planning."

 

[DCLMP]

Because they did not do test cruises and are using the published protocols for 95% sailings. No one went ham and started cruising outside of CDC guidance despite the initial court ruling.

I know they are sailing under the CDC guidelines, but they are also breaking Florida law. I guess time will tell if Florida decides to do something about it.

 

[DCLMP]

NCL literally asked the 11th District Court of Appeals to leave the CSO in place while the CDC sought appeal. Here's the brief NCL filed if you'd like to read it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b2ejxw9gr0raqzb/12846717_5_11th Circuit amicus brief.DOCX.pdf?dl=0
Here is a direct quote from the document:
"Cruise lines worked hard and at great expense with CDC to arrive at a workable framework that protects everyone’s health and safety while enabling cruise lines to resume operations for the benefit of all their passengers and stakeholders. At long last, CDC arrived at a workable framework with the benefit of extensive input from NCLH and a Healthy Sail Panel (comprised of leading experts) that NCLH assembled in tandem with Royal Caribbean Group. The result is that cruise lines are now in fact resuming U.S. operations as long planned and as hoped. The only problem for NCLH now is that Florida is threatening to interfere with the established framework and planning."

Yes we know NCL want's the 95% percent rule and that's why they suing Florida.

 

[cvjw]

So obviously Disney can’t sail with the 95% rule due to the number of kids on the cruises. What do they do now?

 

[Sykes]

So obviously Disney can’t sail with the 95% rule due to the number of kids on the cruises. What do they do now?

They do the same thing that they've been doing the entire time--doing test cruises and figuring out how to re-start within the guidelines of the CSO, which allows for fewer than 95% vaccinated individuals if they do test cruises and implement additional health and safety protocols. Unfortunately, they refuse to tell us what those health and safety protocols are even though they know what they are because they had to implement them on the test cruise that is happening right now.

 

[DCLMP]

So obviously Disney can’t sail with the 95% rule due to the number of kids on the cruises. What do they do now?

There will be very strict protocols with masks, covid tests, and whatever else is in the CSO. We don't know that DCL ever had any intention of breaking Florida law since they've been quiet about the whole thing. My guess is they will release something soon and people on here will be outraged. The outrage should get the capacity limits where they are supposed to be.

 

[tvguy]

I couldn't disagree more. Everyons knows and understands this is a fluid situation. They could have announced what they want to do with the disclaimer that it is all subject to change. Anyone who defends their unconscionable silence clearly is not booked on a cruise scheduled in the next 2 months. They could have announced a month ago what their plans for their protocols were at that time and people could have decided to cancel and/or move their reservations if they felt the protocols were likely going to be too restrictive...or possibly too lax - depending on what they were. But at least everyone would have an indication how they are leaning.

Not sure when you booked, but I have believe you had an idea that cancellation was possible if you booked in the last year. I think what you are suggesting would have only make the situation even more confusing. Too many people don't read disclaimers. Turn on any of the Judge shows, so many of those cases are people not reading what they agreed to. Some companies in essential businesses aren't even going to talk about returning to normal operation until after January 1, 2022.

 

[tvguy]

What have they said at all?

There is a covid section on their website if you'd like to see.

 

[kathi]

Royal Caribbean is sailing out of FL right now with less than 95% vaccinated. You can find information on their covid mitigation measures by doing an internet search. Their procedures along with what we are seeing on the Magic in UK are probably the best indication of what August cruises may look like on the Dream.

 

[jrapps]

Of course, today of all days I am offline all morning and there is a last minute stay against the preliminary injunction! All I can say is WOW. I see many of the post today have gotten heated and stray toward political. I get it, people are passionate. I will limit my perspective and conjecture to what we can expect to see from Disney as a result of this.

We have known all along DCL was going to go more family oriented. Combined with the test Cruise ending tomorrow, I will be shocked if we don't hear anything by Wednesday of this week.

My assumption is that Disney will release protocols similar to Royal, but perhaps a bit less "leper" than others here seem to believe. I don't think DCL will go the wrist band, some areas vax only route. I can see them requiring insurance or something like that. I think we will see some hybrid between what DCL does on the Magic in the UK, and what Royal is doing here. At this point masks indoors are a given as that is CDC guidelines. I'd also assume either everyone is tested at the port, or everyone without a vaccination card gets tested. Maybe DCL really surprises and requires vaccines for 12+, but I doubt it. Mostly I expect strict protocols with masks, covid tests, and a lot of social distancing. Limitations on time on the pool deck and kids clubs. No matter what they announce, someone will be upset. No way around that.

End of the day, it's all a big unknown until we hear an announcement. And with that...22 days to do until the Dream sails...is everyone on the Aug 9th sailing pulling all of their hair out yet?

Edit: I should add, especially now that the CSO is intact, I would not at all be surprised if DCL announces tomorrow that they are cancelling the rest of August and possibly into Sept. too. They can cite whatever "need more time" excuse they want, but the only thing that makes sense to me is they were expecting the CSO to be removed. If they assumed it was going to be upheld, or go with the same protocols either way, they would have said something by now.

Does Vegas have odds yet on if the Dream sails Aug 9th?

 

[DCLMP]

Of course, today of all days I am offline all morning and there is a last minute stay against the preliminary injunction! All I can say is WOW. I see many of the post today have gotten heated and stray toward political. I get it, people are passionate. I will limit my perspective and conjecture to what we can expect to see from Disney as a result of this.

We have known all along DCL was going to go more family oriented. Combined with the test Cruise ending tomorrow, I will be shocked if we don't hear anything by Wednesday of this week.

My assumption is that Disney will release protocols similar to Royal, but perhaps a bit less "leper" than others here seem to believe. I don't think DCL will go the wrist band, some areas vax only route. I can see them requiring insurance or something like that. I think we will see some hybrid between what DCL does on the Magic in the UK, and what Royal is doing here. At this point masks indoors are a given as that is CDC guidelines. I'd also assume either everyone is tested at the port, or everyone without a vaccination card gets tested. Maybe DCL really surprises and requires vaccines for 12+, but I doubt it. Mostly I expect strict protocols with masks, covid tests, and a lot of social distancing. Limitations on time on the pool deck and kids clubs. No matter what they announce, someone will be upset. No way around that.

End of the day, it's all a big unknown until we hear an announcement. And with that...22 days to do until the Dream sails...is everyone on the Aug 9th sailing pulling all of their hair out yet?

What Royal is doing is intentional. They do not want unvaccinated people on their ships, and they are going above and beyond to make it such a miserable experience they won’t book. I’m not sure that’s a great long term PR move. I’d be surprised if DIsney goes to those extremes it does not strike me as very Disney like...but who knows.

 

[n2mm]

No matter what they announce, someone will be upset. No way around that.

End of the day, it's all a big unknown until we hear an announcement. And with that...22 days to do until the Dream sails...is everyone on the Aug 9th sailing pulling all of their hair out yet?

I agree, there will not be a OSFA solution at least at the beginning. Now we wait for the protocol. Which will probably be tweaked along the way. While I moved my four 2021 cruises into 2022, we would love to jump on a 4 night in November, depending on the protocol.

 

[jrapps]

What Royal is doing is intentional. They do not want unvaccinated people on their ships, and they are going above and beyond to make it such a miserable experience they won’t book. I’m not sure that’s a great long term PR move. I’d be surprised if DIsney goes to those extremes it does not strike me as very Disney like...but who knows.

I agree, I don't see Disney going to quite the same extreme as Royal. RCL is going above and beyond to discourage the un-vaccinated. From their actions, I would imagine if they were allowed to require vaccines Royal most certainly would be (not saying if that is right or wrong, it is just my impression from their actions)

I see Disney doing what they need to to ensure safety and financial fidelity. Ensure un-vaccinated people are tested multiple times. Ensure they have the proper insurance so that if they are covid-positive, they have the financial means to get home safely (maybe this applies more to 7-day than 3 or 4 day cruises). DCL has no casino and not as much of a nightlife as other cruise lines, so I don't see them limiting as many (or ANY) places on the ship to vax only. But as a result, it will be all masks, all the time. My money is still on more cancellations, but who knows anymore.

 

[mcd2745]

End of the day, it's all a big unknown until we hear an announcement. And with that...22 days to do until the Dream sails...is everyone on the Aug 9th sailing pulling all of their hair out yet?

If I had any...

 

[dvcdisney]

What Royal is doing is intentional. They do not want unvaccinated people on their ships, and they are going above and beyond to make it such a miserable experience they won’t book. I’m not sure that’s a great long term PR move. I’d be surprised if DIsney goes to those extremes it does not strike me as very Disney like...but who knows.

I agree that what Royal is doing is intentional because they don't want unvaccinated people on their ships. But I feel that they may believe that's their only recourse. They want to provide a cruise that's close to "normal" as possible. They don't believe this will happen unless they remove as much risk as possible...and unvaccinated people pose a risk.

I don't envy the decisions that the cruise lines need to make...no matter what is it, they will alienate a percentage of people. So I think their best bet is to determine what protocols would create the least issue to the bottom line. The good thing about DCL is that their integrity seems to always remain in tact.

Just my opinion - If DCL decide to sail with 95% vaccinated (age 12+), I don't think they would suffer as much as people may think. It's the lack of information and announcements that problematic. This is what people are going to remember.

 

[Cheburashka]

I'm sure the next (and possibly final) round of cancellations will be announced some time this week.

 

[CamColt]

***Please Read***

Ok everyone, I know today's announcement and all this speculation has emotions running high, trust me, I'm right there with you all. Maybe it's time to reread the sticky post at the top of the board with the recent adjustment to what is going to be allowed to be posted in reference to Covid. We want these conversations to be helpful and as positive as possible, and not creating debate, which doesn't help anyone.

We appreciate everyone's contributions here and would like to keep the conversation going. Thanks for your cooperation.

 

[jrapps]

***Please Read***

Ok everyone, I know today's announcement and all this speculation has emotions running high, trust me, I'm right there with you all. Maybe it's time to reread the sticky post at the top of the board with the recent adjustment to what is going to be allowed to be posted in reference to Covid. We want these conversations to be helpful and as positive as possible, and not creating debate, which doesn't help anyone.

We appreciate everyone's contributions here and would like to keep the conversation going. Thanks for your cooperation.

Thanks for keeping us focused!

I don't envy you, fingers crossed they let you know info tomorrow, and give you the ability to cancel if you don't like the protocols (assuming that is they don't cancel and take the choice away from you)

 

[DCLMP]

I agree that what Royal is doing is intentional because they don't want unvaccinated people on their ships. But I feel that they may believe that's their only recourse. They want to provide a cruise that's close to "normal" as possible. They don't believe this will happen unless they remove as much risk as possible...and unvaccinated people pose a risk.

I don't envy the decisions that the cruise lines need to make...no matter what is it, they will alienate a percentage of people. So I think their best bet is to determine what protocols would create the least issue to the bottom line. The good thing about DCL is that their integrity seems to always remain in tact.

Just my opinion - If DCL decide to sail with 95% vaccinated (age 12+), I don't think they would suffer as much as people may think. It's the lack of information and announcements that problematic. This is what people are going to remember.

I think they would suffer a lot. Most of the sailings out of PC are families with kids under 12. It would be like saying no one under 12 can go to WDW. I don't think that is feasible. The lack of information is only problematic if you are booked in the next 60 days, but people booked on other cruise lines aren't any better off. I don't think any cruise line has any idea what they are going to do 2 months from now. They are all taking it one day at a time. Whatever protocols they have posted today could change by next week.

 

[The Sasquatch]

There is no way they are ready to sail in August so why put all these people through this with zero information and potentially in the position to lose even more money in airfare, hotels etc. Even if August 9th is sailing, they should provide everyone at least 30 days notice of policies so they can make a choice. If the policy still isn’t clear than they should do the right thing and cancel prior to 30.