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Hey all, I am new. I have been reading this thread because I am going to WDW in April with my mom and my assistance dog. For most of the rides my mom is planning on holding Sienna while I ride because she is not a fan of intense rides. However there are a couple I'd like to know about the kennels for. These are Soarin, Peter Pan and maybe Dinosaur. My mom loves the Soarin ride, it is her favorite but I know she wouldn't want to go on it alone.

One person I have spoken to mentioned that the Kennels at Peter Pan and those at Dinosaur are right where they put wheelchairs and right near a lot of foot traffic. Another person who has a dog from the same program as me did use the kennels near the rides quite a bit and had a great time. I'm trying to get more info from both of them but that's all I have for now. I too am trying to decide if it is safe enough to use these kennels for those three rides or if I will have to split up from my mom in which case she probably won't want to leave me to ride alone. I would feel better about it if I knew a CM was standing guard in front of the crate as opposed to just having a crate sitting out in the open. I've even thought, well, what if I bring a padlock and lock the crate closed, lol! I'm not sure that's an option but I'm just trying to think of what to do.
 
I've even thought, well, what if I bring a padlock and lock the crate closed, lol! I'm not sure that's an option but I'm just trying to think of what to do.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea, even if they would allow it. Imagine this (and yeah, this is worst case scenario, but roll with it for a minute) ... you're on the ride, and a fire breaks out on the unload platform where your SD is in the kennel. The employees can't evacuate him (and this is pretty much the only time I could imagine them actually handling the SD, which I'm sure nobody would have a problem with since it is saving the SD's life) because he's locked in the kennel and you have the key with you.

When in April are you going? If it's after my trip (10-13), I'll have the answers for you. Otherwise, maybe the OP will come back and post updated info from their trip. :)
 
Yeah I wasn't actually planning on doing it. I don't think they'd allow it for that kind of reason. Just trying to think of all the options to keep my lady safe. My biggest fear is of course someone just opening the crate and walking off with her. I would totally lose it. Not to mention I would be essentially stranded without her assistance. I do think I would feel more comfortable if the crate was, say, at a loading station within an actual ride "building" if you will, where most people coming in/out are concerned with actually getting on/off a ride, as opposed to out in the open near a sidewalk where people are meandering and have time to mess with the dog.

What happens if someone leaves their personal wheelchair while they ride, is there someone nearby to make sure kids don't start playing with it? Or how would they prevent someone thinking "wow that orange chair is much cooler than the boring one I rented, I'll just say it's mine!" I imagine how the wheelchairs are treated will be similar to how a dog in a crate would be treated (by the CMs, I mean.) I can imagine being equally worried about a random guest stealing a personal wheelchair though I guess dogs might be more tempting to a lot of people.

The other handler who went last year got back to me and said they never felt worried for the dog when they left him. They said the crate was quite oversized- they have a giant berner SD so I can believe that. I am a bit more protective of my dog though so I can't be sure if she was just oblivious or if it really did feel safe. I may just have to wait and see!

I'll be there the 11th-14th, so about the same time as you Jilly. If you see a big golden retriever in a red vest and brown harness that just might be us!
 
I'll be there the 11th-14th, so about the same time as you Jilly. If you see a big golden retriever in a red vest and brown harness that just might be us!

Awesome!! There will be 4 of us in our group, J has Rusty the chocolate lab, and D uses a cane, then there will be 2 of us that are (mostly) "normal". ;)

I spent 5 years working at Universal/IoA, and never once saw someone try to take someone else's personal chair. Ever. Of course, the rides where I worked either had few enough ride vehicles that we could remember what vehicle the chair belonged with, or we had a flag that we could put on the vehicle to remind us to bring the chair over. A few people would point and comment about the SD in a kennel, but it was more children going "look mommy! A doggie!! We should have brought Fluffy!!" To be honest, most people in the parks are in their own little worlds, they don't even notice ... as people that use wheelchairs/ECVs can attest to, given how many people walk right into them. :)
 

Just so you know the OP decided to leave the dog at home. I wish I could cancel the whole trip altogether but I can't, my dd who was born with a lack of oxygen, almost did not live, had seizures, cerebral palsy, told she would not walk or talk, and has two IQ test stating she only has an IQ of 81, will graduate from university in may with bachelors and has two days before she goes into her masters program. I have to give her this request, she has been in school for 25 years and 7 months, since the day she was born, she has over come so much and this iS what she has asked for.

But I am not happy at all with Disney, blind can't get a DAS, blind don't have any accommodations when asked for In room accommodations, blind can't ride with there family if they use a dog. Blind can not use the kennels for there service dogs because there is no way for them to ride over to the kennels. Blind are still told that is what there family is for. What's little bit blind fought for, or I should say blind who must not understand the rest of blind people did no good since we are not going to leave a $40000 dog unlocked out in the open for anyone to steal.

So my dd with cp will be my human guide in Disney this trip since Disney just refuses to accommodate the blind in a way that makes us equal. I swear this will be my last trip to wdw or dlr if Disney does not start to give me equal treatment as other disabled.
 
How does being blind have anything to do with waiting in a line?

You can still get to the boarding kennels, its just not a free service provided by Disney nor should it be. The boarding kennels aren't free for service animals so I can't figure out why they should be obligated to provide transportation to them when you can easily take a cab. While I agree that dogs need a break and some users want a day in the park without their dog, that's not Disney's problem to deal with.
 
How does being blind have anything to do with waiting in a line?

You can still get to the boarding kennels, its just not a free service provided by Disney nor should it be. The boarding kennels aren't free for service animals so I can't figure out why they should be obligated to provide transportation to them when you can easily take a cab. While I agree that dogs need a break and some users want a day in the park without their dog, that's not Disney's problem to deal with.

By your philosophy w/c's should not be provided as a rental by Disney, if a person had a "true disability" than they would have there own w/c and Disney should not provide them with one even for renting.

I see it totally different. Blind had a case action suit against Disney, settled out of court, in the suit it asked for a secure way to have a guide dog at a ride so that blind could enjoy the park with family the same as non blind individuals. I asked a question and even sue could not really answer the question, and forgive me if I am wrong and thank you sue for what you did find out, but from what I get from your writing, Disney has not followed the intent of the settlement. They provided kennels you think, but in many rides you assume that is where they will be, they did not provide a safe and secure place for our dogs. In that case, the only safe and secure kennels for our dogs is the kennels at the best friends. Since Disney has not and will not by the time I arrive next month supplied me with a safe and secure place for my dog, or a way to give me the same enjoyment out of there park that an individual without blindness has, than the ride to the kennels should be free. Jellybean has stated that US has taken the law suit at heart and provided the kennels in a secure place, but sues response leaves lots of unanswered questions, Disney themself could not answer the question of security, and on a different sight dlr persons state the dogs are left unattended. I know no blind individual with a guide dog that cost $40,000 would leave the dog unattended at a park that size. I do not mind paying for the kennels itself, $32 a day, but the ride to them should be disneys responsibility since it is them that are not giving a secure place as agreed upon I. The settlement.at least at dlr the kennels are right outside the gates and are easily accessible to those who can not drive due to a disability.

Asking why a blind person would need help in a line is like asking a w/c person why they need an accessible line. Why does a w/c need an accessible room? Why do they need an accessible pool? I don't ask stupid questions, but really why does a blind person need a family member like Disney has ask me three times, won't I have one while in lines, well won't a w/c or autistic also have a family member, why do I need an accommodation in my room assignment, won't I have family, well won't a w/c or a deaf person also have family? Why do I need to have my service dog at all, won't I have family, won't the autistic or w/c person? Won't you enjoy the ride totally alone without your family or friend when you are blind and rely on them to help you see what is happening, telling you you are in a tunnel, or coming to the top of splash mountain and there are bees and honeypots around, oh but wait a minute, your family is out holding your dog even though it charged you $100 to get in and no discount for the companion that they keep telling you you have to have for lines, and for rooms and for accommodations, but then they make that person sit out with the dog so you can ride alone and have no one explain the ride to you? Why do you think blindness does not deserve the same respect as you?
 
I am with Gilesmt on this one. When I first started planning my trip for disney I had been told that disney is really great for people with disabilities but it seems the more research I do the more things I find that make me worry. I have no interest in a card to cut lines, I like the lines because there's often a narrative in the props and stuff around, like the gravestones at HM or the line for Everest that goes through that travel company office. But I have been told that Disney doesn't like dogs in the line, so we will probably be getting one of those cards and told to come back later or rushed into a w/c line that doesn't have the same experience. This to me is not acceptable, because I am not being treated as the general public and I am being separated because of the dog. But I don't know, I've never been with a dog before and could be wrong.

I do hope the crates at the ride really are "safe and secure". If they're not, the only option is to split up with my mother. Since it's just a trip with the two of us, that would be really disheartening. It should not be assumed by Disney or anyone else that a person who is blind or with any other impairment that they will have another person with them to aid them. That defeats the purpose of the few accommodations they have. The whole point of having the dog is not having to rely on the kindness of strangers. If you then can't rely on the dog because of the nature of the park, what do you do.
 
Disney (and any other park) isn't saying "you're blind, you're not welcome in our lines with your dog". They reason they bring you through an alternate entrance is so that you don't have to deal with the "unwashed masses" that would distract/annoy your SD or you. I know that most of you are used to answering questions, but think about it. You'd be crammed in a line with how many hundreds of people for who knows how long. Would you really want to spend your entire time in the line telling people to stop touching/distracting your SD? They're doing it to make it easier for you.

As for wheelchairs in lines, initially queues weren't accessible for wheelchairs, which necessitated the alternate entrances. For example, the old Kongfrontation ride had stairs in the queue, which a chair could not get past, so an elevator was installed. Once ECVs became available, they used the elevator, too, because again the queues weren't designed for their large turning radius. Many times I had to chase people into the queue at Earthquake because an ECV either snuck past me while I was helping someone else or the driver and their party didn't speak English and couldn't understand I was trying to stop them, and they'd get the ECV wedged in the line and unable to move it, which then blocked up the entire line. As rides are being refurbished or replaced, the queues are becoming more wheelchair friendly, which means more chairs can go through the queues and be treated like a "normal" guest.

When we go in April we will have 2 visually impaired people in our group, one using an SD, the other using a cane. I will ask at each and every ride that we go on if they have a kennel available and if not if one could be obtained, and if possible have them show me where the kennel would be set up and the SD would be kept. I'll even take pictures if I can. The problem may simply be that Disney's definition of "secure" is different than your definition of "secure".

On a side note, I read the case file (or whatever it is called) and have some comments. I am by no means a lawyer or profess any level of legal knowledge, so if I've misunderstood something, please let me know.

I see some flaws in the class action lawsuit logic. First is their estimate of how many visually impaired people visit the parks and would be affected by the lack of accommodations for service dogs. To quote the case file:
The estimate of 25.1 million visually impaired persons is based on a 2008 National Health Interview Survey conducted by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”) that includes respondents who “have any trouble seeing, even when wearing glasses or contact lenses” as well as those who are “blind or unable to see at all.” (Mot., Ex. L at 37.)

This leads to the next faulty jump in logic:
Plaintiffs estimate that there are currently 60 million Americans claiming to have a long-term disability. Plaintiffs thus estimate that 41% of disabled persons (25.1 million out of 60 million) are visually impaired.

Just because I claim to have a long-term disability doesn't mean I actually have one. Also, the number of people that visit the parks with a service animal is not necessarily equal to the percentage of the population that uses one. In the 5 years I worked at Universal, I saw maybe a dozen service dogs in the parks. I know I don't see every person that comes in through the gate every day, but if you figure I was there for 40+ hours a week, I would see most of them, so the actual number won't be far off.

This is the specific kennel information from the lawsuit:

d. Kennel Class
[12] The proposed kennel class members are persons who
either have paid a kennel fee or have been deterred from
visiting a Disney park because of (1) the kennel fee for
service animals; (2) a lack of reasonable designated area
for service animals to defecate; or (3) Defendants’ alleged
policy forbidding service animals from being tied to any
locations within the theme parks while the visually
impaired owners use park rides. Plaintiffs seek to compel
Defendants to “provide reasonable accommodations for
service animals, designated places to defecate within
Disney theme parks, hotels, restaurants, and shops ..., and
places where the service animal can be tied ... while the
visually impaired person uses rides.” (Compl. at 37.)
Plaintiffs further request that the Court “make a
determination as to the propriety of the fees [Defendants]
charge visually impaired visitors at Disney theme parks ...
for accommodations and auxiliary aids and services
including kennels.” (Id. at 38.)

There is no evidence that Plaintiffs’ allegations about the
kennel fee are shared by sufficiently numerous visually
impaired individuals so as to make joinder impracticable.
Among visitor complaints made to Defendants between
May 1, 2005 and December 9, 2010, only one (other than
a complaint made by Plaintiff Shields) addresses the
propriety of the kennel fee. (See Cohen Decl., Ex. 29 at
585 (“[A] fifteen-dollar fee gets the dog a cage to lie
down in while we’re in the park enjoying ourselves ....
[T]here are no discounts either for service animals or for
annual passport holders. This strikes us as somewhat
inflexible ....”).)

Similarly, Plaintiffs’ allegations with respect to
Defendants’ alleged tying policy—i.e., forbidding service
animals from being tied to any locations within the theme
parks while visually impaired owners use park rides—are
also not shared by enough other persons as to warrant
certification of the proposed kennel class. No patron
complaint directly mentions such a policy or requests the
ability to tie a service animal to a location near a ride. Nor
are visually impaired patrons likely to have such a
grievance—the ADA regulations specifically prohibit the
practice of leaving a service animal unattended. See 28
C.F.R. § 36.302(c)(4) (“A service animal shall be under
the control of its handler.”). In this respect, the merits of
Plaintiffs’ claim overlap with their Rule 23’s
requirements of numerosity and typicality.

Complaints from several Disney park-goers bemoan the
inconvenience of the kennel’s location at the park
entrance and some suggest providing kennel or cage areas
near individual rides (as is apparently the practice at some
parks). (See Cohen Decl., Ex. 29 at 549, 578, 584–85,
587, 593.) While these complaints may arise from the
same general *548 grievance underlying Plaintiffs’ goal
of modifying Defendants’ alleged tie-up policy—that the
visually impaired need a place to leave their service
animals so that they may enjoy certain rides that prohibit
service animals—Plaintiffs’ claim and the park-goer
complaints are substantively different. Even if the Court
were to reformulate Plaintiffs’ proposed class definition
sua sponte to include all visually impaired individuals
needing to temporarily secure their service animals at
rides, such a proposed class would not be entitled to
relief. “A public accommodation is not responsible for the
care or supervision of a service animal.” 28 C.F.R. §
36.302(c)(5).

[13] The final component of Plaintiffs’ proposed kennel
class is visually impaired individuals who have been
deterred from visiting a Disney park due to a lack of
reasonable designated areas for service animals to
defecate. It appears that other visually impaired
individuals share Plaintiffs’ concern. Several complaints
express concern that Disney parks do not provide
acceptable locations for their service animals to defecate.
(See Cohen Decl., Ex. 29 at 549, 579–80, 581.)

Accordingly, the Court finds that certification of the
proposed Kennel Class is appropriate. Modification of the
proposed class definition will be necessary, however, to
ensure that it meets both numerosity and typicality
requirements. Thus, the Court excludes from certification
Plaintiffs’ proposed definitions involving the kennel fees
and the alleged policy prohibiting animals from being
tied-up near rides.

Shields v Disney
 
You are twisting my words. You flip between which kennels. I'm saying that there's no reason Disney should provide a BOARDING KENNEL service for free, I've said nothing about the HOLDING KENNELS that are supposedly available at the rides. I said nothing about accessible lines, only about DAS are two different things.

Also how dare you accuse me of saying blind people don't deserve the same respect. I grew up around it, I lived around it, being around someone that was an active dog user was my every day life. No its not the same as having the disability but to imply that I have no idea what I'm talking about it wrong.
 
You are twisting my words. You flip between which kennels. I'm saying that there's no reason Disney should provide a BOARDING KENNEL service for free, I've said nothing about the HOLDING KENNELS that are supposedly available at the rides. I said nothing about accessible lines, only about DAS are two different things.

Also how dare you accuse me of saying blind people don't deserve the same respect. I grew up around it, I lived around it, being around someone that was an active dog user was my every day life. No its not the same as having the disability but to imply that I have no idea what I'm talking about it wrong.

Who was this response directed towards?
 
Disney (and any other park) isn't saying "you're blind, you're not welcome in our lines with your dog". They reason they bring you through an alternate entrance is so that you don't have to deal with the "unwashed masses" that would distract/annoy your SD or you. I know that most of you are used to answering questions, but think about it. You'd be crammed in a line with how many hundreds of people for who knows how long. Would you really want to spend your entire time in the line telling people to stop touching/distracting your SD? They're doing it to make it easier for you.

That would be fine, I'm all for extra help, but only if I have the choice to remain in the line if I want. It has to be my choice, otherwise it does fall into the discrimination zone. They can't force me out of the line and say they're helping me if I don't want that help. I get plenty of the unwashed masses at rush hour in the city subway ;) So it's can't be their call to make. I'd rather get the chance to stand there and educate than be whisked away because we're too unique for other people to handle. Just like you can't force a disabled person to use disabled seating in a theater, train, etc.
Yet again I say, I haven't been there. Maybe if I tell them no, I'd like to wait in line they'll have no trouble with it. I dunno.
 
I am with Gilesmt on this one. When I first started planning my trip for disney I had been told that disney is really great for people with disabilities but it seems the more research I do the more things I find that make me worry. I have no interest in a card to cut lines, I like the lines because there's often a narrative in the props and stuff around, like the gravestones at HM or the line for Everest that goes through that travel company office. But I have been told that Disney doesn't like dogs in the line, so we will probably be getting one of those cards and told to come back later or rushed into a w/c line that doesn't have the same experience. This to me is not acceptable, because I am not being treated as the general public and I am being separated because of the dog. But I don't know, I've never been with a dog before and could be wrong.

I do hope the crates at the ride really are "safe and secure". If they're not, the only option is to split up with my mother. Since it's just a trip with the two of us, that would be really disheartening. It should not be assumed by Disney or anyone else that a person who is blind or with any other impairment that they will have another person with them to aid them. That defeats the purpose of the few accommodations they have. The whole point of having the dog is not having to rely on the kindness of strangers. If you then can't rely on the dog because of the nature of the park, what do you do.

I am not sure if it is Disney that don't like dogs as much as it is wdw does not like dogs. I have many trips with my dog to dlr, very little problems. They accommodate in the room, never questioned it. They helped me with my trekker. They oriented me to my room. They gave me straight line room access. They have kennels right at the gate. They allow dogs in the lines early in day before large crowds if you insist.with DAS they would most likely give it.

Wdw a totally different story, all three times I have gone the dog spends most of the time off property. First you will have difficult getting a cab, taxi or shuttle, town car with a dog, you will be told no by a number of them, can't mention names since many of them have been kicked off this site. Second good luck with reservations, they won't question the dog at the moment when you book but they will question it every other time, or tell you dogs are not allowed, and you will have to explain it is a guide dog, but even then you will be told no dogs allowed, you then have to call it a service dog, like w/c people do, because they only accommodate them so they know what a service dog is but not a guide dog. The. They will ask you why you can't rely on your family to orientate you to the room, or to get to the room, or to tell you the lay out of the grounds. Then the bus people will not allow you on the bus first, no w/c people go first, they get the front of the bus and you will have to rely on your family to help you thru the w/c people and into the back of the bus. Then the rides, you can not go on any rides that don't allow dogs, you won't get a DAS card, you will not get front seating even if you ask I have been told many times it is for the actors safety in shows why a blind person can not have front row, either the cane will cause the actors to fall or the dog will. The last two trips I had family off site to watch the dog and used her only at night and relied on family during the day, but there was 6 of us. The trip before that I did bring my dog but it was only four days and a different dog and still there was four of us. The last three trips where 10+ days.

Even on this site, all about disabilities, have to tried to find anything on blindness, the only small thing they have comes from Disney main web page. Tried to find something on service dogs, there use to be something but I can not find it. But they have pages and pages on w/c, not even for Disney but for other parks and attractions. They have the room accommodations, down to the size, shape and locations. They have the bathrooms and showers. They have cars in rides that will take the whole w/c. They have all accessible lines. But no where will it tell me what resturaunts have large print menus, which by the way, most do not, if you ask for one the CM will start reading the menu to you. No where on this site will it tell me how to get my room instructions in Braille, like how to make a call, or how to work the safe, oh yah that is because Disney does not think blind should be accommodated, they should have family, they can help them read it. If you are lucky enough you may find guest relations after you enter the park and walk a bit, if you do you might stubble upon a map that has Braille, but someone must have forgotten to tell Disney that only 5% of blind people read Braille, so a different format should be used. The one thing blind do get, and 95% of blind can not use it. Oh and they have raised numbers on the hotel doors for you, that is a real plus to a blind person, they can go door to door touching the doors to read the numbers by hand, there is only 2000 plus rooms at each resort.

Yes I think Disney deserves another reward for all the wonderful reasonable accommodations they give...to w/c persons. And I don't begrudge w/c people at all, my dd was in and out of a w/c for years with cp. I just want Disney to follow the intent of the settlement that gave me the right to have just as much enjoyment from there park as a "normal" or w/c person does.
 
That would be fine, I'm all for extra help, but only if I have the choice to remain in the line if I want. It has to be my choice, otherwise it does fall into the discrimination zone. They can't force me out of the line and say they're helping me if I don't want that help. I get plenty of the unwashed masses at rush hour in the city subway ;) So it's can't be their call to make. I'd rather get the chance to stand there and educate than be whisked away because we're too unique for other people to handle. Just like you can't force a disabled person to use disabled seating in a theater, train, etc.
Yet again I say, I haven't been there. Maybe if I tell them no, I'd like to wait in line they'll have no trouble with it. I dunno.

I'll add that to my "list o stuff to ask" when we visit, if you'd like. For all the effort the parks put into the theming in the queues, 99% of it seems to bypass people completely. Ask people coming off of RnR what the building they were in was and they'll say "Rock n Rollercoaster" or "the Aerosmith coaster" instead of "G-Force Records" ... or even *WHY* we're whisked off by the fancy-schmancy "limo". Or ask someone why the Hulk coaster launches, and they don't know that it's because of Bruce Banner trying to reverse the gamma radiation and a problem happens, and we have to be evacuated from the building. To encounter someone that actually understands there's a story behind these rides is refreshing :)

The other reason I could see not allowing an SD in the queue is it could cause a problem if there is an evacuation, which is the same reason they don't allow strollers (aside from w/c as stroller tagged ones) into queues. Again, not saying it's necessarily right, but I could see how people tripping over a dog could cause a problem. Yes, small children could cause the same issue, but children would generally be able to be picked up, while you probably wouldn't be able to carry your SD out of the line. Although depending on the size of you and the size of your SD, it might be entertaining to watch. :rotfl2:
 
Disney (and any other park) isn't saying "you're blind, you're not welcome in our lines with your dog". They reason they bring you through an alternate entrance is so that you don't have to deal with the "unwashed masses" that would distract/annoy your SD or you. I know that most of you are used to answering questions, but think about it. You'd be crammed in a line with how many hundreds of people for who knows how long. Would you really want to spend your entire time in the line telling people to stop touching/distracting your SD? They're doing it to make it easier for you.

As for wheelchairs in lines, initially queues weren't accessible for wheelchairs, which necessitated the alternate entrances. For example, the old Kongfrontation ride had stairs in the queue, which a chair could not get past, so an elevator was installed. Once ECVs became available, they used the elevator, too, because again the queues weren't designed for their large turning radius. Many times I had to chase people into the queue at Earthquake because an ECV either snuck past me while I was helping someone else or the driver and their party didn't speak English and couldn't understand I was trying to stop them, and they'd get the ECV wedged in the line and unable to move it, which then blocked up the entire line. As rides are being refurbished or replaced, the queues are becoming more wheelchair friendly, which means more chairs can go through the queues and be treated like a "normal" guest.

When we go in April we will have 2 visually impaired people in our group, one using an SD, the other using a cane. I will ask at each and every ride that we go on if they have a kennel available and if not if one could be obtained, and if possible have them show me where the kennel would be set up and the SD would be kept. I'll even take pictures if I can. The problem may simply be that Disney's definition of "secure" is different than your definition of "secure".

On a side note, I read the case file (or whatever it is called) and have some comments. I am by no means a lawyer or profess any level of legal knowledge, so if I've misunderstood something, please let me know.

I see some flaws in the class action lawsuit logic. First is their estimate of how many visually impaired people visit the parks and would be affected by the lack of accommodations for service dogs. To quote the case file:


This leads to the next faulty jump in logic:


Just because I claim to have a long-term disability doesn't mean I actually have one. Also, the number of people that visit the parks with a service animal is not necessarily equal to the percentage of the population that uses one. In the 5 years I worked at Universal, I saw maybe a dozen service dogs in the parks. I know I don't see every person that comes in through the gate every day, but if you figure I was there for 40+ hours a week, I would see most of them, so the actual number won't be far off.

This is the specific kennel information from the lawsuit:

d. Kennel Class
[12] The proposed kennel class members are persons who
either have paid a kennel fee or have been deterred from
visiting a Disney park because of (1) the kennel fee for
service animals; (2) a lack of reasonable designated area
for service animals to defecate; or (3) Defendants’ alleged
policy forbidding service animals from being tied to any
locations within the theme parks while the visually
impaired owners use park rides. Plaintiffs seek to compel
Defendants to “provide reasonable accommodations for
service animals, designated places to defecate within
Disney theme parks, hotels, restaurants, and shops ..., and
places where the service animal can be tied ... while the
visually impaired person uses rides.” (Compl. at 37.)
Plaintiffs further request that the Court “make a
determination as to the propriety of the fees [Defendants]
charge visually impaired visitors at Disney theme parks ...
for accommodations and auxiliary aids and services
including kennels.” (Id. at 38.)

There is no evidence that Plaintiffs’ allegations about the
kennel fee are shared by sufficiently numerous visually
impaired individuals so as to make joinder impracticable.
Among visitor complaints made to Defendants between
May 1, 2005 and December 9, 2010, only one (other than
a complaint made by Plaintiff Shields) addresses the
propriety of the kennel fee. (See Cohen Decl., Ex. 29 at
585 (“[A] fifteen-dollar fee gets the dog a cage to lie
down in while we’re in the park enjoying ourselves ....
[T]here are no discounts either for service animals or for
annual passport holders. This strikes us as somewhat
inflexible ....”).)

Similarly, Plaintiffs’ allegations with respect to
Defendants’ alleged tying policy—i.e., forbidding service
animals from being tied to any locations within the theme
parks while visually impaired owners use park rides—are
also not shared by enough other persons as to warrant
certification of the proposed kennel class. No patron
complaint directly mentions such a policy or requests the
ability to tie a service animal to a location near a ride. Nor
are visually impaired patrons likely to have such a
grievance—the ADA regulations specifically prohibit the
practice of leaving a service animal unattended. See 28
C.F.R. § 36.302(c)(4) (“A service animal shall be under
the control of its handler.”). In this respect, the merits of
Plaintiffs’ claim overlap with their Rule 23’s
requirements of numerosity and typicality.

Complaints from several Disney park-goers bemoan the
inconvenience of the kennel’s location at the park
entrance and some suggest providing kennel or cage areas
near individual rides (as is apparently the practice at some
parks). (See Cohen Decl., Ex. 29 at 549, 578, 584–85,
587, 593.) While these complaints may arise from the
same general *548 grievance underlying Plaintiffs’ goal
of modifying Defendants’ alleged tie-up policy—that the
visually impaired need a place to leave their service
animals so that they may enjoy certain rides that prohibit
service animals—Plaintiffs’ claim and the park-goer
complaints are substantively different. Even if the Court
were to reformulate Plaintiffs’ proposed class definition
sua sponte to include all visually impaired individuals
needing to temporarily secure their service animals at
rides, such a proposed class would not be entitled to
relief. “A public accommodation is not responsible for the
care or supervision of a service animal.” 28 C.F.R. §
36.302(c)(5).

[13] The final component of Plaintiffs’ proposed kennel
class is visually impaired individuals who have been
deterred from visiting a Disney park due to a lack of
reasonable designated areas for service animals to
defecate. It appears that other visually impaired
individuals share Plaintiffs’ concern. Several complaints
express concern that Disney parks do not provide
acceptable locations for their service animals to defecate.
(See Cohen Decl., Ex. 29 at 549, 579–80, 581.)

Accordingly, the Court finds that certification of the
proposed Kennel Class is appropriate. Modification of the
proposed class definition will be necessary, however, to
ensure that it meets both numerosity and typicality
requirements. Thus, the Court excludes from certification
Plaintiffs’ proposed definitions involving the kennel fees
and the alleged policy prohibiting animals from being
tied-up near rides.

Shields v Disney

That is all fine but you are missing one key component. A service dog at work needs to be in the handlers control. When I take off my dogs harness my dog is just like any other dog on earth. If I was to put my dog in a kennel, I would remove the harness, then may dog is allowed to be in a secured kennel and not under my control, and that is what would happen if Disney followed the intent.

I will agree that there are huge flaws in the suit, especially when it came to asking others questions, or even how much these people could see.
 
How does being blind have anything to do with waiting in a line?

You can still get to the boarding kennels, its just not a free service provided by Disney nor should it be. The boarding kennels aren't free for service animals so I can't figure out why they should be obligated to provide transportation to them when you can easily take a cab. While I agree that dogs need a break and some users want a day in the park without their dog, that's not Disney's problem to deal with.

You don't call your first sentence in this quote a direct attack that you don't understand blindness, than what would you call it. And I have not twisted your words. You are stating I can still use the kennels just I have to pay for a cab and the kennels. I say if Disney provided kennels at the gate of the parks that would be okay, if Disney allowed me to ride rides with a kennel right at the ride that would be okay. If Disney wants to charge me for a kennel to give my dog respite that is okay. But that is not at all what is happening, Disney is stating that I have two chooses, leave my $40000 dog unsupervised, or leave her with a family member and ride alone without someone telling me what is happening and narrating for me. Or leave it in the kennel across the property for hours and hours because it is inconvenient to get to and expensive, because we will not accommodate you.

And if you don't think your insensitive to the matter, you also said that anyone who would leave a dog in the kennels by the ride is stressing the dog out and basically does not care about there dog.

So I am not reading anything wrong, and if you have grown up with blindness you have become detached to there needs, or complient only to the needs of the one you know and not all. Because all of these comments have been insensitive when asking a question that still has not been answered, what is disneys policy now on the kennels at the rides. The question itself had nothing to do with why a blind person can not stand in line, or stressing a true service animal out like you claim yours get stressed out, or the kennels at the best friends. Because of your own comments and your own words, yes they are insensitive and yes you are not showing respect to those with the disability of blindness, again you first sentence shows that and your statement that true service animals would be stressed out and why would anyone want to use them, was only your opinion not truth.
 
OK, I'm about to ask a stupid question, but when I explain why you'll see why I didn't initially think of it.

Are there not kennels right outside the entrance to each park? I know there's a daycare/boarding/dog park kennel facility on property, but I thought each park had a minimal one outside. The reason I didn't think about them not having one is Universal and Busch Gardens each have one in the parking garage, and Sea World has one right outside the front gate. They're nothing fancy, basically a cage about 2x4 feet with a raised floor and an attendant that checks you in but isn't allowed to do anything with the animals. You have to go out every few hours to walk and/or feed your dog, and they were only allowed to have water in their cages.

If a facility like this isn't available at Disney, then the lawsuit about kennels (and your concern about them, Giles) makes more sense.
 
No there are no kennels outside each park anymore at wdw, there is at dlr. Sometime about 8 years ago he ones outside the parks where removed and the only kennel now is best friends, it is over by POR, but you can not walk to it from POR you have to take a car, so blind would have no choice but a taxi. So you pay $32 to board a dog, as well as not be able to use the dog as a guide, and then you pay a taxi to and from and from some places that can cost a lot. WE Used taxis a couple of times from SoG to dtd and it cost $20, so in total you could be talking $40 a day in taxi fees and $32 in kennel fees for a dog I would rather have with me but Disney refuses to accommodate. My solution never go Disney again, go us or bg or SW.
 
What you see as insensitive is called realism. Again, its your choice to go to Disney, it is your choice to bring the dog. It is not their responsibility to provide a full day of care for free because you don't opt to bring the dog in the park. Providing a cage kennel at a ride is a totally separate issue. Even then, no one is making you use it and no one is telling you that you can't go on the ride. You just can't go on the ride the way you seem to think is the "right" way with family. Everyone with a disability has to make a concession at some point and this is one of them. They don't turn off all the noises on rides that might bother an autistic child, they don't turn off strobe lights, there isn't a gentler ride on a roller coaster for someone with back issues.

I brought up the stress issue of a cage type kennel because of what I experienced. Last time I checked, sharing an experience was what these boards were about and I never said every dog would react this way. You accused our dogs of being poorly trained and in your last post now feel like you alone define what a true service animal is. You brought up that blind people don't get a DAS, not me, I only said that blindness in and of itself doesn't prevent you from waiting in a line. You have attacked me from the beginning.

Perhaps you're too involved in your own situation to figure it out.
 
What you see as insensitive is called realism. Again, its your choice to go to Disney, it is your choice to bring the dog. It is not their responsibility to provide a full day of care for free because you don't opt to bring the dog in the park. Providing a cage kennel at a ride is a totally separate issue. Even then, no one is making you use it and no one is telling you that you can't go on the ride. You just can't go on the ride the way you seem to think is the "right" way with family. Everyone with a disability has to make a concession at some point and this is one of them. They don't turn off all the noises on rides that might bother an autistic child, they don't turn off strobe lights, there isn't a gentler ride on a roller coaster for someone with back issues.

I brought up the stress issue of a cage type kennel because of what I experienced. Last time I checked, sharing an experience was what these boards were about and I never said every dog would react this way. You accused our dogs of being poorly trained and in your last post now feel like you alone define what a true service animal is. You brought up that blind people don't get a DAS, not me, I only said that blindness in and of itself doesn't prevent you from waiting in a line. You have attacked me from the beginning.

Perhaps you're too involved in your own situation to figure it out.

I have a belief that most people have an ability to read and will be able to see all of your attacks for what they are.

According to your philosophy, why do you ask for accommodations. It is your choice to go to Disney. It is your choice to stay N There hotels so why do you not leave your w/c at home, not use it, why do you not take a bath or shower, why should Disney provide you with the ability to use a shower when there.

Your philosophy is to attack anyone but those like you, even this board, there is page after page after page on w/c accommodations. And then there are people like you, I ask an intelligent question and you attack me over and over because after all the only one who needs accommodations according to you is those in w/c's.

I can not say it any clearer than this.. I have no problem using and paying for the kennels at best friend as long as it is my choice. But it is not. Disney is saying to me, your family can help you in line. Your family can help you with your room. YOur family can help you get around. You can use your dog but if you choose to use your dog, than your family of one who we are telling you has to be with you and help you and be your eyes, can not ride with you they have to sit out with your dog and you can ride alone. That is totally different than what you are saying and attacking me about. I hope others have the ability to read and they will see I continue to say I don't mind paying. I don't mind taken or leaving my dog. But I don't like Disney to get it both ways. Tell me my family has to do it all, but the. Say we have to go on the ride seperate since they can not accommodate. And I hope others understand althoughh I know it is to much to ask for you to, that by asking the way you did attacked again, and if I am so wrong than why do w/c get to shower, or bath or get a bigger room. It is call reasonable accommodations not special, nothing I ask for is special, it gives me an equal experience not a special experience. But since you get special, just that fact that you are allowed to bring uncontrolled dogs tells me you get special treatment, and yes your statements told me your dogs are stressed, your dogs go bat wild in public and are uncontrollable, that is special treatment, I am asking for equal because my dog follows ADA and is in the handlers control at all times.
 
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