Inability to sit for long periods

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My husband and I are seasoned Disney travellers but will be travelling with my parents for the first time next year. My mum has a problem with her back which means she can't sit for long periods (walking, standing, kneeling and lying are all doable). 20/25 minutes is ok but then she starts to get really uncomfortable without a stand break.

Are there any shows that it's possible to stand at the back for? Do you have any other suggestions as to how best we can make the trip as comfortable as possible for her?

Thank you :)
 
Do not do the disnasoure ride at EPCOT.

I woul Talmud to the CM and let them know some show may allow this and some may not
 
Not sure about standing room for shows, but you will definitely want to skip Ellen's Energy Adventure at Epcot. It is a 45 minute ride, all sitting. I assume your mum has spoken to her doctor about some things that might alleviate the pain (inflatable cushion, for example).
Festival of the Lion King is going to be a problem too, as their is no way to stand in seating area. Flights of Wonder at AK might be do-able, but sit to the side of the theatre, or in the first row of the back bleachers.
 
Do not do the disnasoure ride at EPCOT.

I woul Talmud to the CM and let them know some show may allow this and some may not

Funnily enough that ride was the first "absolute no" that my husband and I came up with when discussing it too! The idea about talking to cast members is a good one. We'll be making a trip between now and when my parents join us so I might make a point of asking at each show so that we can get a clearer idea ahead of the trip.

Not sure about standing room for shows, but you will definitely want to skip Ellen's Energy Adventure at Epcot. It is a 45 minute ride, all sitting. I assume your mum has spoken to her doctor about some things that might alleviate the pain (inflatable cushion, for example).
Festival of the Lion King is going to be a problem too, as their is no way to stand in seating area. Flights of Wonder at AK might be do-able, but sit to the side of the theatre, or in the first row of the back bleachers.

She'll be bringing a cushion with her - she has a selection :) I know she'll love FOTLK so we may try and time it for a good day and be in amongst the last group to enter the theatre - this is definitely a trip that we'll need to be flexible for.
 

This is going to sound crazy, but if she took along a Rollator, she would have her own "seat" (since it's a walker with a built in seat, and typically a basket underneath where she could store a gel cushion) In some of the shows/attractions, it's possible to sit on the Rollator, and several of them have space at the back where ECVs and wheelchairs park (thinking of the theaters like American Adventure at Epcot, or Philharmagic) where she could sit or stand as needed.

For shows like Monsters Inc in MK, if you are in the HA line, you will be funneled directly down front - so you would want to try for regular seating there, so you could be in the back row. Same with Country Bears Jamboree.

The nice thing about the Rollator is, they can typically be easily folded, are lightweight, and relatively inexpensive. It's just a thought - I know you said she doesn't need assistance walking, but remember that it's very easy to walk more than twice your normal amount (the *average* visitor walks between 5 & 10 miles per day!) at WDW.

Definitely use @gap2368's advice, and consult with a CM at each attraction.

I hope y'all have a lovely trip! :)
 
Agree with mamabunny. I used a rollator and it was great! I too have back problems. I usually could sit long enough for shows in the regular seats tough. I can't stand for hours on end so having the seatbelt was nice - especially for parades. I can never sit unsupported on the ground or a bench without no back so it was useful in those cases. i sat on it for FANTASMIC which was great
 
This is going to sound crazy, but if she took along a Rollator, she would have her own "seat" (since it's a walker with a built in seat, and typically a basket underneath where she could store a gel cushion) In some of the shows/attractions, it's possible to sit on the Rollator, and several of them have space at the back where ECVs and wheelchairs park (thinking of the theaters like American Adventure at Epcot, or Philharmagic) where she could sit or stand as needed.

Agree with mamabunny. I used a rollator and it was great! I too have back problems. I usually could sit long enough for shows in the regular seats tough. I can't stand for hours on end so having the seatbelt was nice - especially for parades. I can never sit unsupported on the ground or a bench without no back so it was useful in those cases. i sat on it for FANTASMIC which was great

Thanks both, I'll suggest it to her and see what she thinks.
 
Definitely check with CMs. There are a couple of shows (Nemo at AK comes to mind) where the performers are in the aisles during the show. CMs will be able to direct you so you aren't in the way of the performers.
 
My husband and I are seasoned Disney travellers but will be travelling with my parents for the first time next year. My mum has a problem with her back which means she can't sit for long periods (walking, standing, kneeling and lying are all doable). 20/25 minutes is ok but then she starts to get really uncomfortable without a stand break.

Are there any shows that it's possible to stand at the back for? Do you have any other suggestions as to how best we can make the trip as comfortable as possible for her?

Thank you :)
She walks just fine so getting special seating is the problem. If she had a wheelchair they would have a special spot for her, but a wheelchair means sitting and (after 20 minutes or so) that's the part that causes her grief. So ... How about a wheelchair she kneels in? I'll link two designs I found, one's concept and the other is in development but if these two groups are designing them perhaps there are some ready made solutions for this.

A kneel posture mobility chair would be the easiest thing though. If I were building one with this specific person in mind it would be light enough that it can be folded down and packed into a backpack and then brought out for times when special mobility needs present themselves. If you can't find a ready made product, I can probably find you a maker near enough to you to hire it made local. I tour Maker fairs all over the country and have contacts with professional and amateur tinkers and engineers all over.

That's if she normally walks. If she normally uses a powered mobility aid, there are some that position the rider in a standing position. Some will transition the rider from seated to standing as the needs 'arise' (pun intended).

Good luck.
ETA those links...
http://www.universaldesignstyle.com/seiza-wheelchair-concept/
https://sites.nd.edu/social-design/industrial-design-projects/revolution-wheelchair/
 
This is a post from the disABILITIES FAQs thread regarding where the accessible seating is for shows.
For the ones with accessible seating in the back, ask a CM if you can stand OR where to stand if you need to during a show. In some cases, there is 'overflow' seating behind the accessible seating, so you would not be able to.

All theaters have spots designated for mobility devices (wheelchair, ECV, rollator, stroller as wheelchair ). Usually this will be a 'parking spot' with a chair/seat next to it for a companion. There may be only one companion seat per mobility device; the rest of your party may sit in the next row or anywhere in the theater.
Guests using strollers as wheelchairs may need to switch to a theater seat (or parent's lap) to be high enough to see.
Loading/entrance is almost always from a waiting or preshow area on one side of the theater. Unloading/exit is almost always across the theater on the side opposite from the entrance.

Some shows have separate waiting areas so that CMs can get a count and don't send more guests with mobility devices into the theater than there are spots for them. Your whole party can wait together. In most cases, you will wait in the regular line (or Fastpass Plus line if you have Fastpass) and then be separated out if needed.
Those guests are sometimes brought into the theater 30-90 seconds before the other guests; this allows the CMs to get them into to their spots before the rest of the guests come in as a large group.
Guests with mobility devices will be sent to those waiting areas without needing DAS. Guests without a mobility device would need to explain their needs to a CM at the attraction.

Transferring to a theater seat:
  • if there is only one companion seat per wheelchair spot, you may not be able to transfer and have a companion sit next to you. If you plan to transfer, you may want to be on the end of a row; the mobility device can be left in the spot and you can sit in the row ahead.
  • some children may sit too low in the stroller or wheelchair to see over the other guests; the child can sit on an adult's lap while the stroller/wheelchair is parked in the wheelchair spot.
  • parking the mobility device and sitting in a seat closer to the front is sometimes possible. Availability depends on how steeply ramped the floor is and whether a wheelchair is able to be parked outside of the emergency exit path.
    In some theaters, it is not possible, for those reasons (theater does not meet ADA requirements for accessible slope or wheelchair egress).
    Parking on the exit side of rows is usually not allowed because it blocks exit from those rows for other guests (potentially blocks exit from 2 rows).
    Parking may be allowed on the loading side, but guests will need to take their mobility device to either the very front or very rear to exit.
These attractions have accessible seating only in the back of the theater:
  • Hall of Presidents at MK You may be able to park in the rear and walk to the front. Ask the CM at the entrance and the one seating guests with special needs.
  • Mickey's Philharmagic at MK The mobility seating is in the rear, but the theater is small, so you are not that far from the screen. Sitting farther back allows view of a wider field of the screen than sitting in front.
  • Stitch's Great Escape at MK The theater is not that deep. There are spaces for mobility devices to park in the rear, which is the top row of the round theater. All other seats are down short, narrow flights of a few steps. Much of the action takes place in the dark and the view from the back row may not be much different than closer to the front. The theater is dark, so walking around to get a spot would be difficult.
  • American Adventure at Epcot The seating is in the rear and there is a very steeply sloped floor from the rear to the front. CMs are likely to NOT let you park and walk to the front because of the slope. You could ask the CM who is seating guests with special needs, but expect to be told no. When Epcot first opened, they did allow this, but because of the steep slope, I have been told they are no longer allowed to.
  • Impressions de France at Epcot The accessible seating is in the back row and there are not that many spots. The theater in general is not that large. You may be able to park at the rear and walk down toward the front or park your wheelchair on the aisle toward the front. Ask the CM, but again, you are likely to be told no because of the slope of the floor. The screen is around you to about 180 degrees. As you go down further to the front, you will see less of what goes on to the sides, so back is actually better for most people. We have had issues with general guests sitting in the wheelchair area in this show many times when we've gone. The FRENCH CMs have not been particularly helpful in these situations.
  • Imagination Theater at Epcot The preshow area has a raised viewing area for guests with mobility devices. This leads to the mobility seating in the rear of the theater. Inside the theater, the path is blocked, which prevents guests from moving to/from those last rows.
  • Circle of Life at Epcot The seating for guests with mobility devices is at the back of the theater. Going down any further involves going down steps to be seated and up steps to leave the show.
  • Ellen's Energy Adventure at Epcot The mobility seating is in the back of the rear theater car. You can ask the CM if you can park the mobility device and then you would be able to walk in and sit in any row.
    Guests using strollers as wheelchairs would generally park them because the wheelchair space is small and the sides of the car would be too high to see over.
    Your mobility device will be waiting where you unload.
  • Muppets 3D at Hollywood Studio Guests with mobility devices enter along with the other guests, so it would be difficult to park a mobility device at the rear and then walk further to the front. As guests from one show are leaving, guests for the next show are starting to arrive, so you need to be quick getting back to your mobility device.
  • Voyage of the Little Mermaid at Hollywood Studio Similar in how it loads to the theater to Muppets 3D. The waiting area is dim and busy. Guests with mobility devices are advised to follow the black floor line and stay near the wall on the left. It is dark and tight inside the theater, so staying in the mobility device is best. Parking a mobility device may interfere with access to exits because of small space.
  • Walt Disney: One Man's Dream at Hollywood Studio There is an optional movie at the end of the walk thru exhibition. Mobility device setting is the back row. It may be possible to park on the end of a row closer to the front and transfer to a seat if you park on the entrance side.
  • Movies at Star Wars Showcase at the Studio. There is a movie at the start with seating in the rear
These attractions have accessible seating in the front for all guests with mobility devices. No need for a DAS with a mobility device because that is where you would go anyway:
  • Country Bear Jamboree at MK - There is a ramp to the front row and all guests with mobility devices sit in the front. The stage is slightly above head height, so guests with mobility devices may have to crane their necks to see.
  • Tiki Birds at MK The theater is in a round room, with benches arranged around a small center show area. The mobility seating is in the front row. The show characters will be in front of, above, to the sides and behind guests. Most are in front and directly above.
  • Carousel of Progress at MK The mobility seating is at the end and spaces in the middle of rows at the front of the theater.
  • Laugh Floor at MK The mobility seating is in the front several rows. Guests with mobility devices enter about 30 seconds before the rest of the guests. A CM will direct you to a specific spot to park in, depending on how many guests are in your party.
  • Enchanted Tales with Belle The theater is very small, only about 5 rows of benches. Mobility seating is in the second row with benches designated for companion seating next to mobility spot.
  • Turtle Talk at Epcot The mobility seating is at the ends of rows at the front of the theater. The only places farther front are sitting on the floor, which is for children.
  • Festival of the Lion King at AK All of the mobility seating is at the front since the other seating involves going up and down steps.

These attractions have seating in the front and rear - you don't need a DAS with a mobility device. Just tell the CM seating guests with special needs that you need/want to sit in front.
  • Reflections of China - 360 film at Epcot There is no seating here unless you bring a mobility device. They do have lean rails that you can lean forward or against. The film takes place all around you and you can go where ever you want in the theater, without needing to talk to a CM. You will have less people around you if you are in the rear of the theater. Guests in mobility devices farther in the front may have obstructed view because of people standing in front of them.
    There are no lean rails there, the CM who introduces the film will be in the front. At China, as you come in, the rear is to the left.
  • O Canada at Epcot Another 360 film, similar to China in the way it works.
  • Frozen Sing a Long at Hollywood Studios
  • Beauty and the Beast at Hollywood Studios Ask the CM at the rear of the theater who is directing seating. The level of the stage is at floor height for the front row, so you may need to crane (stretch)your neck.
  • Great Movie RideTheater ride car has seating for guests riding in mobility device in the very back of the ride car. Guests who are able to transfer may sit in the very front row. Loading and unloading is in the some spot, so if you transfer, mobility device will be in the same spot when you get off. This is not really a theater, but some people may consider it one. All guests must be seated during the shoe.
  • Fantasmic at Hollywood Studios This is a night show, with the majority of the wheelchair seating at the top row. There are a few spots in the very front row. If you want to request them, be prepared to come early (an hour or more, depending on the crowd) and be prepared to get wet from spray from water screens and spray during certain parts of the show.
  • Bug's Life at Animal Kingdom The majority of mobility seating is at the rear. There are a few mobility spots in the very front row; those are accessed thru the Fastpass Plus line.
    Some guests find those seats too close. Some of the action is above you and some find the 3D effects annoying when sitting that close. Be aware that a giant grasshopper (Hopper) comes out a stage to the right of the screen and giant spiders drop from the ceiling. These may be too close for some guests' comfort.
  • Flights of Wonder Bird Show at AK The majority of the mobility seating is in the rear, but there are also designated spots In the first row. During the show, birds fly across the stage and at some points, birds will fly across the audience from the stage in the front to a trainer in the back of the theater.
  • Nemo Show at AK The majority of the mobility seating is at the rear.
    There are a few front area seats; access is down steep switchback ramps. These seats have limited view because part of the stage juts out toward the middle. Some guests may also find by need to crane their necks to see.
    There are only 2-3 mobility spots in the middle of theater. They are not available if it is raining since opening the access doors allows rain in, making the floor slippery for performers.
  • Rivers of Light at AK Mobility seating in both the front and rear in both the Fastpass and Standby theaters.
 
Thanks both, lots to think about there.

She's actually very active (by which I mean she still enjoys hiking in the mountains) - it's just the lengthy periods of sitting she can't do. If she goes to the cinema she'll sit at the back so that she can stand up occasionally during the film without blocking anyone's view. We may end up doing repeats of O Canada and Reflections of China!
 
I agree with the suggestion for a rollator or a wheelchair if she needs something, but they are probably more than she needs.

There ARE power wheelchairs that allow the user to sit or stand, but none of those for rent and the companies that rent power wheelchairs generally only to people who are experienced using them (for example, have one at home, but choose not to travel with it). They are very expensive (think nice car expensive) and not as easy to drive as they look.

There is one company that rents standing ECVs. They also provide them for the WDW parks - you will not see them out, they are by request. I also don't know whether the requirements for renting one are different than renting a regular ECV. Also important to be aware that the website indicates they only have a 5 hour battery life.
http://www.scooterbugmobilityrentals.com/equipment.html#scooters
 
So ... How about a wheelchair she kneels in? I'll link two designs I found, one's concept and the other is in development but if these two groups are designing them perhaps there are some ready made solutions for this.
I don't think those chairs would be as effective as you think. True, the kneading would take some pressure off her back or seat, but neither is actually kneeling device. Also, either would have to be self-propelled since there are no handles.

Plus, since she apparently doesn't have any trouble walking, she doesn't need a wheelchair (or other device.)

I would first use The Unofficial Guide or some other great resource to determine the actual length of the attractions/shows, and skip any that would have her sitting too long. I would also suggest not being among the last to enter a theater. Instead, she can stand at her seat until just before the show starts.

Have a plan on the minimal chance a ride she's on breaks down.
 
I would first use The Unofficial Guide or some other great resource to determine the actual length of the attractions/shows, and skip any that would have her sitting too long. I would also suggest not being among the last to enter a theater. Instead, she can stand at her seat until just before the shows starts.

Thanks - there's some good ideas there.
 
Plus, since she apparently doesn't have any trouble walking, she doesn't need a wheelchair (or other device.)
Well, in a sense, what she needs is an 'immobility aid' hmm? During shows and rides longer than 20 minutes she needs the ability to shift posture from sitting to "standing, kneeling [or] lying". If directed to standard seating at a show or traditional carriage on a ride, she won't get that. But there are special seating areas and ride carriage (on many rides) designed for people using mobility aids. Ergo, finding a mobility device that can support the person in a posture that she tolerates solves the problem(QED). Finding one that is light and portable enough to be useful without introducing undue burden might take a small measure of effort or expense but it's certainly a path to investigate.

I don't think those chairs would be as effective as you think. True, the kneading would take some pressure off her back or seat, but neither is actually kneeling device. Also, either would have to be self-propelled since there are no handles.

The way I picture this working is the group tours the park with a mobility device either stowed in a locker or carried in a backpack until approaching the scheduled ride or attraction that calls for it. Both of the chairs I linked to can be fit with companion handles but as I mentioned, those chairs are just elegantly illustrated examples of mobility devices that accommodate postures other than sitting. Other options are available for those who seek them. Wheelchairs that recumb to a near laying flat. Very small, portable posture aids designed for meditation that support the user in a kneeling position.

Something approximating the design of a traditional wheelchair will require the least thinking or discretion on the part of of the attraction attendant though. A truly specialized assistive device might not be allowed without getting prior approval and an appropriate DAS notation. I know a guy that might have some insight on how the front ranks would respond to such a request. I'll ask, but not holding my breath; we're not friends and my questions have to be pretty interesting or they don't rank a response. But he's helped me on a few related issues.
 
Well, in a sense, what she needs is an 'immobility aid' hmm?
No, not in any sense. She has no need for a device to immobilize her.

Not every guest will be able to visit every attraction, for a wide variety of reasons.

During shows and rides longer than 20 minutes she needs the ability to shift posture from sitting to "standing, kneeling [or] lying".
She needs the same ability any other guest with physical issues has - to determine which attractions she can enjoy without risking injury to any other guest on the attraction, and without shifting posture in a way that forces the attraction to be shut down.
 
No, not in any sense. She has no need for a device to immobilize her.
Okay, I thought the comparison was obvious but I could have been a little more clear and less glib; I can own up that far. If a 'Mobility Aid' is a device that helps people who have trouble being mobile then it stands to reason that an 'Immobility Aid' is one that assists people who have trouble remaining stationary.

Not every guest will be able to visit every attraction, for a wide variety of reasons.
Well, we're not talking about every guest are we? I wasn't. But if I had to make a broad reaching overly general statement on the subject it would look more like this... Every guest should should be able to visit every attraction they are able to enjoy to whatever extent they are able to enjoy it, including those that require assistive devices and or reasonable accommodations made by the premises and their fellow human beings.

She needs the same ability any other guest with physical issues has - to determine which attractions she can enjoy without risking injury to any other guest on the attraction, and without shifting posture in a way that forces the attraction to be shut down.
It seems like you are saying that her right to enjoy a show or a ride extends as far as determining which ones she can attend without any sort of assistive technology. Or... something? You're kind of all over the place with this one. I don't think anyone is proposing anything that would cause injury to their fellow guests or risk shutting a ride down.

I'm talking about a chair or posture aid the guest may use in the same way that a mobility challenged guest uses a wheelchair or ecv. This would allow the attraction designs that facilitate their use to mobility assisted guests to likewise accommodate this person.

I don't think you're suggesting that someone who has trouble walking should not be able to enjoy a WDW show or ride if doing so requires an assistive device. Yet, that seems exactly what you are suggesting with regards to a guest who needs such a device to overcome their difficulties in remaining seated.
 
If a 'Mobility Aid' is a device that helps people who have trouble being mobile then it stands to reason that an 'Immobility Aid' is one that assists people who have trouble remaining stationary.
This woman does not need to be immobile. Period. She does not need a device (e ample: full podcast) to keep or make her immobile. She stands. She walks. She hikes. She simply can't SIT comfortably for more than 15-20 minutes.
It seems like you are saying that her right to enjoy a show or a ride extends as far as determining which ones she can attend without any sort of assistive technology
This woman does not need assistive technology. She needs to not sit for extended periods of time. Right off the bat, she cannot experience Ellen's Energy Adventure.
The Ride is longer than she can comfortably sit and she cannot stand, period, for her own and the other riders' safety.
She probably can't ride Carousel of Progress - again, length of ride and unsafe to stand.
Hall of Presidents, at 20 minutes, is iffy.

Please feel free to engineer whatever device you think she needs despite there being no apparent need for any such device, given that she is fine both standing and hiking.
 
she might be able to do Ellions so few people go on this you could have the whole row to your self and lie down every now and then.

maybe do the same with show sit in the back and kneel every now and then or sit up in her set. just an idea that she could try with a few shorter show to see how it works.
 
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