I'm Done!!! Too Many Changes We Don't Like

[Planogirl]

Wow, some people still want to tell other people what they should or shouldn't like. That just isn't going to happen.

From my perspective, Disney has thrown a wrench in my plans and I'm just trying to plan as best I can. Last year we were onsite and this year we're offsite and that's pretty much how we do things and I have no intention of stopping. If Disney doesn't want my money for passes and dining and souvenirs when we stay offsite, that's just fine. Disney is not the end all be all. I'm actually not sure if I even like where they're going for when we stay onsite to be honest. Which brings something else to mind.

We still don't know how all of this will end up in the long term. A lot of people have concerns including me because there is so much we don't know. Knowledge is power and all that and the opposite just stinks IMO. All of the lectures in the world from some people isn't going to change that.

 

[rebbyparker]

I would argue that they have a fundamental supply and demand issue - that is, much more demand for ride experiences than attractions to provide the supply. This is particularly evident at Studios, where there is literally one ride suitable for young children. And I would propose that a billion dollars could have been much better spent correcting that supply/demand imbalance than on a new approach to line management that insures we all get a turn doing the glaring.

Agreed.

 

[mom2rtk]

I would argue that they have a fundamental supply and demand issue - that is, much more demand for ride experiences than attractions to provide the supply. This is particularly evident at Studios, where there is literally one ride suitable for young children. And I would propose that a billion dollars could have been much better spent correcting that supply/demand imbalance than on a new approach to line management that insures we all get a turn doing the glaring.

Except that some executive probably got a big fat bonus for dreaming up this scheme where they tap into the unused capacity of B attractions instead of building big expensive new stuff.

 

[ShayBells]

I think the biggest contention is the "I haven't tried it yet, but I know I won't like it because everyone else says it's horrible so I am never going there again" crowd that is upsetting most people on these boards. The other camp "Disney can do no wrong" is just as annoying. I think most people are upset that the way they see The World will have to change. Heaven forbid someone has to use stand-by. These are the ones that get me. The "I can't go on every ride twenty times in a row anymore" crowd is bothersome. Someone earlier said they shouldn't use paying guests as "guinea pigs." Well, I am wondering how else they would have tested the system without using paying guests? I have been tracking the times lately, just for giggles...they seem to be manageable for the most part. I think the longest wait I saw at any of the parks was 55 min for TSMM, but that ride is never less than a fifty min standy wait. To me, a summer traveller (due to being a school teacher and having school age kids that I make the choice not to take out of school), think that a 55 min wait would be refreshing. Anyway....I think that is what is getting on people's nerves IMHO

I think what gets me is the people who say they aren't going back and disney won't get their money like their money is dipped in gold and is made of pixie dust and the most important to disney ever that as soon as they say this Disney will come and beg at bended knee to come and get them back.

I'm all for people having their own feelings. You hate the way things are going? Fine. You want to complain? Have at it. You want advice, or support? Come and get it.

But Disney doesn't not care about your money as an individual. They care about money from the masses ( unless your a cute pop star who brings in the bucks from shows and tours) you have no leverage and threatening that disney won't get your money just seems stupid to me. Sorry but that's my very humble opinion.

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[clsteve]

Someone earlier said they shouldn't use paying guests as "guinea pigs." Well, I am wondering how else they would have tested the system without using paying guests?

Well, since I'm the one who used the term guinea pig, I'll explain.

This is a production rollout, meaning all functionality, interfaces, etc., have been coded and implemented.

That also means there are incredibly detailed macro and micro project plans in place detailing exactly when they expect to do things such as change a Park to a tier-based allocation of FP+, or when it will happen to the next Park, or when FP Legacy will go away.

Unfortunately, the timeline for major changes is not public knowledge, which has caught upcoming guests unaware and within their cancellation policy.

Since they've set this precedent, there is no reason to not expect it to continue.

This is on top of any MDE interface and Magic Band issues.

Many of us are planners when it comes to a major, high dollar vacation and do not want to spend thousands dollars for all of this added uncertainty and stress in order to provide production testing feedback to Disney: which is why I changed my January trip to USF.

Does it mean I won't go back? No. Does it mean I'm 100% anti FP+? No.

But, I will wait until this phase is completed, enjoy our first on-site to USF, and then compare the 2 experiences.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think what gets me is the people who say they aren't going back and disney won't get their money like their money is dipped in gold and is made of pixie dust and the most important to disney ever that as soon as they say this Disney will come and beg at bended knee to come and get them back.

I'm all for people having their own feelings. You hate the way things are going? Fine. You want to complain? Have at it. You want advice, or support? Come and get it.

But Disney doesn't not care about your money as an individual. They care about money from the masses ( unless your a cute pop star who brings in the bucks from shows and tours) you have no leverage and threatening that disney won't get your money just seems stupid to me. Sorry but that's my very humble opinion.

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What are masses but a collection of individuals?

Trends occur one body at a time.

If that's how you feel, then you probably don't vote either. After all, one vote really doesn't matter, does it?

 

[shalom]

In theory lots of people have been spending big bucks to stand in lines. They are the folks who glare when you saunter up the fp aisle. It is just those of us who have been in the loop through the years that will miss it.

Lol, not arguing. I'm wondering though if the fp+ will more evenly disperse the benefit.

I'm not sure it will. The original FP system is not particularly complex, but there seem to be plenty of people who think you have to pay for it or otherwise don't get it. How many of those people are going to be able to understand and navigate even a non-glitchy FP+ system? I think a lot of first timers will still be standing in a lot of lines.

 

[CanadaJulie]

I have been tracking the times lately, just for giggles...they seem to be manageable for the most part. I think the longest wait I saw at any of the parks was 55 min for TSMM, but that ride is never less than a fifty min standy wait. To me, a summer traveller (due to being a school teacher and having school age kids that I make the choice not to take out of school), think that a 55 min wait would be refreshing.

Sure, if in the middle of July the wait time for TSMM is 55 mins, that would be refreshing. I am not sure if you've noticed since you're tracking times for giggles, that the current crowd calendar for the last few weeks on easywdw has crowds at a 3-5 level. The current crowds have nothing to do with the summer crowds. Maybe that's what worrying people...

 

[ShayBells]

What are masses but a collection of individuals? Trends occur one body at a time. If that's how you feel, then you probably don't vote either. After all, one vote really doesn't matter, does it?

I actually don't vote. Sue me.

If you personally don't spend your round about 3,000 dollars a year at disney you think they'll cry??? You think they'll be hurt?

Look at this way. We went almost every year as kids until my parents divorced and than it was years before I went back. Disney survived without me those years and they would without you or any one else unless you could get everyone else to go along with you. That is when individuality among masses matter. But that won't happen will it. Even if you rallied everyone on the boards (which you won't) it wouldn't put a dent in disney's income.

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[Colleen27]

I'm not sure it will. The original FP system is not particularly complex, but there seem to be plenty of people who think you have to pay for it or otherwise don't get it. How many of those people are going to be able to understand and navigate even a non-glitchy FP+ system? I think a lot of first timers will still be standing in a lot of lines.

It is still more fair, though. Not because it improves the experience for first-timers and non-researchers but because it detracts from the experience for experienced and knowledgeable guests. We will have less of an advantage no matter how small the share of casual guests participating in the system.

Under the old system, the fact that so many people didn't use it meant more FPs available for those of us who did. Under the new system, it wouldn't matter if I was the only guest in the park using FP+. I'd still only have access to FP for three rides with no repeats, and if the test at Epcot is any indication, only one of those a headliner. The rest of the time I'd be riding standby with everyone else.

 

[Roxy13]

We love WDW and stay just about every year. We have a trip planned for May 2014, and we have rented DVC points so we can't cancel or we lose a lot of money. We are in our late 60's and early 70's and not Ipad, Iphone etc people. From what I'm reading, I think it will be a difficult trip for us with having ADR's and keeping track of FP+ times, and unable to rearrange on the fly. The old FP worked pretty good for us, not sure how this will ultimately work out.I guess we will see how this all plays out and determine after our trip if it is worth all the trouble. I can't believe I am saying this.

 

[robpa]

Correct. It is a Disney forum. That is my point. If you have no plans at all to ever to Disney again, why the hell hang out on a Disney forum?

I don't recall saying I would never visit Disney again.

 

[Planogirl]

I actually don't vote. Sue me.

If you personally don't spend your round about 3,000 dollars a year at disney you think they'll cry??? You think they'll be hurt?

Look at this way. We went almost every year as kids until my parents divorced and than it was years before I went back. Disney survived without me those years and they would without you or any one else unless you could get everyone else to go along with you. That is when individuality among masses matter. But that won't happen will it. Even if you rallied everyone on the boards (which you won't) it wouldn't put a dent in disney's income.

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I don't understand how this is relevant. People come to a discussion board to discuss their feelings about changes and so on and part of that discussion could be some expressing distaste and saying that they won't go back. I agree that if only a few follow through then it won't matter to anyone except those individuals but none of us know how the general public will react to all of this. Disney has their ideas but anyone in business knows that a drastic change always involves some risk.

As for me, I don't expect to go to WDW after this Christmas visit at least not for a while. I'm not saying this because I think that Disney or anyone here will care but it's just a point of discussion. I have too many other things that I wish to do and Disney is giving me the motivation to go ahead with that. I suppose that I really should thank them but of course again they wouldn't care.

It really would be nice if we could discuss the pros and cons of what's happening without always having to defend our opinions. I have a trip to plan for and seeing people constantly chastise others for their opinions gets old.

 

[robpa]

That's where we disagree.

You're getting a 'different' FP service. Not one that has been proven better or worse yet. It's in a testing phase. My Redskins went undefeated in their preseason, and here I was SURE we were going to a Superbowl. But here we are, with 3 wins and half the season gone. The testing phase wasn't very accurate.

For all we know, they are causing as much stress on the system as possible, just to see how much it takes to break it. I'm not saying that IS or IS NOT going on, but that's perfectly normal to do during a testing phase.

As mentioned, they got the biggest expansion ever to the MK this year. Resorts are always being added, technology is always improving, attractions are always being added, and your money isn't worth near what it was 50 visits ago. Add all that to the whole annoying "supply and demand" rule that always gets in the way.

Not to stay on football, but when I go to see my Redskins lose, personally, I hate paying $10 for a beer, but my fellow fans obviously feel that's what the beer is worth, since they keep shelling it out, and I am too. Disney is no different. Clearly people still think the product is worth the $, since the park profits are only going up.

If you think you keep paying more and getting less, maybe you think it's not worth the money any more, and why would you continue going if you think that? Seems that your issue with Disney is less about FP and more about your opinion of the services/products they are offering, which is not a subject I have commented on.

If you raise prices, but not to offset operating expenses, profits will go up even if attendance stays the same or possibly drops some. Someone else kept saying that attendance has not gone up enough to be noticeable.

 

[robpa]

I don't understand how this is relevant. People come to a discussion board to discuss their feelings about changes and so on and part of that discussion could be some expressing distaste and saying that they won't go back. I agree that if only a few follow through then it won't matter to anyone except those individuals but none of us know how the general public will react to all of this. Disney has their ideas but anyone in business knows that a drastic change always involves some risk.

As for me, I don't expect to go to WDW after this Christmas visit at least not for a while. I'm not saying this because I think that Disney or anyone here will care but it's just a point of discussion. I have too many other things that I wish to do and Disney is giving me the motivation to go ahead with that. I suppose that I really should thank them but of course again they wouldn't care.

It really would be nice if we could discuss the pros and cons of what's happening without always having to defend our opinions. I have a trip to plan for and seeing people constantly chastise others for their opinions gets old.

It's because someone said bad things about The Walt Disney Co.

 

[Planogirl]

It's because someone said bad things about The Walt Disney Co.

I know.

 

[mikedoyleblogger]

I don't understand how this is relevant. People come to a discussion board to discuss their feelings about changes and so on and part of that discussion could be some expressing distaste and saying that they won't go back. I agree that if only a few follow through then it won't matter to anyone except those individuals but none of us know how the general public will react to all of this. Disney has their ideas but anyone in business knows that a drastic change always involves some risk.

As for me, I don't expect to go to WDW after this Christmas visit at least not for a while. I'm not saying this because I think that Disney or anyone here will care but it's just a point of discussion. I have too many other things that I wish to do and Disney is giving me the motivation to go ahead with that. I suppose that I really should thank them but of course again they wouldn't care.

It really would be nice if we could discuss the pros and cons of what's happening without always having to defend our opinions. I have a trip to plan for and seeing people constantly chastise others for their opinions gets old.

This. Never. Happens. In the Disneyland forum. It's always sad watching it happen here.

 

[Angel Ariel]

This. Never. Happens. In the Disneyland forum. It's always sad watching it happen here.

The DLR forum is definitely a lot more laid back. Honestly, I think a lot of that is due to the fact that visiting DLR is a lot more laid back and requires a lot less planning than WDW.

As much as I enjoyed our 2 trips to WDW this year, I don't know that I ever felt quite as relaxed during them as I did during our visits to DLR. It's nice not having to schedule ADRs 180 days out, to be able to stay "offsite" and be closer to the park entrance than most of the Disney resorts, and just not have to microplan so much.

 

[Mad Hattered]

If you raise prices, but not to offset operating expenses, profits will go up even if attendance stays the same or possibly drops some. Someone else kept saying that attendance has not gone up enough to be noticeable.

Actually attendance did go up (at MK only), but only because of International visitors. Domestic attendance was flat.

 

[Maleficent Dragon]

It really would be nice if we could discuss the pros and cons of what's happening without always having to defend our opinions. I have a trip to plan for and seeing people constantly chastise others for their opinions gets old.

It's because someone said bad things about The Walt Disney Co.

What Disney Apologetics is all about!!