I'm Done!!! Too Many Changes We Don't Like

[Mad Hattered]

No wonder we can't agree.

I bet we both hate $10 beer.

Now THAT we can agree on!

 

[ShayBells]

I don't understand how this is relevant. People come to a discussion board to discuss their feelings about changes and so on and part of that discussion could be some expressing distaste and saying that they won't go back. I agree that if only a few follow through then it won't matter to anyone except those individuals but none of us know how the general public will react to all of this. Disney has their ideas but anyone in business knows that a drastic change always involves some risk. As for me, I don't expect to go to WDW after this Christmas visit at least not for a while. I'm not saying this because I think that Disney or anyone here will care but it's just a point of discussion. I have too many other things that I wish to do and Disney is giving me the motivation to go ahead with that. I suppose that I really should thank them but of course again they wouldn't care. It really would be nice if we could discuss the pros and cons of what's happening without always having to defend our opinions. I have a trip to plan for and seeing people constantly chastise others for their opinions gets old.

You must of missed my PP. I'm not saying people can't discuss and say that at all. That wasn't my point. I said if you don't want to go back and want to go somewhere else that's fine. It's your life your money your vacation. And if you want to discuss the bad more power to you. It's how people learn. My point was the people who have delusions that disney will fall apart without their money.

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[Granny square]

This. Never. Happens. In the Disneyland forum. It's always sad watching it happen here.

You are right. They don't fight over dl and universal there either

 

[maxiesmom]

What Disney Apologetics is all about!!

And comments such as this one only fuel hurt feelings. People should be able to criticize WDW but they should also be free to say they are fine with the way things are changing without being mocked.

I was part of the FP+ test last December, and I am part of the bigger test next month. Last years test went just fine, but then we had no problems pulling any other FPs we wanted. Hopefully I will find little has changed, but I'm reserving final judgement till I use the new system myself.

 

[Granny square]

And comments such as this one only fuel hurt feelings. People should be able to criticize WDW but they should also be free to say they are fine with the way things are changing without being mocked. I was part of the FP+ test last December, and I am part of the bigger test next month. Last years test went just fine, but then we had no problems pulling any other FPs we wanted. Hopefully I will find little has changed, but I'm reserving final judgement till I use the new system myself.

Lol, true. Both sides blame the other for being judgmental.

 

[ShayBells]

Lol, true. Both sides blame the other for being judgmental.

I was just gonna come here and say this. If I say something negative all of a sudden I'm a bad person. If I say something positive. Oh look at that I'm a bad person. You just can't win in this "fight."

PS. I like to think of it as a heated discussion rather than fighting.

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[BenbowInn]

You must of missed my PP. I'm not saying people can't discuss and say that at all. That wasn't my point. I said if you don't want to go back and want to go somewhere else that's fine. It's your life your money your vacation. And if you want to discuss the bad more power to you. It's how people learn. My point was the people who have delusions that disney will fall apart without their money.

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I don't think anyone is saying that disney will fall apart without their money. We are all very aware that Disney has no problem getting guests to come in. My concern is long term...I do want Disney to be around forever so I can one day take my grand kids (and I'm only 27 now so that will be awhile away) but I think it's delusional to assume Disney can't fail, because many successful business meet with a downfall (Sears anyone?).

The fact is, if any system Disney pushes, whether it be Fastpass + or anything else they come up with, causes them to lose some of their most passionate followers, then that's a sign that they should step back and reevaluate things.

Look at Blockbuster for instance, once a huge giant that has fallen while Netflix has overtaken them. No matter how big, there is competition and for Disney that is Universal and it's not at all a stretch to believe there is a chance Disney too will fall one day, which is exactly what happens with these "too big to fail" businesses stop listening to their customers.

 

[sonofanarchy]

I'm sort of in between. I had my friends trip for January and family trip for July all set, but I just cancelled the January trip. It's not that I don't want to go, but I feel as though that money will be (hopefully) better spent in July when the system is somewhat in place. I'll miss my winter trip, but I just don't feel as though it's worth the money right now with so much up in the air. I've held out for Disney to get things straight for a few months, and there is no more clarification today than there was 3 months ago. Will they miss my money? Of course not. But rest assured, I let them know exactly why I was cancelling.

 

[ShayBells]

I don't think anyone is saying that disney will fall apart without their money. We are all very aware that Disney has no problem getting guests to come in. My concern is long term...I do want Disney to be around forever so I can one day take my grand kids (and I'm only 27 now so that will be awhile away) but I think it's delusional to assume Disney can't fail, because many successful business meet with a downfall (Sears anyone?). The fact is, if any system Disney pushes, whether it be Fastpass + or anything else they come up with, causes them to lose some of their most passionate followers, then that's a sign that they should step back and reevaluate things. Look at Blockbuster for instance, once a huge giant that has fallen while Netflix has overtaken them. No matter how big, there is competition and for Disney that is Universal and it's not at all a stretch to believe there is a chance Disney too will fall one day, which is exactly what happens with these "too big to fail" businesses stop listening to their customers.

I just respectively disagree. I don't think FP+ will be their downfall. And you know if it starts to hurt them they will take steps to turn it around. This is just what I think. Sure I could be wrong but it's a long shot to think Disney World will close its doors because a few passionate followers aren't going at this time. And Disney is more than just an amusement park. They are movies, branding, hell they own ABC and ESPN. They've gone bankrupt in the past and have made it back through.

I just believe in the long run Disney World will still be here. If I'm wrong than I'll be sad and move on. But we can't change what we don't know so I choose to be positive and deal with worries as they come. Not worry about things I have no control over. Or do I believe making outlandish threats is a solution. Again just my opinion.

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[ShayBells]

I'm sort of in between. I had my friends trip for January and family trip for July all set, but I just cancelled the January trip. It's not that I don't want to go, but I feel as though that money will be (hopefully) better spent in July when the system is somewhat in place. I'll miss my winter trip, but I just don't feel as though it's worth the money right now with so much up in the air. I've held out for Disney to get things straight for a few months, and there is no more clarification today than there was 3 months ago. Will they miss my money? Of course not. But rest assured, I let them know exactly why I was cancelling.

And that's great. Maybe if disney heard enough complaints specifically of what is wrong they can try to fix it. But they will never make everyone happy but all we can do is try to let them know what they can do to make it better and hope for the best.

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[JanaDee]

And comments such as this one only fuel hurt feelings. People should be able to criticize WDW but they should also be free to say they are fine with the way things are changing without being mocked.

You mean like those that criticize WDW are mocked and chastised? Saying "more room for me" and "your money won't be missed" are somehow supposed to make us feel good?

Oh, I forgot the best one ~ I have delusions Disney will fall apart without my money.

 

[Jeslynb]

I was just gonna come here and say this. If I say something negative all of a sudden I'm a bad person. If I say something positive. Oh look at that I'm a bad person. You just can't win in this "fight."

PS. I like to think of it as a heated discussion rather than fighting.

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Lol - very true! But I think if someone posts a "vent" thread, it's not cool to come in and chastise them for "negativity." Likewise, if someone posts a positive, happy thread, it's not great to come and tell them they have no right to be happy.

This is the only board where I have seen people do this - just *go after* an OP in this way, which is pretty funny considering it's a Disney board. Very, very touchy subject, apparently!

 

[sonofanarchy]

And that's great. Maybe if disney heard enough complaints specifically of what is wrong they can try to fix it. But they will never make everyone happy but all we can do is try to let them know what they can do to make it better and hope for the best.

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Eh, I don't think so. As much as they try to convince you otherwise, Disney doesn't give 2 pieces of Mickey Mouse poop what any of us think. They believe they are untouchable. Now, Universal, if you complain to them about something, that's a different story. The levels I have seen them go to to right a wrong is outstanding. They are to customer service what Disney used to be.

 

[ShayBells]

Lol - very true! But I think if someone posts a "vent" thread, it's not cool to come in and chastise them for "negativity." Likewise, if someone posts a positive, happy thread, it's not great to come and tell them they have no right to be happy. This is the only board where I have seen people do this - just *go after* an OP in this way, which is pretty funny considering it's a Disney board. Very, very touchy subject, apparently!

I think the problem is too that people take things so personally. And it's so hard to get a point across in text. I remember one post where someone came asking for advice because they were afraid their trip would be bad because FP+ and a bunch of us said keep your chin up. Disney is great. Just look at the positives. And then all of a sudden we were the horrible people saying the OPs negative opinion wasn't welcome when that was not what we were saying at all.

Same with this thread. I said a negative post about how Disney doesn't care about individuals but about the bigger picture and only money. ( too me this is saying something awful about Disney) yet I was labeled a disney apologist.

I can't win. Lol.

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[ArwenMarie]

Eh, I don't think so. As much as they try to convince you otherwise, Disney doesn't give 2 pieces of Mickey Mouse poop what any of us think. They believe they are untouchable. Now, Universal, if you complain to them about something, that's a different story. The levels I have seen them go to to right a wrong is outstanding. They are to customer service what Disney used to be.

I've written this story on these boards before, but I totally agree about the customer service thing. We went to Great Wolf in the spring and I made one minor complaint to the general manager. I wasn't expecting anything in compensation. He came out of the back office and said that they would be taking 10% off of our entire stay. Which came out to over $100 dollars.

That's the difference between a company who is hungry and a company resting on their laurels. I think I would faint if that ever happened at Disney LOL

 

[cabanafrau]

Our reasons for a vacation are to get away from all the hustle and bustle of everyday life, and all the planning involved on a daily basis. Now we have to plan our attractions and ADR's even more-and make sure we don't forget to cancel ADRs far enough in advance to avoid a CC charge. Our vacation priorites are not wrong.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with your priorities. There is a growing chorus of long-time Disney vacationers making the same complaints you are. Personally I don't enjoy feeling moved about as if I'm a cog in a wheel while I'm paying the freight and being told I should be enjoying myself.

It is a tremendous mistake to spend the kind of money that has been expended without increasing capacity or value offered to guests while continuing to raise prices, assuming guests will continue to pay and return for diminished offerings or will be replaced by new guests. I foresee a time in the very near future when the chorus of boos from guests unwilling to return trickles down to potential new visitors. For now Disney can attempt to shore things up with increased Brazilian marketing campaigns. Eventually it will catch up to them. I hope they make a course correction before destroying WDW.

As for us, the next time we look to go to Disney it will be DLR -- or upon serious news of a change in direction at WDW --- one seriously focused on guest satisfaction as opposed to attempting to separate guests from their wallets at all costs.

 

[JanaDee]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with your priorities. There is a growing chorus of long-time Disney vacationers making the same complaints you are. Personally I don't enjoy feeling moved about as if I'm a cog in a wheel while I'm paying the freight and being told I should be enjoying myself.

It is a tremendous mistake to spend the kind of money that has been expended without increasing capacity or value offered to guests while continuing to raise prices, assuming guests will continue to pay and return for diminished offerings or will be replaced by new guests. I foresee a time in the very near future when the chorus of boos from guests unwilling to return trickles down to potential new visitors. For now Disney can attempt to shore things up with increased Brazilian marketing campaigns. Eventually it will catch up to them. I hope they make a course correction before destroying WDW.

As for us, the next time we look to go to Disney it will be DLR -- or upon serious news of a change in direction at WDW --- one seriously focused on guest satisfaction as opposed to attempting to separate guests from their wallets at all costs.

 

[tjevans]

Not us. I think it is a step in the right direction. Will save a lot of walking for us. Looking forward to using the magic bands for our Dec trip.

Just another reason not to like FP+. By cutting down on the amount of required walking, Disney is contributing to the obesity epidemic!

(Note: Not calling you obese.)

 

[maxiesmom]

You mean like those that criticize WDW are mocked and chastised? Saying "more room for me" and "your money won't be missed" are somehow supposed to make us feel good?

Oh, I forgot the best one ~ I have delusions Disney will fall apart without my money.

Did you somehow miss the part where I stated people should be free to criticize as well?

 

[Magpie]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with your priorities. There is a growing chorus of long-time Disney vacationers making the same complaints you are. Personally I don't enjoy feeling moved about as if I'm a cog in a wheel while I'm paying the freight and being told I should be enjoying myself.

It is a tremendous mistake to spend the kind of money that has been expended without increasing capacity or value offered to guests while continuing to raise prices, assuming guests will continue to pay and return for diminished offerings or will be replaced by new guests. I foresee a time in the very near future when the chorus of boos from guests unwilling to return trickles down to potential new visitors. For now Disney can attempt to shore things up with increased Brazilian marketing campaigns. Eventually it will catch up to them. I hope they make a course correction before destroying WDW.

As for us, the next time we look to go to Disney it will be DLR -- or upon serious news of a change in direction at WDW --- one seriously focused on guest satisfaction as opposed to attempting to separate guests from their wallets at all costs.

I'm curious... what happens if you're wrong and Disney continues to make money hand over fist, with increased attendance across the board? Will you feel disappointed they didn't sink?

You could be right and Disney could be headed for disaster. But, you could also be wrong, and this course may turn out to be the right one for the company, no correction required.

Me, I'm hoping this is all a great success for the company, as they truly are my favorite Big Evil Corporation. I'm rooting for them!