I'm confused!!!

[InstImpres]

I know the question of point reallocation has come up. After looking at the chart and understanding much more than one I did when I bought, I am now totally lost.

My guide told us even with realllocation, the total number of points in the chart per year never changes

Here's my scenerio that has me lost:

BWV has 149 2 bedroom lockoff units. If they were all to be rented as 2BR's for 1 weeknight in adventure season that would be 3,576 points for the one night (24 x 149). If they were all rented as individual studios and 1 Br's it would be 3,725 (9 x149 = 16 x 149) making a difference of 149 points just on 1 night's rental.

Does anyone know how this works in order to ensure there are enough rooms for all the points we have all bought and like wise, if we all rent individual 2 BR lockoff rooms instead of the two individual rooms, who gets the extra use of that space - CR?

Hope this makes sense to someone!

 

[PamOKW]

I'm not exactly sure of the mechanics of how DVC laid out the point charts, but I don't think it is based solely on the actual number of units. The OKW point charts did not change when additional units were built which would have been the case based on the way you are trying to reason out the chart.

I haven't got the actual answer....maybe someone else does.

 

[Caskbill]

Actually, the TOTAL number of points required to reserve any DVC unit already do change from year to year. This is because of the ways the weekdays / weekends split within the DVC seasons, from year to year.

For example, for the WDW resorts, Feb 1 - 15th is always 'Dream Season' (The preceding all of January is Adventure Season, and the following remainder of February is always 'Magic Season'

In 2003 this period (Feb 1-15) has 11 weekdays in it, and 4 weekend days in it.

In 2004 this period (Feb 1 - 15) has 10 weekdays in it, and 5 weekend days in it.

So a Grand Villa at OKW for Feb 1-15 in 2003 is 985 points while a Grand Villa at OKW for Feb 1-15 in 2004 is only 923 points.

But somewhere else in the calendar, dates have also shifted between weekend /weekdays and seasons so that a comparable time period somewhere else on the calendar may be fewer points in 2003 and more in 2004, just the opposite of the above. This in turn would offset some of the differences in the above Grand Villa example.



Finally, also note the calendar year itself varies year to year. 2003 has 104 weekend days in it. 2004 has 105 weekend days in it.

For every resort and every Disney season, the ratio of weekend days to weekdays changes every year. This automatically changes the TOTAL number of points for any given unit from year to year.

One final number example. A Grand Villa is unaffected by how the split occurs between Studio/1-B/R and 2-B/R usages. Therefore using a GV only, the total points required for a GV in 2003 will be 23,148 points, while the total points for this unit in 2004 will be 23,305 points. Multiply that difference (157 points) by how many GV's there are at OKW and you can see the annual TOTAL DVC point differences between 2003 and 2004 will vary quite a bit.

Also as mentioned, the split between whether a Studio section is reserved as a Studio or as a 2nd bedroom makes a difference in the points.

I think DVC has covered this by the fact that we only own about 96% of the resort, and the remaining 4% has been retained as DVC property, which they rent out on a cash basis.

This 4% non-owner inventory can then act as a buffer for the year to handle those TOTAL point changes. Depending on how weekends fall, and how DVC members reserve units (Studio vs 2-B/R), the number of DVC owned units used for cash reservations only will shrink or expand each year depending on that year's specific requirements for units being reserved using points.

 

[Dean]

Obviously there are some minor variations that happen from year to year based on the info provided above. The actual variation should be very minimal and only be a few points per year. Worst case scenario would be maybe a 1500 points or so different for a 2 BR lockout reserved for the entire year as a 1 BR and Studio. I'm sure there's enough cushion built into the system to allow for this so I wouldn't worry.

One additional point is that when the POS refers to a unit it is refering to a collection of rooms and not an individual room. A unit at OKW and I think HH is a building, with the others it's a block of rooms usually on the same floor. So don't get caught up in the idea that a single room type couldn't change modestly at the expense of others.

 

[InstImpres]

Sorry - Guess I wasn't very clear. I understand they reallocate each year within the chart, I just didn't realize there was that extra cushion. As unlikely as it seems, if the bulk of the rooms at just BWV were reserved as 2BR's vs. studio & 1 BR it could be a difference of up to 60,000 points. I know that it would never be that heavy I just wondered how they accounted for that to ensure everyone could use their points. Likely wise, I guess if we all went under, we had have extra cash ressies to off set our next years dues?

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by InstImpres
Sorry - Guess I wasn't very clear. I understand they reallocate each year within the chart, I just didn't realize there was that extra cushion. As unlikely as it seems, if the bulk of the rooms at just BWV were reserved as 2BR's vs. studio & 1 BR it could be a difference of up to 60,000 points. I know that it would never be that heavy I just wondered how they accounted for that to ensure everyone could use their points. Likely wise, I guess if we all went under, we had have extra cash ressies to off set our next years dues?

They have a 2-4% cushion built in for this issue and also for maintenance and the like. The real question is how did they sell the points. Did they sell it out assuming worst case scenario, best case scenario or an average. My guess is the latter but I doubt anyone will know or even be able to document an answer that DVC might give them.