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[Lisa loves Pooh]

Glad to take you through it. I'm still amazed that I got in trouble for handing someone trash.


As far as judging the OP--I don't think a bunch of us are doing that. One could conversely say that the CM is being judged--but she was merely doing her job. Making sure things stay quiet in that area. She is being judged as though she had nothing better to do that to tsk tsk the toddler.

FTR...I have no idea where this spot is. We've never been shushed before. I guess my group was obeying whatever rules were in place. But if it were me, I would have said I'm sorry and made sure my little tyke stayed quiet. We've been traveling to Disney with them as young as 11 months (oldest) and 4 months (youngest) and we have always taught our kids the proper etiquette when necessary. How much money I spend has no weight on how I expect them to behave. I think that is what caused people to actually to think further about the situation.

When I read shocking--I had expected to see something about streaking, mooning, smoking on a ride--you know...actual things that are shocking.



Now one time on astro-orbiters--I won't call it shocking..but the CM didn't announce the start of hte ride (I thought they alwyays did, I could be wrong). My BIL's hat flew off while the guy was still walking around and he thought he had a moment to get up and get his hat. Well the ride started and of course was immediately stopped. He got chewed out by the CM. Now was it necessary to chew him out--probably not . Was it wise of my BIL to get up when the ride is close to starting--well no it wasn't. Could we have reported the CM--probably...but little would have happened.

The CM's kind of have a little leeway when guests break the rules. Of course the more serious the infraction--the less Disney-like their behavior needs to be to take control of the situation.

I have re-read the OP's post...and the only thing I find that could possibly be construed as shocking would be if you were atheist and the idea that the CM mentioned church. But that is me stretching to find the shock value.

 

[rebecca314]

She said we needed to use church like voices. They don't like noise.

What if you don't attend church and don't understand the statement???? i am more offended by that than anything else!

 

[carrie s]

Anyone who would tell a toddler to use their church voices has never taken a toddler to church.

 

[BroadwayGirl]

Sorry for venting here. Maybe I was overreacting. ... snip ...

That said, I also know that kids will be kids most of the time. I am not going to muzzle my child to keep him quiet to look at gorillas. I will do everything I can to keep him from bothering other guests though.
Please don't think bad of me. I just have a hard time when somone gets annoyed at a normal child just being normal. I have more patience for kids being kids, than I do for the rude adults I came across last week.

Actually, the CM was probably not concerned about you bothering other guests at all. Their first concern is for the animals and as we are visiting their (that is, the gorillas) home, we need to respect their social rules. And gorillas do have fairly well defined social rule. They are very sensitive and will react negatively when they are disturbed by intruders in their territory. The gorillas, especially the bachelors who live on the left side of the bridge, have been known to poop, scoop and then throw their feces at guests if guests are being too loud or making the "wrong" noises.

 

[GEM]

The gorillas, especially the bachelors who live on the left side of the bridge, have been known to poop, scoop and then throw their feces at guests . . .

I have inlaws who do the same thing . . .

 

[minniebeth]

Actually, the CM was probably not concerned about you bothering other guests at all. Their first concern is for the animals and as we are visiting their (that is, the gorillas) home, we need to respect their social rules. And gorillas do have fairly well defined social rule. They are very sensitive and will react negatively when they are disturbed by intruders in their territory. The gorillas, especially the bachelors who live on the left side of the bridge, have been known to poop, scoop and then throw their feces at guests if guests are being too loud or making the "wrong" noises.

I don't have a problem with CM's doing their job...it's all in the DELIVERY of how they talk to people in this kind of situation. Perhaps there should be a CM conveying this to people before they encounter this area.

 

[weirdpaintballr]

What if you don't attend church and don't understand the statement???? i am more offended by that than anything else!

You don't have to attend church to understand that it is a place to be respectful and quiet, not running around screaming.<--EXAMPLE The CM was trying to get the point across as quickly as possible to aviod a poop flinging incident. I really think it would been more of a shock if you had a faceful of gorilla poop in WDW

 

[kaysmommie]

You know, I bet the OP felt flamed enough by the CM.


Really, we do pay a lot of money to go to Disney World. I do appreciate rules. Just because my child makes one noise, does not mean I am going to leave an area. Sorry. Now, if my child is throwing a tantrum or is obviously disrupting people repeatedly, I will leave. I don't need a condescending reminder from the CM. I think it is perfectly fine to do your job and remind people that the area is a quiet area, but they need to do it with respect and with tact. I don't think the OP was as bothered by the CM saying her child needed to be quiet as much as the way it was said.

Exactly!

 

[Alex2kMommy]

I took a college psych course from a professor who works with chimps, so a lot of his stories about human behavior included anecdotes on primate behavior, specifically that of the chimps in his care. This included:

If you stand upright, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you advance toward them standing upright, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you look them in the eye, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you vocalize loudly, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you bare your teeth, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you move your arms, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.

And trust me when I say they are even less tolerant of social missteps than the strictest mama!

I so badly wanted to be one of the lab assistants...until the day I encountered one in the ladies room. She was soaked from head to toe, pulling chunks of slimy green stuff (chewed celery) out of her hair. "What happened?" I asked. She sighed, "Oh, I work in the chimp lab, this happens all the time. At least it wasn't poop this time."

Never having been to the Animal Kingdom park, I'm guessing that guests walk up to the animals, you're probably looking at them and smiling and perhaps talking excitedly...

 

[Tinker53]

Anyone who would tell a toddler to use their church voices has never taken a toddler to church.

I swear I was just thinking that

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

On our trip in May, the minute we entered that area with DD2 and DS1, the CM looked right at me and recited the "must be quiet" spiel. My kids had not said anything at all.

I took it as telling me that probably wasn't the best place for my DS, since he can shatter glass with his screech. I simply took him beyond and waited for the rest of my family. When my DD yelled for her older brother, my sister, who was carrying her, didn't wait to be told again, she left and waited with me too.

While I saw it as looking out for the animals and not necessarily singling ME out, just small kids, I can see how the OP may have interpreted it as rude and somewhat embarrassing to her since her little one had made a noise, even though it was not loud. Hopefully, this will make her feel better. It isn't just you!! They are like that to everyone under 30 inches tall.

 

[schlepsnort]

I do, and if he's "spontaneously" loud in place he shouldn't be, then we move on quickly.




I don't think anyone was judging the child's behavior. I certainly wasn't. We all know toddlers are noisy little critters The only thing I was put off by was the OPs reaction to a CM who dared point out that it was necesary to be quiet in that area, which I've heard them do many times, and what seemed to be her attitude of, "I paid a lot of money to be here, so I don't care if we're being disruptive". She was simply doing her job by trying to keep things in that area under control. I still don't see what is "shocking" or "rude" about that. Oh well.

maybe I"m just reading the OP differently than you but she said that it wasn't WHAT the CM said that surprised her but the TONE or HOW she said it.

And nowhere did I read or interpret what the OP said as being "I paid for it so I'm going to do whatever I please". She just didn't want to cause any type of scene that would upset her child and thereby upset the magic of the trip.

It was a one time noise, the CM was trying to convey the desired atmosphere but did it in an ineffective way. No reason to flame the poor woman for it.

Geesh sure seems like a few people got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!!!

That or the rest of us just aren't the UberMom's that others expect us to be...Apparently SOME people just never get unwarranted comments or advice from strangers in regards to their kids...oh that's right it's because they are perfect already...silly me.

 

[ilovejack02]

maybe I"m just reading the OP differently than you but she said that it wasn't WHAT the CM said that surprised her but the TONE or HOW she said it.

And nowhere did I read or interpret what the OP said as being "I paid for it so I'm going to do whatever I please". She just didn't want to cause any type of scene that would upset her child and thereby upset the magic of the trip.

It was a one time noise, the CM was trying to convey the desired atmosphere but did it in an ineffective way. No reason to flame the poor woman for it.

Geesh sure seems like a few people got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!!!

That or the rest of us just aren't the UberMom's that others expect us to be...Apparently SOME people just never get unwarranted comments or advice from strangers in regards to their kids...oh that's right it's because they are perfect already...silly me.

It does seem that a few folks did get a little fired up about op comments. I remember reading a couple of days ago a thread on how there has been ALOT of flaming going recently and how we all need to learn how to be a little nicer to each other. The moderator seemed quite upset and was tired of having to edit folks comments and lock threads because of folks flaming other people. Guess we should all take this in to account before we start jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

And nowhere did I read or interpret what the OP said as being "I paid for it so I'm going to do whatever I please". She just didn't want to cause any type of scene that would upset her child and thereby upset the magic of the trip.

Not to get nitpickey.....

But if she didn't wish to convey that--she shoudl have omitted this statement IN BOLD:

She said we needed to use church like voices. They don't like noise. I just walked on and almost turned back. Then I thought of the money I had invested in this trip, and I sure wasn't going to let her stop me.

First off--she wasn't stopped...she was advised to keep her child quiet.

The CM didn't say SHUSH or you can't come in. She advised OP to keep the kid quiet in line with the signs.

Since the thougth occurred to her on the trip and then afterwards she takes the time to post it about the money...I assure you...OP did what lots of other people do...I spent money, I will have fun daggone it no matter what the rules are.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It does seem that a few folks did get a little fired up about op comments. I remember reading a couple of days ago a thread on how there has been ALOT of flaming going recently and how we all need to learn how to be a little nicer to each other. The moderator seemed quite upset and was tired of having to edit folks comments and lock threads because of folks flaming other people. Guess we should all take this in to account before we start jumping on the bandwagon.

Agreed.

But often I do post before I read the rest of the thread--so I am rarely rarely joining any bandwagon.

OP had an impression of the CM.

Posters have an impression of the OP.

The only difference--tone of voice is missing on the internet and we can only take the words on the webpage.

You don't want to be "attacked" be careful of the words you use and how they can be misinterpreted.

 

[flortlebap]

If you stand upright, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you advance toward them standing upright, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you look them in the eye, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you vocalize loudly, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you bare your teeth, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
If you move your arms, that is a sign of AGGRESSION.
...

Boy, I would hate to be a chimp! I'd be beaten up on a daily basis

 

[misshilda1]

I absolutely understand that the animals and the Cm's need to be respected and do their job. But again their is a way to do your job without offending someone or disrespecting yourself or your job duties......Again this lady said here child made one sound whether it be a monkey sound or a dog sound he made one sound. According to his mother that is all he. Now if it continued and was out of hand and bothering people than you should work it out to obey the rules not offend others or the animals & Cm's and find a way for your child to still be a part. I just want to know why some people are posting stuff acting like this kid was beating his chest like tarzan and screaming a monkey sound at the top of his lungs...He said aaaaaaaaaahhhhhooo or something like that one time...And again the mother is simply saying I paid too so I also have rights....She's not being a snob and saying I paid so bite me.......This is a place where we as fellow Disney goers come to share our experiences good or bad not to read something and make something out of it it's not!!! Come on people if your kids being a brat as all of our's are at one time or another haul there butt outta there. But if they're not actually doing something then let it go. All this mother has done is post a thread because she felt as if she were disrespected. Some people are more sensitive to what is said to them than others. She was obviously offended and came here with the attitude I need to vent and feel better and my fellow Disney go'ers will understand most have but some have taken it completely out of context..Please people let's get along.. WE gotta share this world together so let's be a team.....Besides Disney is a magical place let's enjoy it..... here's a for everyone posting here.......Good Luck all and regardless of how you feel about this subject I still wish each of you a good time on your next trip