I think Disney should start enforcing end times on fastpasses

[Wadecool]

It's the CIRCLE of...

Immortal words to live by...

 

[seashoreCM]

The Mickey M&G FP's can vary.
They ARE tied to the rest of the FP system in MK.

BUT... they can offer a "get another FP" time that is just a minute or so after you pick up the Mickey FP.

I do not think that it works the "other way" as in, coming to get a Mickey FP after you have just gotten a FP at another MK attraction.
(I'm still trying to get clear info on that.)

Someone will have to try it sometime these next few weeks or months.
Several years ago I tried it the "other way" using Lights Motors (when that show used to have fastpasses) and it did work.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Someone will have to try it sometime these next few weeks or months.
Several years ago I tried it the "other way" using Lights Motors (when that show used to have fastpasses) and it did work.

awesome...and I like your idea in the other thread of just looking over the shoulder to see what's up before I commit to getting one.

What about the using them late part? Are they enforcing the end time with Mickey M&G?

 

[Robo]

why bother having rules and restriction if they are not to be followed.

Exactly what most of us have been saying.

The rule is that you can use a FP at any time the rest of that day after the earliest Return Time has been reached.

The restriction is that you cannot enter the FP queue before the earliest Return Time has been reached.

 

[Wadecool]

My wife always ask me; Do I always have to get the last word in? The answer is yes. I stick by what I said and as Mr. Barnacleboy2 said I'm out.

You heard it here first, he's out.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Immortal words to live by...

now that's a sweet button.

but remember...if ALL of the people use ALL of the FPs late then it wouldn't work.

We NEED some (most) of the people to adhere to the window.

Respect the window. It is your friend.

 

[YodaGirl]

and end time if it is not going to be enforced? Save the ink and save some extra $$$ imagine the cost savings over time.

Next question is if it doesn't hurt things to allow people to use them anytime after their time, why not allow everyone to use them any day after their time?

According to the explanations I read it shouldn't matter when you use them after your set start time.

I wish they would enforce the times as why bother having rules and restriction if they are not to be followed. If you want to push things then Disney should overlook a lot of their other rules they have in place too.

Just one's opinion.

If they are used the same day after the return time, there isn't a change in wait time.

The same reasons don't hold true if it is used the next day.

As for Disney policies...

They do overlook a lot of their rules so as to not rock the boat.
Accepting late fastpasses, is, however, policy.

 

[doconeill]

and end time if it is not going to be enforced? Save the ink and save some extra $$$ imagine the cost savings over time.

Next question is if it doesn't hurt things to allow people to use them anytime after their time, why not allow everyone to use them any day after their time?

According to the explanations I read it shouldn't matter when you use them after your set start time.

I wish they would enforce the times as why bother having rules and restriction if they are not to be followed. If you want to push things then Disney should overlook a lot of their other rules they have in place too.

Just one's opinion.

The first question has been answered in the thread.

The second question I don't believe has been asked yet...but there is a BIG difference in using it a different day. That is because there are only so many given out per day, based on the daily nominal capacity of the attraction. That doesn't change in a given day. However, a different day could be a shorter day, which means the capacity for that day is much lower. Now add a bunch of FPs that were given out during the longer day, and you could actually exceed the capacity of the attraction just in FP use, which makes the standby line go absolutely nowhere. The attraction can no longer absorb some of the natural ebb and flow of the lines, and the Fastpass line begins to back up.

So when you look at the hourly capacity of an attraction, that is a constant throughout the day, but the daily capacity of an attraction is not because the hours it is open is not constant.

Even if it was open the same number of hours, the beneficial effects of late FP use are limited to the day in which the FP was taken, and using it on another day only has adverse effects because you're "saved" position in line was lost when the attraction closed. It's a little more difficult to explain that one...but if the standby line ever empties, the beneficial effect of a late FP is lost...and the standby line always empties at the end of the day.

And besides - it is EXPLICITLY stated that it is only valid on the date printed. There is nothing in the language of a Fastpass that says it can't be used later on the same day...

 

[Wadecool]

now that's a sweet button.

but remember...if ALL of the people use ALL of the FPs late then it wouldn't work.

We NEED some (most) of the people to adhere to the window.

Respect the window. It is your friend.

I don't know about you, but I'll be happy if this continues remain on of the best kept secrets at WDW.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

I don't know about you, but I'll be happy if this continues remain on of the best kept secrets at WDW.

I'm tellin ya...

I always advise people...you must go back during the FP window or it expires

The best place to see Wishes is Tomorrowland

F! never fills up and good seats can be had 5 minutes before showtime.

 

[jiminyfan]

In the article, he indicated that something like fifty percent of all fastpasses were used within their listed time window. Thirty percent were used "late" and twenty percent were never used at all. If what's being reported here is true, that I suspect those percentages might have shifted.

To me it is even easier to understand how it would benefit you. They only accepted the 50% of the people that used them at the sated times, the other 50% of tickets would not be used thus cutting the FP line by 50% which would allow for faster travel through the line. By your account it doesn't matter, but it does. Let's say that everyone who had tickets for an attraction, let's say Soarin' decided to not go until 8:30 pm - then at that time they all rush to the entrance. The wait time for FP would sky-rocket and those individuals who have passes for that time would have be forced to wait in an extended line.
Yes, other times would be shorter waits, but for those who truly belong at their time they are being penalized for following the rules and time periods printed on their FPs.

Anyone can use any argument they want, but the cold hard facts are easy to explain. The more people who enter the line late will make the wait times longer as the FP distribution calculations are (or at least should be) based off of the ride capacities and any other variables Disney needs to make their FP amounts work.

Sorry, I am sure that no one can convince me that the FP line waits would not go down if they disallow for late FPs.

Have a Magical Day!

 

[mom2rtk]

We NEED some (most) of the people to adhere to the window.

Just go when hookedonears goes. We already know they will respect the window!

 

[cigar95]

We NEED some (most) of the people to adhere to the window.

And this line, once again, points out the key point of the entire thread - a good fraction of guests already are using the window, so the self-selection solves the red herring problem of "what if *everyone* came back late?"

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

And this line, once again, points out the key point of the entire thread - a good fraction of guests already are using the window, so the self-selection solves the red herring problem of "what if *everyone* came back late?"

I know.

I think we had this chat on page 14. or 7. or 20.

 

[cigar95]

Let's say that everyone who had tickets for an attraction, let's say Soarin' decided to not go until 8:30 pm - then at that time they all rush to the entrance.

Since this has never happened and it never will happen, it's a red herring . . . . . . .

The wait time for FP would sky-rocket and those individuals who have passes for that time would have be forced to wait in an extended line.
Yes, other times would be shorter waits, but for those who truly belong at their time they are being penalized for following the rules and time periods printed on their FPs.

. . . . .but even if it *weren't* a red herring, it has been explained multiple times earlier in the preceding 27 pages or so why the FP wait is no longer if the holders return "late" than it would have been had they returned "on time". Explained by several different posters, using several different ways of illustrating the same point, and explained irrefutably. Check it out.

 

[Robo]

And this line, once again, points out the key point of the entire thread - a good fraction of guests already are using the window, so the self-selection solves the red herring problem of "what if *everyone* came back late?"

The point is useless to stew about.

Why?

A principle reason guests take a FP is to get to ride a headline attraction SOONER rather than later.

Even if they stopped printing an end time on the Return Window, most guests would come back ASAP.

(We consistently see a gaggle of guests swamping the FP Return entrance awaiting the very second that they can jump into the line to ride.)

And... even if more guests did show up later than the (currently printed) one-hour, they would not "all" show up at once.

There are just a staggering number of guests who, even when you DO offer the biggest and best-kept "secrets of the Kingdom," won't remember to utilize them, or "not bother with such nonsense... we're on VACATION!"

(How many times have you spent a lot of time ((hours?) schooling a relative or friend in the "Inside ways of Disney," only to have them return from the vacation and not have bothered to do 20% of what you so carefully discussed before the trip?)

 

[mmay60046]

Now I'm starting to think this thread will just become troll-bait going forward and might be better served by a moderator closing it now.

No way this thread should be closed. I just read the whole thing and there isn't a single indignant rant about those with FP's feeling more entitled to their entitlements than they are entitled to. Once that happens then feel free to close it.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Sorry, I am sure that no one can convince me that the FP line waits would not go down if they disallow for late FPs.

Maxwell Smart: At the moment, seven Coast Guard cutters are converging on us. Would you believe it?

Mr Big: I find that hard to believe.

Smart: Hmmm . . . Would you believe six?

Mr Big: I don't think so.

Smart: How about two cops in a rowboat?

 

[jiminyfan]

And besides - it is EXPLICITLY stated that it is only valid on the date printed. There is nothing in the language of a Fastpass that says it can't be used later on the same day...

They also clearly state return between a designated start and end time on that date. Or there would be no discussion about using them after a certain time....

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy92/wdwfanboys/2010/02-2010/AnimalKingdom-Fastpass-Dinosaur.jpg

So, using your argument they should not be allowed anytime outside of the stated times. Or be allowed anytime after such stated time........

It is what it is. But, at least have the facts right. And for the Red herring it might have been exaggerated, but even 100 people showing up late with Fps for a time slot would greatly increase the wait time.

 

[doconeill]

Sorry, I am sure that no one can convince me that the FP line waits would not go down if they disallow for late FPs.

Have a Magical Day!

Never said it couldn't have an affect on the FP line. Most people argue about its effect on the standby line.

Yes, a late FP user makes those FP users immediately behind them later - by exactly one person. And that adverse effect doesn't last very long.

And sure, if you want to take an extreme case that EVERYONE used it late and showed up at the EXACT same time, then those behind them will be affected longer. But it would take an amazing concerted effort among EVERY FP taker that day to show up at the same time, and that just isn't going to ever happen.

People have to realize that no matter how big the DISboards are, they are still a very small fraction of the overall guests that visit the parks each year. Let me throw these numbers out there:

There are currently 360,526 registered members on the DISBoards, the largest such community on the Internet.

There were 16,920,000 visitors to just the Magic Kingdom last year.


Even if EVERY SINGLE ONE of them knew and used FP late (and given these threads, that certainly isn't true), and visited the MK once last year (again, certainly not true), that would represent 2.13% of the guests at the MK.