I shouldnt be suprised at this point...

[cardaway]

When you don't want to address a legitimate point, you throw the Bible.

What would you have them do, step up and go on the record with THEIR OWN opinion.

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

ncdisneyfan answered this earlier. Read through his/her posts and you will find it.

I read pages 30-42 over again and it is not there. Please direct me to his.her answer.

You're being pretty dismissive here. Don't YOU have a response? Do you keep Kosher? Do you believe in hymen tests before marriage? (etc. etc.)

 

[MrVisible]

My bf and I share the same kind of cute quirks like that. We can spend 5 hours sitting in a car and talking about the most random things, and we have the best time doing it. Or we enjoy checking out new developments (also starting the search to buy our first new home in 12-16 months from now), or going to Home Depot and looking at landscape lights, or Pier One to look at furniture. It's what being in love is all about! and I don't let people like Joe or Discernment keep me from being happy.

Speaking of office supplies, I also love to find cool new organizing things in Staples, as I'll be there tomorrow for more post it flags for my CPA review textbook.

Congrats and best of luck int he future!

(sorry for the OT)

You should have seen us a couple of weeks ago when we got to Ikea for the first time. We were like five-year-olds at their first Toys-R-Us.

And don't worry, the likes of these folks don't upset me. This is a hobby. Like picking scabs. Probably not good for me, but downright addictive.

Thanks for the good thoughts, and the same right back at you.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Originally Posted by JoeEpcotRocks
See the Bible then -- God's Word speaks for itsself.

Trying to pass off your own fallibility in interpreting the bible as God's infallibility again are we?

 

[LuluLovesDisney]

What would you have them do, step up and go on the record with THEIR OWN opinion.

But then when I ask about *other* things in the Bible, they ignore that. They don't want to talk about the Bible, either apparently.

 

[Zim]

from the OT

I managed to read up to page 16 before my eyes crossed and my dd8 wiped the drool from my chin bringing me back to reality. But in that moment of comfortable numbness I had an epiphany! It occurred to me that discern’s issue is the correlation between homosexual drive and pedophilia. Well, it logically follows from that, of course, that heterosexual drive must also have a correlation with pedophilia. And then it hit me like a 2-ton anvil – Catholic schoolgirl uniforms! You find them in every adult costume store right next to the French maid and the low cut nurse’s uniform! If that’s not a blatant example of a subset of heterosexual deviant men panting after the idea of sex with young girls, I don’t know what is. So obviously the problem isn’t a homosexual one, it’s male sexual drive in general! So, as a modest proposal, I’d like to suggest castration as a means of quelling these abominable innate patterns so prolific in our society!

Now, now, I know what you’re thinking, what about the whole be fruitful and multiple bit, Zim? I’ve thought of that too, and overpopulation arguments aside, it’s as simple as extraction and storage. We can further capitalize on the growing business of the reproductive banks! Just a simple extraction (or two or three if you’re Catholic) and a minimal monthly storage fee, and you’ve got your brood for future use without those pesky, inappropriate drives mucking things up. And just think of all the new jobs that would create! You’re looking at a whole new frontier in husbandry! At-home cryogenic storage facilities would be the next logical step, teaching men to be very responsible at a young age – kind of like seahorses! Let’s face it, we’re letting boys today retain their childhood way too long anyway.

So, essentially, at the age of legal adulthood, be it 14 in Belgium or 18 in the States, a few withdrawals for future children and then snip and you’re set! No need to worry about inappropriate behavior as a result of either innate drives or environmentally developed behaviors! Can you imagine the staggering drop in crime rates? It would put an end to so many violent debates – there would be no need for pro-choice / pro-child – you know she chose it, she went to the bank! I think this would even work in favor of marriage! People will be thinking with the head on their shoulders when they contemplate the business of marriage. There might even come a time where there are more crimes committed by women per capita than men! I’m really just not seeing a downside here, anyone? And don’t worry about us women, the growing consensus has been that we really haven’t needed you guys for a while now anyhow. Nothing a few oysters and batteries can’t fix!

 

[NewJersey]

What would you have them do, step up and go on the record with THEIR OWN opinion.

It's such a rarity these days finding people that even form their own opinions, especially right wing Christians.

I grew up and learned to question what I was taught and it worked.

 

[Saxsoon]

Hi Saxoon...Jews don't believe in Original sin..That we are born sinner. However we all have an inclination to sin. Animal sacrifices were one way to atone for one sort of sin, Unintentonal sins against G-d.

Certain Mitzvahs (commandments) are for certain groups..Som eare for men,some for women, some for preists,some to be done in the temple etc.. Most commandments are positive ones, like eating Matzoh durng passover or building a sukkah during succot... One isn't *sinning* if they don't build a succah..My comment was directed at that idea that an innocent baby is born sinfull..In the Jewish POV they are not

Hey Jenny. I am not sure if you saw it, but I had went and added a link to that post. It does mention something about Genesis 8:21. It talked about original sin and among other things that I can't remember. Maybe I am just misinterpreting it and seeing it in a way I want to see it. Could you look at it and give me some feedback on it. And thank you for that insight.

Boy did this thread explode in speed.

 

[MrVisible]

So, as a modest proposal, I’d like to suggest castration as a means of quelling these abominable innate patterns so prolific in our society!

Sarcasm, biting wit, and hyperbole with a Swift reference thrown in to boot. I'm laughing my butt off and impressed, simultaneously.

Good show!

 

[JennyMominRI]

Hey Jenny. I am not sure if you saw it, but I had went and added a link to that post. It does mention something about Genesis 8:21. It talked about original sin and among other things that I can't remember. Maybe I am just misinterpreting it and seeing it in a way I want to see it. Could you look at it and give me some feedback on it. And thank you for that insight.

Boy did this thread explode in speed.

Here is the Jewish view of this with references
The words "Original Sin" don't exist in the Bible or Jewish writings. The "fall" of Adam was an interpretation formed sometime after the Exile and return of the Jews to Judea. This is the heart of Christian theology as taught by Paul. Jesus was some kind of human/deity sacrifice to make up for the alleged "sin" of Adam where mankind became mortal as punishment for Adam. Quoting Paul,

Rom. 5:12, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"

Rom. 5:19, "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners"

1 Cor. 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

No amount of hype or theological double-talk changes the fact this whole concept is immoral and unjust. Punishing millions of people for the acts of one is irrational. The concept of Original Sin is unsupported in the Jewish scriptures:

Deut. 24:16, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

2 Kings 14:6, But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

Ezek. 18:20 "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

Ezek.33:20, "Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways."

Jer. 31:29-30 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge."

 

[MrVisible]

Well, the Wonder Twins seem to have scarpered, so I'm off to bed. I'll be back bright and early for another exciting episode of "Refute the Same Old Arguments One...More...TIME!"

Night!

 

[nuttylawprofessor]

Just throwing a party for all those that have earned their ears on this thread.

 

[salmoneous]

The Bible is still THE book for the topic of God's love and the clear rules He guides His children with.

So, Joe, the Bible says that we should stone to death any bride found to not be a virgin. Do you believe we should do that?

Or, to pick a more topical note, the Bible tells us that, "The alien who resides among you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt". Do you believe that is how we should treat illegal aliens?

Or do you think there is some weasel way out of ignoring those passages, but no weasel ways out of hating homosexuality?

 

[NewJersey]

Just throwing a party for all those that have earned their ears on this thread.

I easily racked up 100 posts responding to these nut cases.

 

[salmoneous]

What I don't understand is how a Christian church official is going to say that Homosexuality is okay when the bible states that it is an abomination, marriage is between one woman and one man, and fornication is a sin. Is this person choosing to ignore those parts of the bible?

Understand that every Christian church accepts things that appear to be clearly forbidden in the Bible. They either just ignore the topic (hate to keep harping on this point, but when's the last time you heard a Christian church stone a bride who was found to not be a virgin) or go through big hand-waiving exercises to explain why a particular verse doesn't mean what it says or doesn't apply to them.

Go into your church and I expect you will see women with cut hair, uncovered heads, wearing jewelry, speaking, teaching Bible study classes and asking questions. If you read your Bible, you'll see all of these things forbidden. How do the heads of those Churches ignore those parts of the Bible?

Well, they don't really ignore them. They make excuses and find other verses that say something different, and come to the conclusion that it's OK to ignore what the Bible *seems* to be saying.

Those some techniques can be applied to most points as to what is right and wrong, including homosexuality. This is nothing new. People came to Christ and asked about nitpicky points in the law. Paul was constantly dealing with churches that were having debates over the fine points of what was acceptable.

Both Christ and Paul gave the same message. Yes, all the rules should be followed. But that is impossible. What is really important is to love God and your fellow man. What is really important is belief in Christ who washes away all sin.

 

[cardaway]

Go into your church and I expect you will see women with cut hair, uncovered heads, wearing jewelry, speaking, teaching Bible study classes and asking questions.

Maybe not. There are plenty that keep some of those rules alive, and based on what I have seen in the past, the folks defending treating gays as second class citizens might very well be in the churches that still treat women that way as well.

 

[RickinNYC]

Its more than caring about who shares a bed. It has to do with incrementalism.

Oh my God! 82 posts out of 151 in total. Discernment, you're making yourself look INCREDIBLY obsessive and not just a little ridiculous right now.

54.3% of your total posts are ALL anti-gay this and that.

I know I'm not the only one who is beginning to wonder what is up with that.

 

[discernment]

Oh my God! 82 posts out of 151 in total. Discernment, you're making yourself look INCREDIBLY obsessive and not just a little ridiculous right now.

54.3% of your total posts are ALL anti-gay this and that.

I know I'm not the only one who is beginning to wonder what is up with that.

Obsessive? Who is tracking my posts and content? Of course that wouldnt be considered obsessive.


Either way you are going to comment. If I dont reply, I am a coward and if i do respond I am obsessive and a closet homosexual.

I guess it really pissed you off that I debunked your lies and half truths that you posted about Exodus because you turned away from the topic and started focusing on me.

But when you dont have anything of value to add, I guess the best thing is to attack the poster.

I will look forward to your updates about my post activity. It is very enthralling.

 

[RickinNYC]

Obsessive? Who is tracking my posts and content? Of course that wouldnt be considered obsessive.


Either way you are going to comment. If I dont reply, I am a coward and if i do respond I am obsessive and a closet homosexual.

I guess it really pissed you off that I debunked your lies and half truths that you posted about Exodus because you turned away from the topic and started focusing on me.

But when you dont have anything of value to add, I guess the best thing is to attack the poster.

I will look forward to your updates about my post activity. It is very enthralling.

Okie doke!

83 of 152!

54.6% and counting!

And you didn't debunk anything. Exodus International was founded by two "ex" gay men who then realized the error of their ways, came out of the closet and become lovers.

I met them dude. ETA, sorry, I met one of them. His partner (the other founder) has since passed away.

So, gimme another post so I can keep counting!

 

[singingpixie]

I am a Christian, and it really hurts me to see people use "Christianity" as a weapon against other people. Personally, I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin that would condemn someone to hell... but if it is, that's God's business. God is perfect, but people, ALL people, Christian or Agnostic or what have you, make mistakes. Because we are failable, I'm leaving the judgement of souls to God. All we can do is go out and love people, and spread that love so that people hear the story of Jesus. Yes, as a Christian, I believe that acceptance of Christ is what leads to heaven. Jesus accepted all people, even those that the religious society declared unclean sinners. Who are we to go against that? It is possible to be a Christian and openminded. By realizing that you're human and some things are just bigger than you, you can do God's work without becoming the person who pushes people away from God.