I shouldnt be suprised at this point...

[ncdisneyfan]

UGH!!! For the zillionith time: Show me irrefutable medical and/or scientific proof that homosexuality is inborn.

Do you discount people who have turned from their homosexual lifestyles?

And why do people choose to enter a lifestyle choice in which they will experience hardships? I dont know. Why do we all make choices that we know will result in harmful consequences? Is it because we give into our fleshly desires and inborn sin nature and then rationalize and justify our sinful acts? Perhaps.

Exactly. What about those who have "switched" back to heterosexual? Are they now "confused", when they used to be "normal"? How do you classify these people who will tell you that it was a mistake, that they regret it, that they sinned? B/c it's them saying it, not us!

And good point about the fact that we ALL make choices that we know will result in harmful consequences, b/c we are human and give in to sinful desires and then rationalize it. That's it, in a nutshell.

 

[cardaway]

Sound a little familiar to you, little buddy?

Speaking of discernment sounding familiar.

http://disboards.com/search.php?searchid=3271001

 

[ncdisneyfan]

I think these "cured" homosexuals are just suppressing their desires and living a lie.

Interesting. Just like many Christians believe that "non-cured" homosexuals are suppressing the truth and living in sin.

 

[discernment]

Discernment, I find the following quote rather interesting don't you?



http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1148921&page=2&pp=15

Sound a little familiar to you, little buddy?

I find it rather baffling that, on one hand, you are placing judgement upon an entire community of men and women in the world, but on the other hand, you are playing the "whine" game when it comes to one person who is a drug addict.

You're "discussion" against homosexuality no longer holds a single ounce of water due to your complete absence of credibility.

That quote you posted was part of an ongoing discussion between me & eclectics. I was showing eclectics where they make judgements as well
Of course you pulled it out of context to somehow support some warped point of view.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged". Sorry, I guess Christianity has changed since I was taught judgement isn't a attribute a Christian should aspire to.

Have you studied that passage in its context & entirety? Read:

http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue94.htm

Christians should practice judgement in all areas of their lives. They should aspire to having good judgement when it comes to false teachers that would try and lead them astray. Without practicing "judgement" then how does one distinguish good from bad, right from wrong? Biblical from non-biblical?

I see nothing wrong with "judging" homosexuality as a sin. Read the bible study above about judging. Its the manner in which the judgement takes place not whether or not we shoudl or not.

SO in the future when you dont know the context of my repsonse to another please refrain from trying to make a point. Otherwise it hurts YOUR credibility.

BUT nice try

 

[RickinNYC]

Interesting. Just like many Christians believe that "non-cured" homosexuals are suppressing the truth and living in sin.

Dude, your posts seem to remind me strongly of another DIS'er who was from North Carolina and also had the same views like yours. But mysteriously vanished when you accidently admitted to being gay and having chosen to live hetersexual. Hmmmmm....

How's your golf game?

 

[Saxsoon]

Like I said before, what is it any of your right to say what these "cured" gays are living a lie. Like there is no medical evidence of a "gay gene", there is no evidence to denounce this claim.

 

[RickinNYC]

That quote you posted was part of an ongoing discussion between me & eclectics. I was showing eclectics where they make judgements as well
Of course you pulled it out of context to somehow support some warped point of view.

I see nothing wrong with "judging" homosexuality as a sin. Read the bible study above about judging. Its the manner in which the judgement takes place not whether or not we shoudl or not.

SO in the future when you dont know the context of my repsonse to another please refrain from trying to make a point. Otherwise it hurts YOUR credibility.

BUT nice try

First, in terms of pulling things out of context to suit one's argument, I did it to you once with that one quote. You do it with the entire Bible. I would never deign to do that.

Second, at least you admit to judging and using the Bible as a weapon, thanks.

Third, I did know your context and will post appropriately.

And nice try to you to little buddy. Your crediblity is still in complete and total tatters.

 

[oelpa]

i don't get discernment's problem, he thinks homosexuality is a sin. Fine for him, why does he have to bother others with that. I mean look at the world how it changes and how people start accepting that homosexuality is normal and nothing to fear about. And someday it will be completely accepted even if individuals like discernement will be mordified but who cares. Despite their irrational believes tolerance for homosexuals will grow and there is nothing people like discernment can do about it. In a few years gay marriage and child adoption will be widely legalized at least in Europe, poor discernment will your world crumple then? Well and if books like "i have 2 daddies" are read to children, i think that's great and if i would get my hands on one i would definitely read it to my littel nephew. You can't start soon enough to get a child on our side, can't you

so discernment go find yourself an island.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Same old dance, same old dancers. I wish there was a vomit smilie. God loves ALL of His children. It's terrible that people claim hatred in His love. No better than islamic terrorists claiming Allah.

Maybe we should discuss what the bible says about divorce and those who are divorced. After all, it is listed as a sin.

 

[discernment]

Speaking of discernment sounding familiar.

http://disboards.com/search.php?searchid=3271001

Nice try. Why dont you PM the mods and admins and check IPs here.

I know it is hard for you to grasp but there are others that feel the same way I do. But of course in your world, it must be the same person. It will be interesting though what you come up with next.

BTW...did you ever define "hate speak" for me?

 

[cardaway]

Same old dance, same old dancers.

It's really 2funny2c.

http://disboards.com/search.php?searchid=3271126

 

[discernment]

It's really 2funny2c.

http://disboards.com/search.php?searchid=3271126

WOW, maybe its Jimmy Hoffa.

 

[cardaway]

WOW, maybe its Jimmy Hoffa.

Hoffa? I thought you were past your hokie stage.

http://disboards.com/search.php?searchid=3271169

 

[cardaway]

:No better than islamic terrorists claiming Allah.

They think they are different because they don't act their hate.

At least I hope they don't.

 

[ncdisneyfan]

My brother did not 'choose' his lifestyle. In fact, if you ask him, he would say he would do just about anything to be considered 'normal'. He tried the hetero lifestyle. Said it made him feel the same way I would feel about spending my life with a woman..not great, that's not my lifestyle. Do I think that my brother is condemned to an eternity in hell? Nope. I think God knows him, and his struggle.

God does know him, and his struggle, that is true. God loves him, that is true. God hates sin, that is true. The Bible says it is sin, that is true. Therefore God hates that sin, that is true. But he loves the sinner, that is true. And the sinner can repent and be completely forgiven, that is true. But it needs to be asked for, and you must repent, that is true.

What the Espicopal Church does is of no consequence to anyone other than Episcopalians.....stop saying it matters to you if you aren't a member of the church in question.

Incorrect, according to the Bible.

Choose a church that comes close to the same beliefs you have...plain and simple.

A better plan would be to align your beliefs with the Bible's, then find a church that has done the same.

Seems to be plenty of 'church shopping' going on. If you don't like what the newly elected PB says, move on. Don't start quoting verses from the Bible to me. We can all go there. Doesn't matter one iota to me. I believe what I believe.

It SHOULD matter to any Christian, what the Bible has to say. In fact, that should be the basis for ANY Christian's beliefs, Episcopalian or otherwise.

You are not going to change my very firm foundations.

If your foundations are not based on the Bible, I would hope that if you are a Christian, YOU would want to change them.

Perhaps we are all wrong and we'll be sent to purgatory by God, because we 'ignored' His word. I don't think that's going to happen, but I guess it's possible. But, again, that's my belief. You don't have to have the same ones.

Based on this, are YOU even sure of what you believe? You don't even talk with absolute certainty about it, and the Bible says we can be sure of our salvation, and sure of many other things. Are you sure of what you believe, and why? Just curious...

I don't think there is anything worse than those who spout their beliefs as the only correct ones, making comments on others contrary beliefs. Last time I checked, this was the United States of America and I'm free to choose whatever I choose to believe. You don't have to like it, or to agree with it anymore than I have to agree with or like your particular beliefs.

When it comes to religion and eternity, it pays to be right. And if people aren't convinced enough about the truth of their own beliefs to say they're right, how convinced are they themselves?

I choose to depend on God to decide who is right and who is wrong, in that final judgement. If I've gotten it wrong, oh well, I tried to do the right thing.

You've got that right, God will be the final judge, to be sure. And at that point, if you've gotten it wrong, an "Oh well, I tried to do the right thing" is unfortunately going to fall way short. All, of course, according to the Bible.

 

[discernment]

Hoffa? I thought you were past your hokie stage.

http://disboards.com/search.php?searchid=3271169

Just so I can keep track. I am numbersman, hokie, and 2funny2c. Am i anyone else? Sybil?

Give it a rest. I see when you run out of any reasonable thing to add you go for the personal attack.

Say it with me....typicla liberal tactic

 

[ncdisneyfan]

Dude, your posts seem to remind me strongly of another DIS'er who was from North Carolina and also had the same views like yours. But mysteriously vanished when you accidently admitted to being gay and having chosen to live hetersexual. Hmmmmm....

How's your golf game?

That may be, can't speak to that. I will definitively state, for the record, that I am not now, nor have I ever been, gay. Just so nobody can ever say down the road something different.

And I don't golf, too expensive and too much time. Basketball and running are much more fun, and a lot cheaper, too!!

 

[goofygirl]

If your life desire was to NOT have children, and you chose not to, and didn't, we thank you for not bringing unwanted children into the world. That, at least, was realizing what you didn't want and being sure to avoid it, and for that I would say "good job."

And for the record, no therapist, or anyone, for that matter, could convince me to not be a Christian. I would die before I renounced my Savior.

Not everyone would say "good job" though. There have been cases of people like me being pressured to go to therapy by those who think lack of desiring children is "abnormal". The religious "right" is very big on being "fruitful and multiplying", therefore they see both childless by choice AND homosexuality as "abnormal".


If someone is gay and their desire is to be with someone of the same gender rather than live a lie which drags a wife and children into the lie, then I say "good job" to them for being honest.

 

[ncdisneyfan]

Same old dance, same old dancers. I wish there was a vomit smilie. God loves ALL of His children. It's terrible that people claim hatred in His love. No better than islamic terrorists claiming Allah.

Maybe we should discuss what the bible says about divorce and those who are divorced. After all, it is listed as a sin.

Ouch, divorce, that should be a fun one. I'll steer away from that one...

But, to be sure, I NEVER said, nor do I believe, that God doesn't love everybody. I absolutely believe He does. He doesn't hate, and neither do I, anybody individually. He just doesnt' like sin. I would say I don't either, but I sin each and every day, so it really gives me no room to say I don't like it either.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

NCdisneyfan sounds a lot like Hokie Pokie with telling Christians they aren't real Christians.