I REALLY need some advice/harsh words/a reality check...

I think this is the key...I DON'T love myself because I keep thinking "What did I do wrong? Should I not have done/said XYZ, and then he'd still want me?" Vicious circle, I know.

:hug:

Darlin'...YOU have nothing you could have done better to keep him from being a creep. From what you have told us...he isn't an upstanding guy at all. I'm sure you might have some rebuttals about something he has done or says that disproved this. But it seems he has much more that do prove that.

You seem to be in rebound status...something he is settling for because he couldn't have what he wanted...even though he still wants it. It isn't you...it his him.

You'll run yiurself ragged trying to do anythin and everything so that you will be the one he wants to be with. And since you cannot turn yourself into B---it is time to kick him to the curb.

Go find someone who DESIRES to be with you because they desire you. Don't date men who are "settling" on you as the consolation prize.


I hope that didn't hurt too much...I'm only giving you what you asked.:hug:
 
Argh...I KNOW in my heart that I have to do this, but he's told me that I helped him through an extremely difficult personal time in his life (and I know I did. It just felt nice to be appreciated...). Phone calls, talks, crying on both parts, texts, just being there for him...it'll be so, SO hard to cut things off... but you're right...plus, I'm probably moving away within 1 year. He can't go anywhere because of his kids.



Don't hear just what you want to hear...that's good advice. If I HAD followed that back in September, I wouldn't be here right now! I heard from him (i.e. back in September) "I'm not in love with you and never will be. We’ll never be more than friends. I'll pack up your stuff, or you can come get it. I'll be looking for someone else eventually, but we're never going to go any further than this". What I CHOSE to hear was "I'm emotionally vulnerable right now, and need your shoulder to lean on, even though I'm dumping you". I'm an idiot...



You ARE an idiot. :headache:

Pick up your stuff and don't ever talk to him again. Good luck. :hug:
 
Can I ask how old you are? You sound like a very young girl to me who hasn't learned the ropes yet. I don't know what tone to use answering you until I know whether you are being naive or in denial so I don't know whether I should be supportive or 'tough love'.

I guess either way the truth is this man is using you. He is plainly not interested in you on an emotional level because he keeps seeking out other women for this purpose. The fact he was upset the other woman got engaged to someone else shows his heart was tied up there. Now the mini vaca means he is looking to 'bond' with a new woman. Whatever emotional link you think is there is not there. He told you he doesn't love you so his conscience won't bother him as he continues to use you. He may well be the sort of man who would continue to use you even after he is married.

I don't think you should make this about your self esteem. Not every couple is a match and that doesn't mean you aren't love worthy. It just means you aren't 'the one' for him. If you are not 'the one' for him then he is not 'the one' for you. If you can't fully appreciate this reality then you really need to focus on repairing yourself before you allow anyone else into your heart.

If you want some good advice here it is. Have affairs with your heart but ONLY fall in love when your head tells you a guy is worthy. NEVER EVER marry someone unless your head and heart are in agreement. Your heart will lie to you, but your head won't.
 
You indicated you suffer from anxiety and depression - are you on medication for that? If not, you definetly need to get working on YOU before you introduce any "boyfriend" into your life. Like others have stated - you, you and you need to come first right now in your life.

As for schmuck - yes he was honest about how he felt about you but yet he kept having a physical relationship with you. He even had you over for HIS companionship. Just because he was honest about it doesn't make it any less wrong of him. You have GOT to cut ties with him - COMPLETELY!!!!
 

Drop his sorry *** like the piece of c--p he is. He is a liar and a cheat. Once a liar and a cheat, always a liar and cheat.
And, in your own best interest, you should get yourself tested for STDs.
 
As a nurse who works in women's health I totally second PP's advice about getting yourself tested now. Then definitely don't go back there with him afterwards! I have a dear friend who was with a creep for 5 yrs. She now has herpes for the rest of her life b/c he cheated on her.
That being said, Stop letting him drag you down. He knows you well enough to know you will beat yourself up and be right back there when he calls! If he can keep you around, he'll do whatever it takes b/c he probably needs a "comfort person" that he can always go back to. It isn't good for either of you!
My rx for you is to take a trip to Disney and rediscover the princess inside!!! Everyone needs a great excuse to go to Disney.. now you have one!!;)
 
Just read your own post. Sorry but the sooner you do it, the sooner you will be happy.
 
It may feel like more to you, but you are just friends with benefits to him. You really need to completely cut any and all ties with him.
 
I think this is the key...I DON'T love myself because I keep thinking "What did I do wrong? Should I not have done/said XYZ, and then he'd still want me?" Vicious circle, I know.

If someone doesn't love you, you can't make them. Listen to that Bonnie Raitt song, over and over...you can't make his heart feel something it won't.

We can't turn ourselves inside out so that someone loves us. If we've done that, we can never be relaxed. Because they don't love US, they love the image. And who knows if they would actually love the true us.

The best you can do is to find yourself, BE yourself, and enjoy knowing yourself. Someone here has a sig line that goes something like....be yourself...those that matter won't mind, and those that mind don't matter.



It will only get rougher from this point on and you will only get hurt worse.


Absolutely. Because look at all he's done to you so far, all he's said...and you're STILL willing to be with him. How much more brutal will he have to get, until you get the heck away from him?



He had you over with his kids, when he KNEW that you weren't "the one" at all. That's scummy. He's messing with you and he's messing with his kids. That should show you what kind of person he is. He shouldn't be showing anyone but the most serious relationships to his kids. Yeah, I know, you've been thinking "see? see? he SAYS these things, but then he DOES these other things..." Believe what he is SAYING. Because what he's doing is cruddy.

Wasn't there a poster the other week who found out that she'd been replaced when she called her boyfriend's ex to ask if they could have the kids? And the ex called back to let her know that she'd been told that there was a new g'friend? You don't want to be that person...

But is that how brutal it's going to have to be?



Listen, anyone who has been in a relationship, or something that seems like a relationship, has those little things. Those things that feel vital. Those things where the loss of them feelings like losing your soul.

I promise you...once you move on, and get some time and distance, you will see that those things, those moments...are just blips in time. If those shows are important to you, you'll continue to watch them. Or you'll move on from the shows and your life will actually go on.

He obviously has his little "things" with the ex, too. Since you foud the rejected gift for her, you know this. She's moved on. He's obviously a very clever gift-giver, and that's fun. But what's more important? Getting gifts from this scummy dude, or finding a GOOD relationship with a nice dude?



From 28ish to 30 I was "seeing" this guy. Ugh. Our relationship started before his last one ended, which wasn't all that bright of me, but it happened. And then he just strung me along. Started dating in August. Took us awhile to "come out" about our "relationship", and once we did we were off, on, off, on. He invited me to his friends' July 4th party. The morning of, he called to say that I couldn't go. Why? Because I'm vegetarian and it bugged him that i wouldn't eat what his friends ate. Of course, something like 1/3 of his friends are vegetarian, and they ALWAYS had veggie dogs etc, so I didn't even have to make myself look weird by bringing something (he hated when I did that), I could just blend. That was embarrassing. Next month, just before our "anniversary" he called to say that our camping trip was off, that we had to break up, because he'd tried to cheat on me the night before, and that meant we shouldn't be together. And then later we were back "on". We broke up so often we stopped telling friends that we were back together. Went back into hiding. :headache:

In one of our last "offs" he thought I had something of his, but it was in the trunk of his car, but I thought I should make him suffer, and refused to answer the door or phone. And then he almost got me kicked out of my apt building because he went onto the fire exit stairs, to yell into my window as I slept. It was a STRICT rule that no one was allowed out there unless it was a fire, and that included friends and family. It went on and on, and the breakups got nastier and nastier.

It wasn't fun. We had our own little things...our little rituals, things we watched, etc. The ONLY one I remember now is Jack in the Box french toast sticks. I remember that b/c they were yummy enough to eat after he was gone from my life. And now I remember them b/c they helped pack on the pounds! But all those other little things...they weren't even important enough for me to remember anymore.

Our relationship finally fizzled, and it was b/c I'd had enough, truly felt that I was done. And then I met now-DH. The ex called once more, to invite me over for a late night. Well I was getting ready for a date, and told him so...when he said that just b/c I was dating someone seriously it didn't mean WE couldn't date (I might have been the "other woman", but I have never cheated on someone I am dating and wasn't planning to start), I just laughed, said goodbye, and hung up. That was that.


Stuff happened in our relationship that was worse than what I've said. When I just wouldn't go away, his breakups with me got meaner and nastier. NOT FUN.


Don't let it get that far. Let it fizzle out. Oh, this guy and I had the "box of stuff" that went back and forth. I let it just sit in a box, and when we'd see each other again I'd take it back to his place. When we were off, he'd leave it on his porch. It was ridiculous. I have NO clue what was even IN that box.

So get your stuff or don't, but this guy just isn't that into you, and he's told you so repeatedly.

To quote yet another person...when someone is telling you who they are, PAY ATTENTION.
 
I dont have any harsh words..I am just sad for you:hug: nothing we say is going to stop you...YOU have to have enough.I have not been through this...my biggest flaw? PRIDE I have to much of it.
 
This is going to sound strange coming from me if you knew me IRL but you need to be on your own, absolutely with no man around to distract you and learn to make yourself happy on your own. Those with the most successful second long term relationships that I have known didn't just hop from one guy to the next. I got married at 18 FWIW and am stilll married. For the longest time I looked at my DH to make me happy all the time. My grandma told me I had to find the things that make me happy and fulfilled and not rely on any one person to fill that void. I have seen so many women hang their entire lives on their husbands or boyfriends and it just makes me so sad for them. My MIL was married over 30 years until my FIL passed on, they only did what he wanted to do, she didn't go to church they rarely vacationed, she almost never met with friends etc. She said she was happy because she had him and hell if he wasn't her whole damn life. But he died and all of a sudden there was this new lady a world travler, a conosuier of the arts, a volunteer at church and part of a ladies dinner group. She did everything she never got to do while she was married and is IMHO so much happier even though she talks lovingly about my FIL.

She now has a new boyfriend that doesn't seem to smother or control her and she still does her own thing. My husband and I don't like him much (nothing he has done, just nothing in common with him) but he seems to be good for her. But she had to be on her own for awhile to learn what she wanted to do and how she wanted to live her life.


So anyway break it off and take care of you before you start worrying about what you are or aren't doing to get and keep a man. If you get all your self esteem from a relationship even if it is a good one I don't see good things happening for you.
 
I spent enough years when I was younger tied up in bad relationships. I took the position of not believing the words but believing the actions. Therefore, I stuck around for 5 years in a relationship with a man who was ashamed and embarrased to be with me, who didn't want anyone to know we were dating, etc. But I decided to trust his actions, since he seemed to want to be with me. We broke up, he started dating someone else, and I even went over to drive him somewhere where he was meeting her, since his car was out of service. How dumb was I? We eventually got back together until I finally walked out, deciding I was going to finally believe all the words he'd been spouting all those years.

In reading your posts, I agree it's time you had a little respect for yourself and decide that you don't need to be in a relationship (if you even want to call it that) with someone like this. If you really wanted just a "friends with benefits" relationship, fine. We all need that from time to time. But if you think it's more and he doesn't, then it's never going to work.

However, I can't totally agree with others who say he's awful, a scum, a user. Heck, he told you, in absolute detail, that you were not the one, that he was putting his profile back up, that he was dating others, yet YOU STILL WENT BACK. You made that choice. How many times do we women need to be told that if you offer a man free sex, he'll take it and not think twice? You were giving him exactly what he wanted (someone to hang out with, have sex with, etc) and you required no commitment at all. Why would he turn it down? Why does that make him scum or a user? He's simply a weak man.

So rather than keep asking yourself what YOU did to make him not love you, or what did YOU do wrong, look at the picture as a whole. It's not going to change. He's not going to have a change of heart and realize that you are THE ONE. It's not going to happen.

So you have to decide what you want for your life. I know all about low self esteem, feeling bad about yourself, never believing you deserve better. And you know what...you can get over it. You have to decide what YOU want out of your life. What makes YOU happy. What you want from other people. Then you have to go and get it.

I definitely agree with taking some time alone. Jumping from one relationship into another is a recipe for disaster. Yes, it's hard to be alone. It sucks. But you know what, there are positives too. You don't have to answer to anyone. You don't have to ask permission for anything (not that anyone really has to ask, but you know what I mean). You can do what makes you happy, find things that interest you. And eventually, you discover who you are and what makes you happy, and you give off a confidence and sense of strength that others will pick up on and respect.

RESPECT. This is a key word. You simply do not respect yourself. You need to get there first. Look yourself in the mirror and ask if you like who and what you see. If not, that's your first step. Keep saying "I am a worthy person. I don't deserve this." Over and over.

Then walk away from this relationship. It's not worth it anymore. He doesn't want it, so why do you?
 
I need to talk with other people who've been/are being strung along by an ex/fling/SO, whatever. Don't be afraid to pull punches; I know I can count on DISers to tell me what they REALLY think!

VERY short version of a longer story: SO separated from his ex-wife in July 2007. Started talking to a woman (B) at work. Began a relationship with her in Fall 2008. She "broke it off" (this is important later) in very late 2008/very early 2009. I met SO online in mid-Jan. 2009. We started a relationship, but he admitted to me that he still had feelings for B and still talked, texted a LOT, e-mailed her, etc. (I know, I know. I should have jumped ship here, but I had had a very, VERY hard situation in Summer 2008 and needed to know that someone "wanted" me).

They had a "falling-out" in May 2009, and he didn't communicate with her (that I know of :rolleyes:) until August. In September, we had a pretty emotional "talk". He was going to let me get all my things from his place (I didn't move in, but had a "drawer" and some stuff scattered around). He wasn't in love with me, didn't have those feelings, and didn't feel "it". He wanted to move on and find someone else.

Here's where I know I'm going to get the "I told you so's" (:), and that's OK, I deserve them!!!)- we continued seeing each other regularly until the end of May. My stuff was still there, and we were getting along great. I KNOW for a FACT that he and B were NOT going to get back together (she got engaged, and HE was too hurt by what SHE had done to him). He sent me an e-mail at the beginning of June that stated "Just to let you know, I put my profile back up on Plenty of Fish". At least he was honest, right? And we kept talking, and getting together..he invited me over when he had the kids, and we watched "our" TV shows...up until 10 days or so ago. That's when he went back to work after vacation. He's had a couple dates with a woman since then, and they’re going on a mini-vacation (2 or 3 days) next weekend, but that's another post entirely...

Am I a complete idiot? How do I sever emotional and physical ties with someone who was such a big part of my life for a year and a half? DID he string me along? Is it my fault for getting myself into this emotional mess? :sad2:

I really don't know what to do...well, I do...I told him tonight, point blank "We've continued to be physical long after we said we weren't going to. You've invited me over to watch our shows, and it has continued. If you're going to go away with this woman this weekend, chances are that you'll be physical with her. I am NOT going to keep visiting you and being physical with you if you're going to be physical with someone else". That was hard for me to do, since I admit I'm an insecure person when it comes to guys. I STILL wonder what I did so that he doesn't love me...:guilty:

If you're still reading, thank you :hug:. I'll try and answer each and every question honestly, if there are any. I just need someone other than family (and my psychologist; I suffer from depression and anxiety on top of all of this!) to sort of sound off on. :flower3:


P.S.- For Christmas he got me a toll bridge pass (they're not cheap here!), a "The Office" (one of our shows) bobble head, a Sudoku book (I'm absolutely addicted), and some of our favorite candy. I LOVED the gift, but then I came across the gift he had given B and that she had rejected (and that he for some reason kept and stuffed behind some other stuff in the garage). $75, $25 and $10 gift certificates, a snow globe, and some assorted items that had meant something to them when they were together (Tic Tacs, peanut butter crackers. etc.). THAT made me mad, yet I STILL continued to see him...:sad2:

Resident DIS Psyche is in.....5 cents please.:lmao:

Here is the thing in a nutshell...

You are creating this situation to NOT get yourself together. As long as you stay with this guy, you do not have to go out and have another life.

Living with nuttiness is easier, more fun, drama, etc. It makes for an exciting distraction.

You have to decide when you are ready to move onto the next stage of your life and then do it. When you make that leap, your FWB will have to go.

You are in charge of yourself and your life. You are just driving it into the ground instead of a safe and steady path.

:hug:
 
I want you to print this out and tape it to your mirror.


"Remember, if you can't love yourself, how'n the *** you goin' love somebody else? Can I get an Amen up in here?"
~ RuPaul



You are going to have to learn everything you like and dislike about yourself and work on encouraging the one and learning to live with or change the other.

I know it is easier to say than do, but you have to make the effort or every relationship you are in will be worse than the last. Love yourself first!
 
I agree with something that was previously said. Drop all men for a while and just concentrate on you! You shouldn't feel alone if you make a conscious decision to do this.

This guy is a jerk but he was pretty upfront with you. He basically said that he didn't want a relationship so anything that happened wouldn't involve that. He didn't string you along but kind of said "I'm a jerk" and you were at least somewhat OK with that. It's time to move on.
 
:hug: Honey, here's another thing to hang on to while you go through the difficult work of breaking up with this guy for good:

You want to end up in a committed relationship with a guy who loves you, and is willing to choose you and your relationship above all others, right? Well, THAT guy will not come near you while you are half-committed to another man. If you meet "the one" and tell him honestly, "I still have feelings for this other man, and I haven't completely broken it off yet," he's going to say, "Well, let's not go any further with this then. I'm not going to get involved in a triangle."

Don't hang on to a bad thing in case nothing better comes along. Nothing better CAN come along until you cut loose.
 
A relationship is about having someone compliment you, not complete you. Get out of this stupid relationship and get to know yourself before getting into another one. You are worth more than this.

No one can fix this for you. No one else can make you see your own value as a person. You'll have to do this on your own, and I truly hope you can manage it. You deserve to be happy. You deserve to be treated with respect, consideration and love. But until you know these things, right down to your toes, no one else will know them either.

I'm sorry you have to go through this. :hug:
 
Well, you can't make him love you. He may *LIKE* you, but that is as far as it is going to get.

I think people just KNOW when they have the right person (their soul mate).

He seems to still be looking for that one.

Sorry that you are riding the emotional rollercoaster......things will get better. they ALWAYS do. ;)
 
The best advice I think I ever recieved I was given when I was getting married.
My friends dad told me "Everyone thinks marriage and family is about people coming together as one, but it's not! It's about sharing your life with people you love...so you better have a life to share!"

I know you aren't speaking of marriage or having kids, but I think that advice fits your situation too!
You need to build your own life, one that feels balanced and complete all on it's own, with out a relationship. When you find someone you have an interest in you start to share that life with them, but if they aren't sharing equally in a way that adds to your happiness, then hit the road! Don't let your longing for someone who doesn't long for you, keep you somewhere you shouldn't be!
You have to get to a place where you want a relationship, but don't feel like you need one, because then you are less likely to make compromises you shouldn't.
Find something your passionate about, help others, build a fabulous career, accomplish long languishing personal goals, do things that are going to build your confidence and your life that aren't dependent on others!
Then the next time a Mr. Wrong comes along and tries to scam you into giving him your all in exchange for next to nothing, you can laugh in his face, walk out the door, and take your incredible life with you!
 
You asked. You are his extremely convenient, trusty booty call. He was truthful and told you the deal, and you said, "OK, I'll play," for way too long. Do you believe in your heart that this is the kind of relationship you want and deserve? If not, then gather up all you will power and strength and break ties with him. Then figure out why you were so willing to put up with being used. Maybe a therapist, or a close friend can help you. Good luck.:hug:

This - he's not even doing anything wrong. It sounds like he assumes you are okay with a relationship that is not emotional, but friends with benefits.
 

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