I really dont like the new rent/trade rules

[mama03]

Specifically only being able to post reservation for rent 30 days out. I'm sorry but when I plan a trip its way ahead of time. We are going skiing this coming December and booked already. Why such a short time? Cant they make it at least 3 months out? I mean we have to reserve so far out now just to get a reservation. Plus if they cancel then we cant get our points back. Just venting I do not like this new rule.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I guess I don't understand the problem. Why can you not still rent to someone without making the reservation ahead of time?

 

[TisBit]

I believe the whole point is to discourage "speculative renting" which is perceived as being a problem by a large number of members (primarily non-renters). I believe DIS is attempting to help keep the fights down from members and non-members. I know I would be pretty irritated if I called for a Christmas reservation at 11 months out and couldn't get it, but went on the rent/trade board and found 5 listings offering Chrsitmas rentals at my home resort.

I believe they are using the theory that it is for people that are already in their holding account period and might have to cancel reservations for emergencies and don't want to lose their points. The way around this is to offer points for rent and book the time that the renter chooses....

 

[JimMIA]

The rule you are complaining about pertains only to reservations which have already been booked with MS, and are now offered for rent. It applies only to existing ressies.

You can still make arrangements with a prospective renter, get their preferred dates, and book for them specifically just like you always could.

 

[simzac]

I too also think the new rule is good, too many spec ressie's being made in the past. The new rule should at least help some I hope.

 

[castleri]

Did I miss something here? -
this rule has been in effect for some time now and there are some new rules effective today according to the sticky on the rent-trade board. I
only looked at it quickly but it seems like the same guidelines for the existing reservations as it has been for quite a time now.

 

[Y-ASK]

If you think about it, it really is a good rule. I can understand if you don't rent points that often and then come here and the rules have changed, you might be a little upset, but if you take a deep breath and look at the situation from an owner's point of view who doesn't rent and is having problems getting the dates they want and someone is renting the exact same reservation, well hopefully you get what I mean.

Y-ASK

 

[TenThousandVolts]

Specifically only being able to post reservation for rent 30 days out

As JimMIA suggested, instead of posting a "reservation for rent", simply post a "points for rent" post. You can do that as early as you like. Good Luck!

 

[mama03]

I can fully understand all of your points of view. It just seems in the last couple of years it is very hard to reserve certain dates. Like right now, thanksgiving, christmas, new years is gone. I also think that the exchange programs hurt us more. People can exchange with us through other programs. So what if one year we want to rent our reservations out to pay for another trip. You all know that we have to reserve those dates so far in advance. I am not a renter on a regular basis, I just like the option to do so. We truly enjoy our Disney Vacations and it just seems harder and harder to get the dates we want. This has nothing to do with regular owners. I am just venting as I still think we should be able to rent as we choose. Thanks for letting me vent.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I'm sorry mama, but I am still confused by what you are trying to say. Are you thinking of reserving a week at DVC and then trying to rent that week out? Or are you complaining about others reserving all the good times and not leaving you the opportunity to reserve them for yourself?

If you want to trade into II or another collection, you just tell MS that you want to trade into whatever at the date timeframe you want. You don't make a reservation and try to trade it with another non-DVC member. Unless you are using Redweek or MyResortNetwork or Ebay. Then you just have to be quicker than the other members.

 

[Dean]

I can fully understand all of your points of view. It just seems in the last couple of years it is very hard to reserve certain dates. Like right now, thanksgiving, christmas, new years is gone. I also think that the exchange programs hurt us more. People can exchange with us through other programs. So what if one year we want to rent our reservations out to pay for another trip. You all know that we have to reserve those dates so far in advance. I am not a renter on a regular basis, I just like the option to do so. We truly enjoy our Disney Vacations and it just seems harder and harder to get the dates we want. This has nothing to do with regular owners. I am just venting as I still think we should be able to rent as we choose. Thanks for letting me vent.

You can rent through other means and likely get more money. The one thing that the DIS rules do is drive those that want to rent existing reservations elsewhere such as redweeks, TUG, Ebay, etc. This is likely the law of unintended consequences. DIS certainly has the right to make any rules they want, it's their BBQ.

 

[Caskbill]

The 30-day rule you mention is not a new rule. It's been in effect for quite some time.

The new rules effective 02/01/08 in regards to when a post can be put on the board have not changed.

We've actually eased up on some of the posting rules. For example maintaining a thread wherein simply making a reply post counts. Previously the reply post had to say specifically "Bump". On the other hand we have tightened the rules and affect for users who fail to properly maintain their thread.

There's a new posting category: "Trade Transfer" that someone can use for trading a DVC-Collections reservation for a DVC Reservation.

We have no intention of offering a free service for 'commercial' renters to make contacts to sell their speculative reservations. If someone cancels prior to 30 days they get their points back. At 30 days they become holding points.

If someone needs to get cash for points one year, then they can post a "Points for Rent" thread.

Not everything is 30-days. Some are 6-months. For example if someone owns a Marriot timeshare somewhere and wants to trade if for a DVC-Resort reservation sometime, they can post it 6-months ahead. Or if a DVC owner would like to trade a DVC reservation for a Marriott timeshare somewhere, they can do that 6-months ahead of their requested date, provided the DVC-reservation is not already made. If the DVC reservation is already made, then it follows the regular 30 day rule. Again this is to prevent using speculative reservations, such as making a Christmas time reservation with the sole intent of renting it or trading it for something else.

 

[JPC]

Your moderator posts are always well thought out and do not come across as condescending. You set the example.

The 30-day rule you mention is not a new rule. It's been in effect for quite some time.

The new rules effective 02/01/08 in regards to when a post can be put on the board have not changed.

We've actually eased up on some of the posting rules. For example maintaining a thread wherein simply making a reply post counts. Previously the reply post had to say specifically "Bump". On the other hand we have tightened the rules and affect for users who fail to properly maintain their thread.

There's a new posting category: "Trade Transfer" that someone can use for trading a DVC-Collections reservation for a DVC Reservation.

We have no intention of offering a free service for 'commercial' renters to make contacts to sell their speculative reservations. If someone cancels prior to 30 days they get their points back. At 30 days they become holding points.

If someone needs to get cash for points one year, then they can post a "Points for Rent" thread.

Not everything is 30-days. Some are 6-months. For example if someone owns a Marriot timeshare somewhere and wants to trade if for a DVC-Resort reservation sometime, they can post it 6-months ahead. Or if a DVC owner would like to trade a DVC reservation for a Marriott timeshare somewhere, they can do that 6-months ahead of their requested date, provided the DVC-reservation is not already made. If the DVC reservation is already made, then it follows the regular 30 day rule. Again this is to prevent using speculative reservations, such as making a Christmas time reservation with the sole intent of renting it or trading it for something else.

 

[DBorges]

Specifically only being able to post reservation for rent 30 days out. I'm sorry but when I plan a trip its way ahead of time. We are going skiing this coming December and booked already. Why such a short time? Cant they make it at least 3 months out? I mean we have to reserve so far out now just to get a reservation. Plus if they cancel then we cant get our points back. Just venting I do not like this new rule.

"speculative renting" and renting for profit has been targeted for the good of all dvc members.

If someone books before they rent and then did not rent it for what ever reason it take the resevation away from someone who wanted itand would have used it so we all lose

On the closing doc all dvc members signed it clearly states that your membership is not to be use for personal gain or for rental or tax gain purposes.
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Disney is just going to make it harder for people whom do it.

 

[JMLBrats]

I just think that it should be for 45 days before so that if you make a reservation and then find that you can't go you can decide to sell the reservation instead of canceling. Then you at least have that option without being in the 30 day window where you have such limited choices. JMO.-BTW, I'm not a commercial renter by any means, but have rented points a couple of times and don't see anything wrong with doing so.

 

[beacher]

I've never rented out but a recent change in our travel habits has made me think about this - to me, the 30-day cancellation deadline is not the trigger for lost points it is often the close of the banking window. I have a February UY and we take a large family group in August. If illness occurs or jobs intervene and we have to cancel (prior to 30 days) I have until September 30th to bank the points. DH and I go alone in Dec. and that trip has less risk of cancellation or size changes.

Now we're planning a trip with MiL(81) who can't tolerate Aug. heat, other family will come along, and we're morphing it with our December trip. Now if illness intervenes and I haven't cancelled before September 30th I can't bank those points and I know I won't be able to use them between Nov (cancel @ 30 days) and Feb if we've had to cancel the Dec trip.

True I could cancel >30 days out and post the points for rent, but we're all pretty aware of the availability issues lately and a match for a new reservation might be remote. I don't propose you change the rules for one instance, but our new situation has given me reason to even pay attention to the renting issue....! For my own individual application I wish the posting rule for existing reservations could be more like 60 days - but I should also add I'm sympathetic to fellow members who are on the waitlist and actually deserve the room ahead of a rental transaction. No single happy solution, I guess.

 

[Caskbill]

I've never rented out but a recent change in our travel habits has made me think about this - to me, the 30-day cancellation deadline is not the trigger for lost points it is often the close of the banking window. I have a February UY and we take a large family group in August. If illness occurs or jobs intervene and we have to cancel (prior to 30 days) I have until September 30th to bank the points. DH and I go alone in Dec. and that trip has less risk of cancellation or size changes.

Now we're planning a trip with MiL(81) who can't tolerate Aug. heat, other family will come along, and we're morphing it with our December trip. Now if illness intervenes and I haven't cancelled before September 30th I can't bank those points and I know I won't be able to use them between Nov (cancel @ 30 days) and Feb if we've had to cancel the Dec trip.

True I could cancel >30 days out and post the points for rent, but we're all pretty aware of the availability issues lately and a match for a new reservation might be remote. I don't propose you change the rules for one instance, but our new situation has given me reason to even pay attention to the renting issue....! For my own individual application I wish the posting rule for existing reservations could be more like 60 days - but I should also add I'm sympathetic to fellow members who are on the waitlist and actually deserve the room ahead of a rental transaction. No single happy solution, I guess.

A good point but obviously we can't go to anything like a 4-month window and you're not suggesting that.

We can't do it simply because we have no way to know if someone's reservation is something they really can't use and they're outside their banking window, or not.

I could just see all the "speculation reservations" renters would make for Christmas timeframes, then beginning in August start posting them saying they can't use the reservation and they are outside their banking window.

All of course would be lies because if you examine what use year months DVC even has, there is no use year where someone could make a December reservation, and then in August be outside a banking window. Technically the earliest situation where someone would have a Christmas reservation they need to cancel, and would be outside their banking window, would be owners having a February Use Year month. Their window would expire Oct 1st.

Of course Aug-Oct would be very popular to renters who make speculation reservations as that's when most non-DVC members really start to look for their December vacations.