I propose standard view Beach Club Villa's...

[bobbiwoz]

The BC is in front of the BCV, it blocks the view of the BW. There's not a BW view at BCV!

Bobbi

 

[Dean]

The biggest opposition something like this would face would be from current owners who bought into one system and would then be asked to accept another.

Right now it's 30 points per night for a Two Bedroom in Adventure season. If you create a "Standard View" for 27 points per night, you need to move an identical number of rooms into a "Preferred View" for 33 PPN. Any members who are used to booking the pool view or any other units in that Preferred category will not be happy to find that their trips suddenly cost more points. Change isn't always well-received.

Members who buy into BLT or AKV now are aware right from the start that there are different views and different categories.

My understanding is a unit (usually a group of rooms) must remain the same for an entire year. Thus thus they could lower one season by raising another but not lower this unit while increasing another. Without sacrificing points that DVC owned in a given unit, I don't see anyway to change this even with an owners vote. They could certainly make booking categories without changing the points involved.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

Without sacrificing points that DVC owned in a given unit, I don't see anyway to change this even with an owners vote.

After what they did with OKW, I'm not sure there's any limit. They an create a new property that works however they want, vote for a special assessment of $200/point (or $2000 or $20,000) for the new property, then offer to waive the assessment for anyone willing to trade in their old membership. We get letters in the mail saying we either sign an agreement trading our old membership for the new one, or we own the a $zillion dollars to keep both. Obviously the Disney lawyers would polish this up a bit.

 

[crisi]

OKW is a great example of how they CAN'T do what they want. They didn't want to make an "opt out" extention for OKW - it was a nightmare - probably still is because there are probably people still out there refusing to pay but who haven't yet sent back their notarized paperwork. But they were restricted by the terms of the contract to do it the opt out way.

It would have been much easier for DVC - and much better received - to do an opt in on the extention.

 

[Dean]

After what they did with OKW, I'm not sure there's any limit. They an create a new property that works however they want, vote for a special assessment of $200/point (or $2000 or $20,000) for the new property, then offer to waive the assessment for anyone willing to trade in their old membership. We get letters in the mail saying we either sign an agreement trading our old membership for the new one, or we own the a $zillion dollars to keep both. Obviously the Disney lawyers would polish this up a bit.

While I don't think the OKW extension SA would hold up in a court challenge (and I've said so), I see this as cut and dried. The definition of a unit is very standard, either a room or group of rooms and usually a group of rooms unless it's a 3 BR which is sometimes declared as a single unit. The rules specifically state that the unit must remain the same number of points for a year. The rules further state that changes that affect the membership as a whole in a negative way must be voted on by the members. Are there ways to do it, sure. They could move away from the deeded approach as most RTU timeshares would have done to start with. They could ask the members to vote on a waiver for this purpose. But I am confident in saying they couldn't do this on their own unless they took individual "units" and adjusted them so that one room went up while another in the same unit went down a compensatory amount. The chances of the units matching up to make this workable are very unlikely.

 

[DisneyWalker44]

Are there ways to do it, sure.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[LIFERBABE]

That's all I'm saying.

Ditto, That's all Im saying too. Not saying it would be easy, smart, wise, etc. just that it is possible and precedence has been set to change without membership vote.

 

[Dean]

That's all I'm saying.

But there are not ways to force it on the membership with a change in points without a vote of the actual members unless they give up points and thus reduce the number of points required to stay at BCV for the entire year or unless they go into each "unit" and adjust one room while raising another within each and every declared unit that is affected. They could also get each affected owner to change their deed. None of these are real risks IMO. The only likelihood IF there is a change would be booking categories without points changes like at OKW.

 

[rwcmath]

But there are not ways to force it on the membership with a change in points without a vote of the actual members unless they give up points and thus reduce the number of points required to stay at BCV for the entire year or unless they go into each "unit" and adjust one room while raising another within each and every declared unit that is affected. They could also get each affected owner to change their deed. None of these are real risks IMO. The only likelihood IF there is a change would be booking categories without points changes like at OKW.

I don't see the point of changing booking categories at BCV.

 

[Dean]

I don't see the point of changing booking categories at BCV.

IMO there is not enough variation to make booking categories reasonable at BCV, however, that was the point of the OP. We are simply discussing at this point whether it could happen technically and under what circumstances. IMO it would be possible to do booking categories and possible but unlikely to do them for different points but only under limited specific ways without the vote of the members there.

 

[Brenle]

Love the debate. Very informative.

 

[spiceycat]

This thread is actually making me chuckle
We always requested upper floor Epcot view at BCV, the rooms that the OP is saying they don't want, and we had trouble getting one all the time. That is the reason we sold, we could never get our room requests met, other than non smoking, and always ended up on the wrong side of the building on a lower floor. I'm not an owner right now, but if I were I would rather see requests being honored using the reservation date as a reference instead of the "room ready" policy where people are offered the first room available. I think that is the problem at BCV, they don't even look at requests. When an owner of any DVC makes a reservation at the 11 month point, the requests should be met when available. This should take priority over someone making a reservation a week out then walking in at 7 am and getting the first room available. We love BCV, it's still our favorite DVC but we will not be buying there again. If, well I should say when, we buy back into DVC it will be OKW or one of the new DVC's.

mike I like it too.

the road can be ignored for me anyway - just being able to see the back parts of Epcot is worth the noise.

don't count on OKW to honor your request - they didn't mind for the last 7 years at least. Which is another reason I sold it.

whenever asked for a certain building and I got there at 7 am - was told it was blocked - according to the front desk - over half the resort was blocked.

this was early 7 am or earlier on Sunday morning. the only time got what wanted was when mother was still able to travel with me - got it then because of her health - so medical reasons.

don't count on OKW to honor your requests at all.

now SSR, AKV, even lately BWV - have been WONDERFUL. so hoping BLT will be too.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...don't count on OKW to honor your request - they didn't mind for the last 7 years at least. Which is another reason I sold it.

whenever asked for a certain building and I got there at 7 am - was told it was blocked - according to the front desk - over half the resort was blocked.

this was early 7 am or earlier on Sunday morning. the only time got what wanted was when mother was still able to travel with me - got it then because of her health - so medical reasons.

don't count on OKW to honor your requests at all.....

Pat, we've always gotten our request at OKW. But they were pretty generic. Water view, higher floor. Last time we asked for canal view and we got Bldg 46 with a great view of Trumbo Canal.

 

[bobbiwoz]

We've only had 2 OKW stays, a studio and a 1 bedroom. In both cases I asked for 1st floor or an elevator building and each time I got a wonderful villa, and both times at 10AM! My problem with OKW is that I don't like the location. I think it's a pretty resort, but we won't book many stays there.

Bobbi