I miss the Maelstrom ride so much.

[jec6613]

There's bigger sins to be up in arms about than this, even about Epcot.

*cough* Imagination *cough*

 

[Andrew015]

Please reread my comment. I'd like to be able to respond for once without telling someone they completely misread what I wrote.
Here it is, just in case going back is cumbersome. bold added for emphasis.

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If we are going to debate the quality of a ride, then why would anyone here stand up for the viking ride? I rode it one time shortly before it was closed. I suppose I have no rose colored glasses to consult, but with no nostalgia in mind, it seemed like a slow ride with poor quality scenes, several sections with no scenes, and a horrid movie at the end. It felt like the only reason people lined up for it was because there wasn't any other rides over there. I can't imagine that ride would have been successful anywhere else in Disney World. Set it next to Pirates and see how well it would have done....

I know you didn't actually use the word *crap*, but I apologize too... because that's how I read it

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I missed this one. I don't say Frozen belongs in Norway, it doesn't. it's just it's not THAT bad - I just can't see the need to get that worked up about it. Especially in the end because we haven't actually SEEN the final product. There's bigger sins to be up in arms about than this, even about Epcot.

Finally!

We're back to disagreeing

It seems to me that "it's not that big of a deal" kinda sounds like "we were only following orders" in the theme park world.

Tacit support/validation through vague acceptance.

 

[eXo]

No need to apologize...I don't see anything off the grid in your comments...or honestly anyone else's...

He misread what I wrote. He was apologizing for that.

Honestly, I expected better than that of you lockedoutlogic.

 

[eXo]

I know you didn't actually use the word *crap*, but I apologize too... because that's how I read it

Reading comprehension is a skill. It seems to be lacking in a lot of responses.

Feel free to quote that and put three dots after that if you like.

There is a large difference between personally not enjoying a ride and thinking it is crap and needs to be demolished. In one section I was giving my personal feelings on the ride. In the post rteetz replied to, I was stating that I could see how others found it nostalgic. The difference between those two posts is "context".

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[LaidBackDad]

You're supporting the notion that 7 year old girls are more important than 60 year old men at Disney Parks...

And not to go all "Uncle Walt" on you...but THAT is completley wrong.

This has to be the biggest point of disagreement between the two camps if I am understanding you correctly. Obviously, 7 year old girls (or kids) are more important than 60 year old men (or adults). Sure, the adults control the purse strings; but, it's the kids that control their spending. Disney has always been about fun for the whole family. If adults want adult fun, they can go to Vegas or countless other vacation locations. WDW is all about the kids in the family. Does that mean adults can't have fun at WDW without kids? Of course not, they just aren't the focus. Even EPCOT was designed with kids in mind. No one has ever earned an engineering degree by walking though Futureworld or are considered to be world travelers by making a lap around the World Showcase. None of that means adults can't have fun or even that adults weren't considered in the design; just the kids are more important customers than the adults. Over the years the WS has certainly evolved into more of an adult area of the park with Food & Wine, lack of rides, and the variety of ethnic foods that kids are less likely to find appealing; but, it was meant to teach kids about other countries around the world. Introducing characters into the WS brings more balance to the WS and actually returns it closer to its roots as family attraction rather than an adult getaway. I can see how adults who want a break from frantic pace of Migic Kingdom and other parks can resent the changes; but, it really does suit the big picture of WDW.

 

[rteetz]

Reading comprehension is a skill. It seems to be lacking in a lot of responses.

Feel free to quote that and put three dots after that if you like.

There is a large difference between personally not enjoying a ride and thinking it is crap and needs to be demolished. In one section I was giving my personal feelings on the ride. In the post rteetz replied to, I was stating that I could see how others found it nostalgic. The difference between those two posts is "context".

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Yes reading comprehension is a skill but when your quickly readin on an iPad or phone it doesn't always work the best. I've had plenty of writing and reading mistakes here. It's a forum not a national newspaper or something everyone makes mistakes.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

This has to be the biggest point of disagreement between the two camps if I am understanding you correctly. Obviously, 7 year old girls (or kids) are more important than 60 year old men (or adults). Sure, the adults control the purse strings; but, it's the kids that control their spending. Disney has always been about fun for the whole family. If adults want adult fun, they can go to Vegas or countless other vacation locations. WDW is all about the kids in the family. Does that mean adults can't have fun at WDW without kids? Of course not, they just aren't the focus. Even EPCOT was designed with kids in mind. No one has ever earned an engineering degree by walking though Futureworld or are considered to be world travelers by making a lap around the World Showcase. None of that means adults can't have fun or even that adults weren't considered in the design; just the kids are more important customers than the adults. Over the years the WS has certainly evolved into more of an adult area of the park with Food & Wine, lack of rides, and the variety of ethnic foods that kids are less likely to find appealing; but, it was meant to teach kids about other countries around the world. Introducing characters into the WS brings more balance to the WS and actually returns it closer to its roots as family attraction rather than an adult getaway. I can see how adults who want a break from frantic pace of Migic Kingdom and other parks can resent the changes; but, it really does suit the big picture of WDW.

And to counter...this is my biggest contention witn the "counter" argument.

I truly don't believe that Disneyland... Or wdw... Was built with the idea that the kids would drag the parents there...

And I don't think that's what they built. The idea is immersion and to leave yourself at the gate...they can be ageless. And to deny that it can and does happen is TOO CYNICAL FOR ME

Second, I'm a repeat offender... And my kids love it...but we go as a unit... They don't "drag me" and we don't force them.

And last...I just don't accept the contention that "adults can go to Vegas"...
We take more "adult focused" trips at times...but I don't look at Disney as a "kid trip". To think that is to cheapen the whole thing... And is inline with current park management philosophy that is pandering to the "lowest common denominator" and giving absolutely no respect to the uniqueness of wdw and the customers that have lined their pockets.

 

[Jing]

This has to be the biggest point of disagreement between the two camps if I am understanding you correctly. Obviously, 7 year old girls (or kids) are more important than 60 year old men (or adults). Sure, the adults control the purse strings; but, it's the kids that control their spending. Disney has always been about fun for the whole family. If adults want adult fun, they can go to Vegas or countless other vacation locations. WDW is all about the kids in the family. Does that mean adults can't have fun at WDW without kids? Of course not, they just aren't the focus. Even EPCOT was designed with kids in mind. No one has ever earned an engineering degree by walking though Futureworld or are considered to be world travelers by making a lap around the World Showcase. None of that means adults can't have fun or even that adults weren't considered in the design; just the kids are more important customers than the adults. Over the years the WS has certainly evolved into more of an adult area of the park with Food & Wine, lack of rides, and the variety of ethnic foods that kids are less likely to find appealing; but, it was meant to teach kids about other countries around the world. Introducing characters into the WS brings more balance to the WS and actually returns it closer to its roots as family attraction rather than an adult getaway. I can see how adults who want a break from frantic pace of Migic Kingdom and other parks can resent the changes; but, it really does suit the big picture of WDW.

To illustrate this, hubs and I are going to Disney for the first time as parents. He never went as a child, and I was already a bit of a cynic when I went at 7, so we have never truly done the "kid-thing" at Disney (Dumbo ride, serious character meets or meals, dance parties, pool parties, campfire movies, etc). I love Disney as an adult and enjoyed the heck out of our CL-foodie-cocktail adventures, but I feel like we are really going to experience it for how it was intended for the first time. There is so much I have never done because I was an oldster, that I think the only "tradition" we are going to have is a cocktail at the airport before takeoff!

 

[lockedoutlogic]

He misread what I wrote. He was apologizing for that.

Honestly, I expected better than that of you lockedoutlogic.

Things are missed/misinterpreted here all the time...

The thing i like here is that its usually just let go...

If we get into a point/counterpoint like court cross examination with clarifications...these threads will go REALLY long.

That's for the boards on ESPN

 

[Planogirl]

There are other places that kids can enjoy too. Their whole world isn't just Disney.

Regardless of that, young kids are NOT more important than other age groups. Teens spend even more money in fact and I doubt that a Frozen overlay is going to excite most of them.

I agree with those who see this as potentially catastrophic and not only because Norwegian culture is very important to me. Part of what set the Disney parks apart from all the rest was the ability to theme so well. If Disney throws that out the window and continues down that slippery slope of mediocrity when it comes to theming, a person might as well go to Six Flags in my opinion. I say that with the original Six Flags park down the road which believe it or not shows an attempt at theming in the older portions of the park.

So... Theming is unimportant, building cutting edge rides is unnecessary, the food doesn't have to be that good and the hotels don't have to be nice since location is all that matters. I've heard all of this from others just recently and it makes me crazy.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

So... Theming is unimportant, building cutting edge rides is unnecessary, the food doesn't have to be that good and the hotels don't have to be nice since location is all that matters. I've heard all of this from others just recently and it makes me crazy.

Hey...it's a business!

And have you seen what the stock price is?!?

And do you know that the guest satisfactions surveys collected by disney say they wouldn't change a thing and they are "highly likely" to recommend to others?

The defense rests

 

[Planogirl]

Hey...it's a business!

And have you seen what the stock price is?!?

And do you know that the guest satisfactions surveys collected by disney say they wouldn't change a thing and they are "highly likely" to recommend to others?

The defense rests

Except that I'm familiar with some of those surveys. "Was your visit a. magical b. exciting c. amazing d. gratifying e. fun?" Hmmmmm....

 

[Andrew015]

Reading comprehension is a skill. It seems to be lacking in a lot of responses.

Feel free to quote that and put three dots after that if you like.

There is a large difference between personally not enjoying a ride and thinking it is crap and needs to be demolished. In one section I was giving my personal feelings on the ride. In the post rteetz replied to, I was stating that I could see how others found it nostalgic. The difference between those two posts is "context".

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OK - Pot meet kettle...

Your use of the word "crap" was technically grammatically incorrect, as you used a word that is either a noun or a verb to describe another noun (Maelstrom, the theme park attraction). It would have been more appropriate to use the adjective "crappy" (something of poor quality or condition) instead. Again, not grammatically correct in this context, but I'll run with your use of "crap" as a noun describing another noun. Crap as a noun could have been inferred one of two ways; either as "excrement" or as "something of poor quality". We haven't talked about Norway's bathrooms just yet (judging by the direction in which this post is heading, we may not be too far away from that), so I assumed that the latter definition would have applied to the discussion at hand, seeing as how your rant that I highlighted in red specifically referred to the "quality" of the Maelstrom ride. For this reason, I feel that my "reading comprehension skills" were spot on...

Per lockedout's comments, this cross examination stuff isn't very much fun. I shouldn't feel compelled to defend my "reading comprehension skills" on a forum pertaining to Disney. In addition to reading comprehension, the ability to reply to posts in a non-condescending manner is also quite the valuable skillset to master around these parts. As we get passionate about these topics and the responses contained therein, it can be difficult to communicate our feelings accurately and effectively through a keyboard to someone whom we have never met in person. My posts can and usually do contain strong feelings, emotions and a touch of sarcasm from time to time, but I never intend to offend anyone. If you feel that I have done so to you, I do apologize. However, after 1,000+ posts and 15 years on these forums, I have never had anyone call into question my ability to comprehend the English language. I think that was a bit uncalled for, and recommend that we move away from the personal insults and back to the topic at hand, as this has been a constructive, insightful discussion from both sides up until this point...

 

[skier_pete]

Hey guys - lets all calm down - one of the things I like about the DIS is that their can be discussions with the personal attacks and name calling that comes with a lot of the internet.

This discussion hasn't quite reached there, but it's getting close.

I think its enough to say we all really care about what happens at WDW / Epcot, because we are all Disney lovers, regardless of age. Keep up the lively discussion, but lets all remain friends.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Except that I'm familiar with some of those surveys. "Was your visit a. magical b. exciting c. amazing d. gratifying e. fun?" Hmmmmm....

Which reminds me... I have a survey in my email....and since this is my "Friday"... Gonna dial it up...

Can't wait to see the questions...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Hey guys - lets all calm down - one of the things I like about the DIS is that their can be discussions with the personal attacks and name calling that comes with a lot of the internet.

This discussion hasn't quite reached there, but it's getting close.

I think its enough to say we all really care about what happens at WDW / Epcot, because we are all Disney lovers, regardless of age. Keep up the lively discussion, but lets all remain friends.

Wait a second...

Is this your way of getting back together with me/asking me to the prom?

I'm wearing lilac...by the way

 

[Mausk]

RIP Maelstrom!

 

[skier_pete]

Wait a second...

Is this your way of getting back together with me/asking me to the prom?

I'm wearing lilac...by the way

Oh...the pictures would be so precious!





But....no.

 

[Andrew015]

I think we've officially hit this point...