I may only buy direct from now on

[Brian Noble]

It feels like on a majority of direct sale posts (whether speed, discount, restrictions, etc) ,there’s a slew of commenters waiting to talk about why resale offers better value. I’ll leave you to decipher why that is

My decipher-inator says it’s because it is hard to justify the perks in strictly dollars and cents terms, and that’s how a lot of people view this purchase: what’s the best deal.

I think for some there is also some pushback against Disney’s Reality Distortion Field, but I suspect that’s a distant second.

Of course, not everyone is viewing it only from the “what do the perks cost” angle. For example:

that’s not the case for us.

Great! Some people find value in the thought of never having resort restrictions. Others don’t want to feel like second class members. Some folks just don’t care about the money, they want what they want.

Maybe I’ll start going into all the resale threads and trying to convince everyone to buy direct.

It’s your nickel. You should feel free to make the case. Others do.

 

[Sandisw]

Except, unless the room is still available, it would be a cancelation and you would lose the room….

If the direct RIV and resale RIV are on the same membership, then it’s simply an easy change in which points can be used and would not require a cancel since bough are at the same resort.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

If the direct RIV and resale RIV are on the same membership, then it’s simply an easy change in which points can be used and would not require a cancel since bough are at the same resort.

Interesting, does it have to be same use year, because I have need to do something similar and the said no, I would have to cancel and rebook.

 

[intamin]

Interesting, does it have to be same use year, because I have need to do something similar and the said no, I would have to cancel and rebook.

It must be the same use year otherwise the contract is in a different membership.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

except it would be a modification because I already have booked the room with direct RIV points which have the same home resort priority and don't need to forfeit the room, I'm just changing the contract the points are coming from...

I have tried to do almost the same thing before and was told no …

 

[Robbie Cottam]

It must be the same use year otherwise the contract is in a different membership.

Same membership, same contract….
the answer was no

 

[intamin]

I have tried to do almost the same thing before and was told no …

Yeahhh.. they told you wrong. I booked Boulder Ridge for an upcoming stay this September at the 7 month window with my AKV points. Later down the line, I decided I wanted to use my Aulani points so I borrowed Aulani points from 2024 in June, 3 months before the reservation by booking another reservation in the 2023 use year that required me to borrow the amount of Aulani points I wanted to use to force them into the 2023 use year and then cancelled that reservation. Afterwards, I went to my BRV reservation and modified it so that it would use the Aulani points first and then AKV so that way I have more AKV points going forward and then I simply banked my remaining AKV points that were saved by borrowing AUL. We're planning a wedding at WDW so it was preferable for me to have as many WDW points as possible so I prioritized keeping my AKV points.

Slightly different scenario, but same principle. If done between resale RIV and direct RIV in the same UY, you could do the same by borrowing the points later down the line, modifying the reservation and applying the resale points to be prioritized first. They both have the same home resort priority but you would free up the direct RIV points to be used in the future and therefore limiting the amount of restrictions on your points going forward.

My RIV points are in a separate use year and I would not have been able to use those points on the BRV reservation through modifying because they are in a separate membership. I would've had to cancel the reservation and then rebook in order to use my RIV points on the BRV reservation.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Yeahhh.. they told you wrong. I booked Boulder Ridge for an upcoming stay this September at the 7 month window with my AKV points. Later down the line, I decided I wanted to use my Aulani points so I borrowed Aulani points from 2024 in June, 3 months before the reservation by booking another reservation in the 2023 use year that required me to borrow the amount Aulani points I wanted to use to force them into the 2023 use year and then cancelled that reservation. Afterwards, I went to my BRV reservation and modified it so that it would use the Aulani points first and then AKV so that way I have more AKV points going forward and then I simply banked my remaining AKV points that were saved by borrowing AUL. We're planning a wedding at WDW so it was preferable for me to have as many WDW points as possible so I prioritized keeping my AKV points.

Slightly different scenario, but same principle.

My RIV points are in a separate use year and I would not have been able to use those points on the BRV reservation through modifying because they are in a separate membership. I would've had to cancel the reservation and then rebook in order to use my RIV points on the BRV reservation.

Interesting, I was told hard stop NO!
even by a manager ‘ supervisor

 

[intamin]

Interesting, I was told hard stop NO!
even by a manager ‘ supervisor

Sounds like they didn't want you buying resale

 

[Genie+]

Yeahhh.. they told you wrong. I booked Boulder Ridge for an upcoming stay this September at the 7 month window with my AKV points. Later down the line, I decided I wanted to use my Aulani points so I borrowed Aulani points from 2024 in June, 3 months before the reservation by booking another reservation in the 2023 use year that required me to borrow the amount Aulani points I wanted to use to force them into the 2023 use year and then cancelled that reservation. Afterwards, I went to my BRV reservation and modified it so that it would use the Aulani points first and then AKV so that way I have more AKV points going forward and then I simply banked my remaining AKV points that were saved by borrowing AUL. We're planning a wedding at WDW so it was preferable for me to have as many WDW points as possible so I prioritized keeping my AKV points.

Slightly different scenario, but same principle. If done between resale RIV and direct RIV, you could do the same by borrowing the points later down the line, modifying the reservation and applying the resale points to be prioritized first. They both have the same home resort priority but you would free up the direct RIV points to be used in the future and therefore limiting the amount of restrictions on your points going forward.

My RIV points are in a separate use year and I would not have been able to use those points on the BRV reservation through modifying because they are in a separate membership. I would've had to cancel the reservation and then rebook in order to use my RIV points on the BRV reservation.

Thanks. I wondered about this and your example is helping to better understand.

 

[thelionqueen]

Sure, the convenience of buying direct is fatastic. We bought AKV and VGF direct as well with great incentives and the MB promos. But VGF may be the last time it's "up to $3K more for buying direct".

Riviera direct is in the 170s if you buy 150 points. Resale is in the $120s. That's about a $7500 difference on 150 points. And what if Riviera resale drops to sub $100 once supply increases more (I don't see those resale listings flying off the market in the $120s)? Would that make you think about it differently? Would you pay a 100% premium to buy direct, especially if you already have the blue card benefits and can book the new resorts at 7 months out?

Pretty soon there will be the opportunity to buy Poly2 direct. And when they start selling it you won't have Poly2 resales to compare it to. But if it has the same resale restrictions, I believe odds are pretty good that Poly2 resale prices will eventually follow the Riviera path. Are you ok with losing 30%-40% in a matter of 3-4 years on an asset that's meant to depreciate to zero over 50 years?

I wouldn’t buy riviera for any reason, so I think we’d need to compare apples to apples, because RIV is a special thing, and it’s resale value with restrictions can’t be compared to resorts without them. I wouldn’t buy RIV even under $100pp

 

[intamin]

I wouldn’t buy riviera for any reason, so I think we’d need to compare apples to apples, because RIV is a special thing, and it’s resale value with restrictions can’t be compared to resorts without them. I wouldn’t buy RIV even under $100pp

It'll be interesting to see how RIV compares to Poly2 if it's made to be a separate association. Once RIV sells out and the resale contracts are going for low 100s I have a feeling they'll ROFR it like crazy to keep the prices of the resort up and on par with the cash rate just like they won't let Poly become nearly worthless. VDH will likely be the exception of the resale restricted group because nobody will care that the points can only be used at VDH and will hold resale value well.

I mean this is the point of the resale restrictions. It'll allow them to ROFR for far less and even the contracts they don't ROFR have less value to us because they can't be used anywhere but the home resort. Then they'll turn around and sell the contracts for nearly double or more than what they bought them for.

 

[tidefan]

It'll be interesting to see how RIV compares to Poly2 if it's made to be a separate association. Once RIV sells out and the resale contracts are going for low 100s I have a feeling they'll ROFR it like crazy to keep the prices of the resort up and on par with the cash rate just like they won't let Poly become nearly worthless. VDH will likely be the exception of the resale restricted group because nobody will care that the points can only be used at VDH and will hold resale value well.

I mean this is the point of the resale restrictions. It'll allow them to ROFR for far less and even the contracts they don't ROFR have less value to us because they can't be used anywhere but the home resort. Then they'll turn around and sell the contracts for nearly double or more than what they bought them for.

Not really, the point of the thread, but interesting since you brought up VDH. To us, for VDH, the resale restrictions weren’t as big a problem as the TAT…

 

[intamin]

Not really, the point of the thread, but interesting since you brought up VDH. To us, for VDH, the resale restrictions weren’t as big a problem as the TAT…

Eh you're probably right but I couldn't resist but yeah same I was considering VDH until the transient taxes.. but ultimately I'm glad we didn't buy in there since it looks like we'll be living about 15 minutes down the road anyways

 

[Robbie Cottam]

Sounds like they didn't want you buying resale

I don’t understand were your going with that, but whatever

 

[thelionqueen]

Eh you're probably right but I couldn't resist but yeah same I was considering VDH until the transient taxes.. but ultimately I'm glad we didn't buy in there since it looks like we'll be living about 15 minutes down the road anyways

I had my heart set on VDH for years. Was so completely devastated when I saw the modern look they designed it as, then the tax & parking just kicked me out completely. While I detest the resale restrictions they’ve imposed, that alone didn’t deter me from VDH, but the other negatives compounded with it. I’m not a fan of GFV if I’m being honest. Not sure I’ll use my points there much if ever. So they’re kind of expensive SAP’s, but come with the blue card perks.

 

[intamin]

I don’t understand were your going with that, but whatever

I’m just saying they likely didn’t want you to buy resale lol. The clown was directed at the supervisor who misled you because you definitely can use the points like that. I apologize if there was any confusion!

Edit: If you have any reservations booked currently, you can see how you can move the points around if they were booked during the 7 month window and change which contracts are utilized by modifying. Obviously if they were booked during the 11 month window then you can’t do it unless they have the same home resort. This is the reason why once the 7 month window rolls around, I look to see if my selected room dates are still available for the room I want at my home resort. If they are, I cancel the reservation and then rebook again. This lets me modify and move points around if I want to down the line because technically it now has been booked within the 7 month booking window.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

I’m just saying they likely didn’t want you to buy resale lol. The clown was directed at the supervisor who misled you because you definitely can use the points like that. I apologize if there was any confusion!

So you are saying member service would lie to me, to prevent me from resale….
rotflmao………….

 

[Sandisw]

Interesting, does it have to be same use year, because I have need to do something similar and the said no, I would have to cancel and rebook.

Yes, it’d be the same UY since they have to be in the same membership.

Now, I can’t do it because my direct RIV are an Aug UY and my resale RIV are a Dec UY unless I transferred them.

 

[intamin]

So you are saying member service would lie to me, to prevent me from resale….
rotflmao………….

Lol I don't know what they wanted but I do know they gave you wrong information and I'll just leave it at that.