I may have to get ugly with SIL...

I'm curious about something. When your MIL was so sick why didn't you call emergency services yourself, explain your MIL was very sick and was being denied medical attention. I would imagine they would have gone to her or at least sent an officer for a welfare check. It's something to keep in mind if this ever happens again.

As for Hospice, she can't just 'sign' her in.
 
I hate to say it, but this is your DH's fight. I think it is wonderful that you love MIL enough to want to stand up for her, but you have no say in whether SIL's decisions are overruled or not. This will only cause more harm than good in the long wrong. Talk to your DH and find out what he wants to do in the situation. Find out who has medical POA if your MIL cannot make these decisions for herself any longer. Find out what her wishes are and if she has a living will. THese are all things that should be dealt with and you should be there to SUPPORT your DH, but DO NOT overstep.

As for Hospice, I absolutely love them and they are a great service, HOWEVER, they will not take anyone that does not meet all the criteria. My Mother was under Hospice care. It was told to us by the MD and social workers that the terminal prognosis had to be 6 months or under. Mom managed to survive 11 months and 2 weeks. They were forced to discharge her after the 6 month mark, but did readmit her the week before she died. They are VERY strict on the rules.
 
If the SIL is 8hrs away & MIL's sister is on top of her care, it sounds like you are stirring up trouble OP. Why would you need to get "ugly"?:confused3


I agree, if the situation is a dire as you claim, why isn't your DH stepping up and taking control??

I have been on the other side, people NOT helping the situation, but complaining about the people that are.
 
Fortunately SIL is still 8 hours away and can't really do much. MIL's sister is taking care of things with the doctors right now and she and I are on the same page as far as her health care. Aunt is totally against hospice as they had a relative who had a very bad experience with hospice. SIL has a history with the whole hospice thing. She put their father on hospice. He had been in a very very nice nursing home paid 100% by his insurance. When he got sick with the same thing for about the 5th time she got him admitted to a VA hospice facility. I can't believe it is any nicer than the nursing home where he had been. Well FIL is back to his old self now which tells me he never qualified for hospice to begin with. She caught him when he was sick and he told her he was tired of being sick and wanted it to end. That is when she put him in the hospice facility. She has this obsession with hospice for some reason. I know hospice is a good thing in the right case but neither of them are terminal or expected to die in the next 6 months which are the basic qualifications for hospice.

I don't know if it a control thing with SIL or what. She is very domineering and I have told DH he has to step up. If he won't I will. But at least my MIL's sister and I agree and if SIL tries to pull anything she will make sure the doctors know there is a son as well.

You family and the MIL sister need to go get a court-ordered power of attorney if MIL is not competent to give it. If there are disagreements on care, someone has to have legal standing. Get a lawyer and go petition for POA.
 

Thanks so much for all the advice. I really do appreciate it. To clear up a few things the reason MIL's sister and I agree that SIL should have no say in MIL's care is when she was there a couple of months ago she nearly let her mother die from massive intestinal infection. DH and I called repeatedly begging her to take her to the hospital but she thinks she knows everything about everything. For example MIL is diabetic and not eating. Well her blood sugar should have been really out of wack but it really wasn't so SIL thought that was good. Well when you have a massive infection like this your blood sugar may look just fine. But SIL did not want to hear it. Instead she is feeding her chocolate pie :scared1: MIL was running fever, incoherant, barely eating and not drinking. But SIL would not budge. Looking back we should have called the sheriff's office to report abuse of an elderly person but this was late at night in a small town. I knew nothing would get done. And DH would never have stood up to his sister. SIL knew she messed up because she left town as soon as they got MIL to the ER.

I haven't stirred up anything yet. Just talking every night with MIL's sister. SIL does not call to check on her but waits for someone to call her.

I did mention to DH last night that we may need to go up there to check on things this week but we are already scheduled to go the end of the month. I am just monitoring the situation at this time but if I hear SIL is coming into town we will have to go up there.

I am going to talk to my brother who is a lawyer to see what we need to do to get the medical care question settled.
 
Personally, if I felt my family member was in urgent need of medical care and those with her were not giving it to her and I lived 5 hours away--I would first be in the car driving up there to get her to care myself, and have the passenger calling 911 and asking if they could check on her even sooner as I drove. I cannot imagine an obligation that would have kept me from driving up if I truly believed not taking her in could kill her.

At this point, I agree with everyone else that your husband needs to get involved with his mother's care--or at least with communicating with his sister and that you getting "ugly" while likely justified, will only make matters worse.
 
Personally, if I felt my family member was in urgent need of medical care and those with her were not giving it to her and I lived 5 hours away--I would first be in the car driving up there to get her to care myself, and have the passenger calling 911 and asking if they could check on her even sooner as I drove. I cannot imagine an obligation that would have kept me from driving up if I truly believed not taking her in could kill her.

At this point, I agree with everyone else that your husband needs to get involved with his mother's care--or at least with communicating with his sister and that you getting "ugly" while likely justified, will only make matters worse.

Yes me too. I can't see how going at the end of the month would be helpful to the Mom when she needs them there now.

Sorry but it seems that your husband has chosen to take an apathetic approach to the situation with his mother for whatever reason. It isn't up to you to make the decisions but as his wife you should be telling him to go now.
 
Your dh really needs to get into the game. Stop worrying about the SIL and start doing something about the situation.

If he won't step up, then you should get ugly WITH HIM!
 
I know but she somehow got FIL's doctor to sign him up for hospice when he obviously did not qualify.

That's scary.

But I'm not surprised. FIL convinced his team of doctors to let him into their cardiac care program instead of going to a skilled care facility. The hospital program is rigorous, and is for people who are relatively young and healthy, it has specific types and set times for PT, it's for 50 something year old men who have been active for years. FIL was 79, was getting over a massive infection (that he caused by not taking antibiotics (he was trying not to take his codeine-based painpills but didn't know which was which so stopped taking them both) and then trying to pull his bulb catheter out while in a fevered rage), and couldn't even walk TO the nurse's station let alone on a treadmill.

So it wouldn't surprise me that someone could go the opposite way...

I'm curious about something. When your MIL was so sick why didn't you call emergency services yourself, explain your MIL was very sick and was being denied medical attention. I would imagine they would have gone to her or at least sent an officer for a welfare check. It's something to keep in mind if this ever happens again.

I absolutely agree.

We got word from BIL and SIL that MIL was very very ill. BIL was not able to go check on her and SIL doesn't have a car, so they called us. DH called her, verified that she was out of it, and as we were driving the mere 20 minutes on the highway to her house, we were calling 911. We met them there, and they were bringing her down the stairs on the gurney as we pulled in.

Ya gotta call them on your own, if the description you're getting tells you that she needs help!


But I don't think you should butt out just b/c she's an in law. I DO think you should focus on MIL and getting her cared for, while just ignoring the SIL junk. If my in laws had listened to me, my FIL might still be with us. At one point during his care, they just sort of gave up on him, and REFUSED to listen to anything positive. It was very weird, b/c at the point where the shift in attitude happened, his body was healing and I felt he just needed a bit more time, but no one would give him time.

As background: I should mention that the hospital where he was is a HORRIBLE hospital for cardiac care (which I tried to tell them before he was transferred there...the rankings had JUST come out that week but they didn't want him in Seattle for some reason). They were a horrible hospital for me, too. They nearly caused my death, they released me 42 hours postop despite insurance being legally mandated to pay for 96 hours, I was at a nearly transfusable level of hemoglobin when they released me and they NEVER TOLD ME, it went on and on...they lied to my face, they lied on my records, they are a horrid horrid hospital.

So I am biased, BUT I was also on my guard when FIL was there. I didn't make up the nurse swearing under her breath after we forced her to look at his charts, as she realized he was supposed to be on IV antibiotics still and they hadn't given him any in something like 2 days (he'd been septic and they took him off abx). And I didn't make up the fact that he was healing but was also on a respirator.

When they took him off, he would freak out, but he was *trying to breath on his own*. While freaking out, he was flailing, and hitting the nurses. So they'd up the drugs so he would calm down. But he was breathing the whole time, or trying to, and the ONLY reason they wouldn't/couldn't get him off the respirator was b/c they wouldn't just get a couple big guys to hold him down while they took out the respirator. After this happened a few times, they switched from "he's doing great!" to "it's time to pull the plug".

And no one listened to me (or DH, who was much less respected in his family then vs now) and reason...and now BIL and MIL wish they had. They now realize how ridiculous the situation became, and how awful it was.

Oh, FIL lived for almost 2 days after they turned off the respirator....of course once that decision was made they weren't really supporting him, and they kept him in a heavy HEAVY morphine state, which of course depresses the natural breathing along with the other massive doses of things they were giving him...gosh it's almost like I'm saying the hospital killed him! Oh wait, yeah, I am.


So keep on speaking up, even if it causes a fuss. Because what's more important? MIL living? Or your rank in the family?



Anyway, focus on your MIL's care. Ignore your SIL unless and until she causes another problem.

You also might want to give your MIL's care providers info about your SIL (before just ignoring her). They probably can't give you info, but you can tell them about her actions and inaction. Just as a bit of a head's up should she visit again.

And maybe call the sheriff in the small town where she lives, to ask them what to do in a future situation where you're worried about MIL? Ask if they do checks on elderly/sick people who are alone? It gives you guys info AND gives them a head's up on the situation...
 
Looking back we should have called the sheriff's office to report abuse of an elderly person but this was late at night in a small town. I knew nothing would get done. And DH would never have stood up to his sister. SIL knew she messed up because she left town as soon as they got MIL to the ER.



I did mention to DH last night that we may need to go up there to check on things this week but we are already scheduled to go the end of the month. I am just monitoring the situation at this time but if I hear SIL is coming into town we will have to go up there.

I am going to talk to my brother who is a lawyer to see what we need to do to get the medical care question settled.

I am really confused about this. You and your DH knew your MIL was getting poor care at best and goodness know what at worst and you allowed it to happen? Instead of traveling to your MIL you considered calling for help but then did not even do that because "nothing would get done"?


Now you disagree with teh level of care MIL is recieving yet you are putting off the visit because it is scheduled at another time? IMO, sdiscussing a situation with an attorney, family member or not, is not even near what should be done at this point. Unless you are willing to go to your MIL and determine what the situation is, not what you are being told, you really are in no position to take over.

I cannot understand even thinking of trying to take over POA and proxy of healthcare when neither you or your DH would step in to assist your MIL when the care she was getting could have killed her. You did not even call in protective services to check on her. Believe me, once they are involved something would have been done to protect her.

As an adult child who cared for a parent, I know that having proxy of healthcare is a big responsibility, not to be taken lightly. One must be willing to be available and to "stand up for" the person you are caring for. A man who refuses to stand up to a sister when her actions are clearly not in his mother's best health interests may not be the best person to advocate for her from 5 hours away. Perhaps her sister, who is daily contact would be better suited to advocate for this poor woman.


Your dh really needs to get into the game. Stop worrying about the SIL and start doing something about the situation.

If he won't step up, then you should get ugly WITH HIM!

You said it! IMO, allowing this to continue instead of getting there immediately is just a complicit in this disgraceful situation.
 
If you and dh were so concerned about mil when sil was there, why didn't you get in the car and drive up there and have dh take care of it--getting mil back to dr or hospital--rather than calling and letting it go on for a week. I understand people have jobs, but if it was that dire and sil was not cooperating, you should have taken time off and gone up there.

You do need to let dh take the lead in this situation. Sounds like he needs to go up there asap and talk with his mom about poa's--financial and medical, her wishes, etc. I would not wait until the end of August to go.
 
There are certain criterias that have to be met for Hospice - your SIL can't just "sign her up"..

It's definitely time to get things in order in terms of who is going to have control of your MIL's future - and it doesn't sound like SIL would be the best choice..:(

Best of luck! :hug:
 


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