i LOVE hunting with my daughter

[big kahuna1]

There are no better stewards of land than hunters. And that is a fact Jack!

 

[tellnotails]

Rog ...thats why we should never ...never....let emotion get in the way of our resource management.......Hunting is important to wildlife management....we are hunters.... we speak for wildlife and wildlife management. .... we provide a powerful support base for voiceless resources that cannot vote or pay taxes.......

Hunters (daughter/myself) also put our money where or mouth is..... we pay special taxes.... that hunters themselves asked and fought for... on arms and ammunition to support wildlife and conservation education..... License and permit fees form nearly all of the support for resource management programs...... we are also the most common supporters of non-game and conservation programs, even where they are not directly connected to hunting activities..........

Rog ....you need to pull up a chair around our campfire......listen....keep an open mind.....you'll come away with a new opinion.......far different then your original post...

 

[2goofycampers]

I know Im the oddball out here...but I just cant see how this is teaching a child to repect anything.....Ive tried to teach my children to respect their elders...but never once did I hand them a crossbow or handgun or knife and tell them to kill an elder in order to achieve that respect. Im not judging anyone, and I mean no disrespect...and I AGREE 100% that ANYTIME spent bonding with your children is time very well spent, and watching them learn to appreciate a hobby that YOU have a passion for equals a pride uncomparable to much else in life....but I just dont have that animal killer instinct and am glad my kids have A DIFFERENT kind of respect for wildlife and the land. I have taken my daughter hunting on several occassions, she HAS shot many deer...but Im proud to say that the shooting was done with a camera....unfortunately, all of those photos have recently been deleted from my hard drive...maybe I should have had the photos mounted and hung on the wall...although they wouldn't have the same 3D effect as what you may have mounted on your wall.

I must admit, that IS a beautiful deer....too bad its a rotting carcus now.
Bambi's mom was just trying to let her fawn romp in the clearing, and look what happened.....yes, I cried!!!

Let the BDR bashing begin, but I just felt the need to put in a word for the non-murderers of the group....not that there's anything wrong with murder....(that doesnt even sound right to YOU, does it?)

Think of it as fishing with arrows instead of hooks.

 

[BigDaddyRog]

Im not anti hunter.....or even anti hunting......Im glad someone is willing to kill the meat that I eat...cuz i sure dont wanna do it. I dont have a problem fishing, or killing snakes if I need to....maybe because they aint so cute. I just HONESTLY couldnt look down a barrel and pull the trigger on something that Id get a bigger thrill out of having eat out of my hand. Its a personal hangup I guess.....I just would feel guilty, like i murdered something that didnt deserve to die. Im sure thats very hypocritical, because I love red meat. And, I know its human nature to hunt(for some)....I guess Im just too soft, I could never do it.....and Im positive my kids would unravel if they watched a rabbit or deer get shot, Im not ashamed of that.

 

[Shannone1]

And, I know its human nature to hunt(for some)....I guess Im just too soft, I could never do it.....and Im positive my kids would unravel if they watched a rabbit or deer get shot, Im not ashamed of that.

I am the same way Rog. My dad is a big hunter and I spent many summers up at his cabin up north getting everything ready for hunting season. My dad's dad, brother and friends were all big hunters too. Well, one fall my 14 year old cousin wanted to prove to her dad(my dad's brother) that she could handle going up to the cabin during hunting season. Well, I was 12 and terribly jealous of my cousin so I just HAD to go too.

It was awful. Dead deer hanging between two huge trees with the stomachs cut open, the men all bragging about their big kills. I wanted to impress my dad so badly....so I went tracking with him. He had shot a deer and I helped him follow the blood trail through the woods. I will NEVER forgot what it was like to hear that poor deer stumbling and slowly dying. It took a good ten minutes and when we finally found her she was staring up at me with those big beautiful eyes and I ran back to the truck and cried the rest of the night. I never went back to the cabin during hunting season again and I am very glad my DH is not a hunter.

My dad still hunts and I am not anti-hunting. I know it needs to be done, especially here in MI where there are so many deer that would starve or cause fatal car accidents. I just could NOT do it myself.

I would also make a lousy farmer (could never watch baby animals being born and take care of them just to send them to slaughter one day), but that's a different subject

 

[tellnotails]

I am the same way Rog. My dad is a big hunter and I spent many summers up at his cabin up north getting everything ready for hunting season. My dad's dad, brother and friends were all big hunters too. Well, one fall my 14 year old cousin wanted to prove to her dad(my dad's brother) that she could handle going up to the cabin during hunting season. Well, I was 12 and terribly jealous of my cousin so I just HAD to go too.

It was awful. Dead deer hanging between two huge trees with the stomachs cut open, the men all bragging about their big kills. I wanted to impress my dad so badly....so I went tracking with him. He had shot a deer and I helped him follow the blood trail through the woods. I will NEVER forgot what it was like to hear that poor deer stumbling and slowly dying. It took a good ten minutes and when we finally found her she was staring up at me with those big beautiful eyes and I ran back to the truck and cried the rest of the night. I never went back to the cabin during hunting season again and I am very glad my DH is not a hunter.

My dad still hunts and I am not anti-hunting. I know it needs to be done, especially here in MI where there are so many deer that would starve or cause fatal car accidents. I just could NOT do it myself.

I would also make a lousy farmer (could never watch baby animals being born and take care of them just to send them to slaughter one day), but that's a different subject

I sympathize with you Shannone......I hate to see a great oppurtunity to expose a child to hunting go so terribly wrong.....


Education and sound mentoring is key to the future of hunting......looking at my daughter ........the future looks pretty good

 

[lisa8200]

I know Im the oddball out here...but I just cant see how this is teaching a child to repect anything.....Ive tried to teach my children to respect their elders...but never once did I hand them a crossbow or handgun or knife and tell them to kill an elder in order to achieve that respect. Im not judging anyone, and I mean no disrespect...and I AGREE 100% that ANYTIME spent bonding with your children is time very well spent, and watching them learn to appreciate a hobby that YOU have a passion for equals a pride uncomparable to much else in life....but I just dont have that animal killer instinct and am glad my kids have A DIFFERENT kind of respect for wildlife and the land. I have taken my daughter hunting on several occassions, she HAS shot many deer...but Im proud to say that the shooting was done with a camera....unfortunately, all of those photos have recently been deleted from my hard drive...maybe I should have had the photos mounted and hung on the wall...although they wouldn't have the same 3D effect as what you may have mounted on your wall.


I must admit, that IS a beautiful deer....too bad its a rotting carcus now.
Bambi's mom was just trying to let her fawn romp in the clearing, and look what happened.....yes, I cried!!!

Let the BDR bashing begin, but I just felt the need to put in a word for the non-murderers of the group....not that there's anything wrong with murder....(that doesnt even sound right to YOU, does it?)

Geez Rog, I don't even know where to start. How about here:
Some areas are prone to have hunting and some are not ( examples wold be the Ocala National Forest< YES,,,Downtown Miami NO ) I'm not sure of the lay of the land where you live so, hunting where you live may be minimal if not non- existant. In areas where hunting is prevelent, it is important to teach your kids why we hunt, and how to hunt. While you may not see it as respect for the land, it is still respect. Lack of this guidance is why there are people out there that go out and kill things just for the sake of killing things.Most hunters keep thier kill for food ( not that they need the food but, better than doing it for fun only). While your analogy for teaching respect was a fine one, it doesn't really apply to this type of repect IMHO.
I don't think that any amount of talking is going to change you mind and I don't want to. It is enough for me that you don't seem to condemn those that hunt even though your opinion differs.I thought you were a little strong with some of your statements( kinda like saying you guys are morons but, thats OK, as far as morons go your pretty cool ).

Along the lines of Denise, why is it OK to trick a fish into thinking its getting an easy meal and then shoving the barbed end of a piece of metal onto some various part of him(usually in the mouth ) while he wiggles to get loose.If its a small one or your at Disney you unhook and realease but, what if it gets injured, when fishing, you don't have any control as to where the hooks goes. Or you decide it would make a good meal? While you may put them on a stringer, at some point, you throw them in a container where you let them slowly suffocate to death,,. Yet this doesn't bother you. Is it because they are not as cute and fuzzy so you don't feel as guilty.( hope I didn't ruin fishing for you).

Rog, don't think that I think less of you, or feel that you think less of me because I don't. I just felt the need to expound on this ( or get a bigger spoon to stir with ).

 

[Rhonda]

I grew up in Minnesota, and my grandparents and uncle were deer hunters. Scott (DH) also hunted and when our son turned 12 (or so) Scott taught him how to hunt. That was their bond every November!

Rog - I know exactly how you feel. Even though I love venison, I could never look at a live deer and pull the trigger myself. It was ok, once it was dead and hanging in the garage. I can help skin it, cut it up, cook it, etc. But I couldn't be the one to kill it. Now, I suppose, if we were starving, and that was the only way we could get food - I would do it. But, as long as somebody else is around to do it, I don't have to!

We always taught our son the lesson: "Don't kill what you don't eat." Period. You don't hunt & shoot things for the fun of it. You don't shoot birds or squirrels or prairie dogs, just because it's fun. You don't go "trophy" hunting, just to have a nice rack to hang on the wall. (I know...heh-heh....she said " nice rack").

 

[Born 2 Fish]

I love to eat meat !
Make mine on the Rare side , please.
Mmmmmmmm!

 

[rapriebe]

As I sit here in my Den, sipping my morning coffee and looking out my window, I see the herd of neighborhood deer in my backyard. I cannot imagine killing, much less eating, one of these magnificant animals that I have watched grow up. There currently are 5 or 6 doe, an 8-point buck and numerous youngins' hanging out, munching on the grass and the deer corn that my DH puts out for them every morning.

But I must also say that my DH use to go deer hunting and go out every fall for the weekly trip to the mountains of PA. I could never look at the deer when he brought it home but we did keep the venison and enjoyed some good meals from it.

However, as I get older and my life style has changed, I don't think I could eat venison again. Unfortunately we think of them more as our outside pets rather than a source of food. When I notice that one of the deer is missing, I try not to think too much about what could have happened to it -- hit by a car, killed by a deer hunter, sick, etc. So I totally understand both points of view that have been discussed but Rog ---

 

[Rhonda]

As I sit here in my Den, sipping my morning coffee and looking out my window, I see the herd of neighborhood deer in my backyard. I cannot imagine killing, much less eating, one of these magnificant animals that I have watched grow up. There currently are 5 or 6 doe, an 8-point buck and numerous youngins' hanging out, munching on the grass and the deer corn that my DH puts out for them every morning.

But I must also say that my DH use to go deer hunting and go out every fall for the weekly trip to the mountains of PA. I could never look at the deer when he brought it home but we did keep the venison and enjoyed some good meals from it.

However, as I get older and my life style has changed, I don't think I could eat venison again. Unfortunately we think of them more as our outside pets rather than a source of food. When I notice that one of the deer is missing, I try not to think too much about what could have happened to it -- hit by a car, killed by a deer hunter, sick, etc. So I totally understand both points of view that have been discussed but Rog ---

I used to have a couple of ducks as pets (Aflac and Gopher ). To this day, I can't eat duck, and I don't let Scott order duck when we go out to eat. It makes me physically sick to see it on the plate. So, I know what you mean...

 

[Gatordad]

I'm with Rog, but I sum it up a little different. While I love eating meat, I don't like to get personal with my meal. I've had some of the good venison that Renee got while Steve watched, and it was quite tasty....

 

[Shan-man]

Pete, I respect your desire to be a step or two removed from the slaughter of your dinner. I prefer a step or two myself. But the inflammatory part of Rog's initial rant was when he suggested that hunters are murderous and disrespecters of nature. You cannot curse the butcher and enjoy the beef... this is called hypocrisy! You can certainly enjoy the beef and still harbor no interest in ever becoming a butcher, or even wanting to see what the butcher does, but don't curse the butcher for doing what a butcher does to provide you with what you enjoy. And yes, there is a difference between what a rancher/butcher does versus what a hunter does... the hunter is, in MHO, more humane. I used to work for a supplier to the meat processing industry and can tell you Bambi has it made in comparison to beef cattle. And don't even get me started on chicken!

 

[BigDaddyRog]

Rog, don't think that I think less of you, or feel that you think less of me because I don't. I just felt the need to expound on this ( or get a bigger spoon to stir with ).

Not at all Mike...I wouldnt have posted this if "my spoon" wasnt looking to do a little stirring as well!!! And for the record, I didnt mean to insinuate that I thought you guys were morons for hunting....ya'll have WAAAY too many other reasons for me to throw the moron factor at, and I agree...I may be the biggest moron in this group.

...I've had some of the good venison that Renee got while Steve watched, and it was quite tasty....

LOL...Does Steve actually qualify as a hunter...isnt he more like...I dunno...RENEE'S CADDY????? (love ya SteveO)

....the inflammatory part of Rog's initial rant was when he suggested that hunters are murderous and disrespecters of nature.

Come on guys....you know I cant post a good rant without spreading some inflammatory disease!!!!

 

[PolynesianPixie]

the hunter is, in MHO, more humane. I used to work for a supplier to the meat processing industry and can tell you Bambi has it made in comparison to beef cattle. And don't even get me started on chicken!

or pigs!!!!!!

 

[Born 2 Fish]

I used to have a couple of ducks as pets (Aflac and Gopher ). To this day, I can't eat duck, and I don't let Scott order duck when we go out to eat. It makes me physically sick to see it on the plate. So, I know what you mean...

Mmmmmmm,,roast duck !

or pigs!!!!!!

Pork Far Rules !!! Mmmmmm!

 

[Us3]

While growing up I had no problem eating duck or deer that my dad and brothers hunted for. I went dove hunting with them many times. And of course a fish fry was a weekly occurance at our house or campsite!

But when I was a teen, my dad raised some quail to eat. There was NO WAY I was going to eat a bird that I "knew" and that had woke me up in the mornings with a "bob white" call!!

 

[Rhonda]

Mmmmmmm,,roast duck !

 

[Gatordad]

While growing up I had no problem eating duck or deer that my dad and brothers hunted for. I went dove hunting with them many times. And of course a fish fry was a weekly occurance at our house or campsite!

But when I was a teen, my dad raised some quail to eat. There was NO WAY I was going to eat a bird that I "knew" and that had woke me up in the mornings with a "bob white" call!!

i've never heard his call.

 

[Us3]

lol