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One of the things I've been thinking about lately is how high do I want to keep my balances in various transferable point programs when I don't have any particular upcoming use for the points. I know I want to keep enough to have flexibility to book any new travel opportunities that come up, but at some point I probably ought to concentrate on cashing out.

Do you build your balance indefinitely? Do you cash them all out ASAP? Do you have a rule of thumb on when enough is enough?

I think a lot depends on if you have a P2, what your plans are and how fast/easy you can replenish your points.

I don't have a P2 and have low expenses so I don't earn and burn unless that was why I got the card. I will also take advantage, when I can, to accrue more of what I know I'll use - UR, hyatt, alaska, delta and Hilton.

I have used ur and mr to help cover af but the ur was really so I'd have the credit on the card to help cover a dlr trip. I'd paid the af without issue a few months prior. Did with the gold because I only kept it due to the decent retention offer I got and wanted to offset the af.
 
One of the things I've been thinking about lately is how high do I want to keep my balances in various transferable point programs when I don't have any particular upcoming use for the points. I know I want to keep enough to have flexibility to book any new travel opportunities that come up, but at some point I probably ought to concentrate on cashing out.

Do you build your balance indefinitely? Do you cash them all out ASAP? Do you have a rule of thumb on when enough is enough?

As the old saying goes on this board, there's no one right way to churn.

The most common mantra is to "earn and burn" so one can stay ahead of eventual devaluations. These can include cash out options like the Schwab going from 1.25 down to 1.1. It also includes increases in AFs like the CSR. The number of points you are redeeming annually from Chase Ultimate Rewards determines whether you are better off keeping a CSP or CIP at $95 per year or if doing so is costing you money and you'd be better off keeping a CSR at $550 per year. If you are redeeming 80,000 UR points a year and spending $300 in travel categories each year, you keep a CSR, if less, you keep a CSP or CIP. PYB also affects the math on that.

Then there are the transferrable program devaluations to consider. Marriott BonBlah doing away with award charts and going dynamic. This lit a fire under me and caused me to find 5 nights at the Al Maha this year before the value of my points plummeted. If I didn't have 500k BonBlah points lying around and of course enough PTO time to do this trip, I would have been out of luck. I was unable to book more aspirational Hyatt properties before the new devaluation but that was because of the timing of the availability to book with Hyatt and my PTO bank, not a lack of Hyatt points or UR points to transfer over.

For me and PlanePrincess, there is no enough is enough. There can never be enough since we go through over a million points a year on a normal travel year. I am forever adding places to visit and things to do that fall outside of our vacation budget. We accomplish those destination goals with this hobby. When the pandemic hit and there was nowhere to go for us, we concentrated on earning points for some bucket list trips paid for with points while sitting and waiting for things to normalize. One of those is Galapagos for later this year. Another is returning to Antarctica, but for a 24 night trip this time. That one will cost 3.4 million Hyatt/UR points. I'm still a ways off after redeeming for Galapagos. Plus, I still have trips that I want to pay for using points each year. While I consider my strategy to be an opportunistic hoarder rather than earn and burn, in reality, it is a bit of both. Do what works best for you.
 
One of the things I've been thinking about lately is how high do I want to keep my balances in various transferable point programs when I don't have any particular upcoming use for the points. I know I want to keep enough to have flexibility to book any new travel opportunities that come up, but at some point I probably ought to concentrate on cashing out.

Do you build your balance indefinitely? Do you cash them all out ASAP? Do you have a rule of thumb on when enough is enough?
I cash them out when it makes sense to me. I feel a lot better about spending 144,000 Hilton points for five days in San Diego than I would paying 1,300 of real money for it. I do tend to earn and burn UR because they transfer to SW. For MR I keep a decent stash for more aspirational uses.
 
One of the things I've been thinking about lately is how high do I want to keep my balances in various transferable point programs when I don't have any particular upcoming use for the points. I know I want to keep enough to have flexibility to book any new travel opportunities that come up, but at some point I probably ought to concentrate on cashing out.

Do you build your balance indefinitely? Do you cash them all out ASAP? Do you have a rule of thumb on when enough is enough?
I earn and use points exclusively for travel when we do travel, but I am not a churner so it is a slower earn. I keep my 5 cards that I use regularly and 2 that only get used occasionally and do not churn any of them. I put almost all of our expenses (except for a few bills) on the cards, depending on which card gives the most points for the purchase/bill. So, I don't really "earn and burn" or cash points out just for the sake of not keeping high balances. I usually have a healthy (for me) stash or URs, MRs, Discover cash and SW RR. Right now I am a little low for my needs but it is building up more quickly than one would think considering I don't churn.
 

Quick SW question. If P2 buys me a ticket for a flight using her RRs can she fly as my companion? I don't see why this would be a problem but we are just getting used to being a 1 CP family. She has all the points left right now but I'm the one with the CP.
nevermind.....I need my coffee:rolleyes1
 
I need some input from internet strangers and out of all the forums I dabble in I trust the judgements of everyone here the most :sunny:.

I have been amassing Amex points with the goal of surprising DH for our 15th anniversary. I am going lie-flat first class on Hawaiian :smokin:. Only bummer is I have to leave out of SEA to get the A330 with the lie flats. I was planning on doing the platinum pay with points +35% back. On a $1200ish ticket it seems to make the most sense. I just can't seem to pick an island! We have done Oahu (our first trip was here and we have some real warm and fuzzy vibes for North Shore/Turtle Bay), and we just did Kauai for the first time in December and loved Princeville/Hanalei except they were having crazy heavy rains and flooding--the ocean was terrifying and it was pretty chilly. I think that was an extreme due to December+ a bad weather system but I don't know--are Kauai beaches swimmable in late summer?

So for those that Hawaii....On an 6-8 night trip sometime in August-Oct would you island hop and cover both Oahu and Kauai or just pick a lane and settle in for a week? I've done an island hop before and even though it's only <1 hour flight it really does manage to eat a day. We've done the tourist things so it would be beach, relaxing, and hitting some favorites.
when I looked for thisthe points were insane, for 3 of us here from MCO was 1m points and 400k for coach regardless of the carrier, for a 1200$ tickets much better to spend cash no? I take it you are doing an AMEX business for the pay yourself back my real question is did you find a better deal than I did? and yeah island-hopping kills a day.
 
when I looked for thisthe points were insane, for 3 of us here from MCO was 1m points and 400k for coach regardless of the carrier, for a 1200$ tickets much better to spend cash no? I take it you are doing an AMEX business for the pay yourself back my real question is did you find a better deal than I did? and yeah island-hopping kills a day.

$1200 Biz Class ticket would cost 75k MRs with the Amex Biz Plat - so pretty good use of points unless you can find better value by transferring to an airline program.
 
I'm wondering where you all are seeing $1200 Biz seats to HI? The cheapest I'm seeing is $1,700 on AS and the cheapest for Lie-Flat is $2,200 out of ORD. The cheapest I saw out of MCO when I looked was $1,800 but that requires an overnight somewhere. For a lie flat on a decent routing was $2,400.
 
One of the things I've been thinking about lately is how high do I want to keep my balances in various transferable point programs when I don't have any particular upcoming use for the points. I know I want to keep enough to have flexibility to book any new travel opportunities that come up, but at some point I probably ought to concentrate on cashing out.

Do you build your balance indefinitely? Do you cash them all out ASAP? Do you have a rule of thumb on when enough is enough?

Small time churner here. First of all, I am an opportunist when it comes to collecting points. Like some, I am not a 'real' churner in that I can go a year easily without app'ing for a card.

Our friend, @SouthFayetteFan, showed us that cashing out when you get up there is the thing to do. Up there was in the $10K range, so that might be a point of reference for UR's. Keep that many on hand and cash out from there.

But certain currencies call out to me and I like to have a small stash. One would be UR's as they are so flexible and can be cashed out, transferred or used through the travel portal.

It's never been my goal to use points to 100% cover a trip - ie not real churner.

However I do like to supplement and control price increases by using some 'free' money.

And, I can get carried away, where during the time when big changes were happening with SPG/Marriott, I supplemented my one Marriott card with 4 more, before that couldn't be done anymore. I stopped short of picking up the Ritz card. This resulted in adding to my Marriott total points and at one point I wasn't that far off from a million. Who needs that many Marriott points? Not me. My lifestyle doesn't really do many aspirational properties. But, I was able to get rooms for family all over the place, including Hawaii, and that made me feel happy and generous.

Now I'm in a reasonable 200k of Marriott points and rising a bit as I have all these free nights to spend.

Overall, hotel cards work best for me. I find that if one doesn't work, another will. For almost a year and a half I did little traveling, but I'm back on the road again and will travel this summer, visiting the beaches which is my greatest enjoyment.

And a fomo moment - I almost app'ed for the IHG biz this morning, but I stopped myself. I have the old $49 card and it gives its FNC in August, so that's when I need to apply to keep those nights on a similar schedule. Plus, I'm finding the 140K a little 'small' considering how high some of the hotels can go - summer in Ocean City, Maryland -106K. So maybe they'll toss a little more value into the card as time passes. My IHG point total is about 9K as I've spent a lot of them over the years.

I'm not planning for a family, even though I spend points on family. But, I keep enough on the table to have an option according to my lifestyle.

This is a bit different from those who enhance their lifestyles and do things their budget would never allow without churning. I'm glad they have these options and love reading about their adventures.

So I have a good stash of UR's, a mini stash of MR's (Amex), some Radisson points - a couple hundred thousand but they don't go too far, same with Marriott (plus all those FNC's), a small stash of Amtrak points - one day I'll use the Autotrain, small amount of IHG, a nice stash of Hyatt points (mostly transferred UR's, and a few Hilton points. I even have a few Disney points but only because earned from getting Chase offers. And some leftover Southwest points.

Not a whole lot of anything, but enough to let me do what I want. Amex MR's allowed me to buy a $2000 ride on lawn mower. Other's might have used those points for lie flat seats. I'm not flying quite so high but sure enjoy not pushing.

This hobby has also kept me focused and I've definitely saved money on everyday spend because I pay attention. My Costco spending gets 7% off. 2% with executive and 5% because I use fee free visa cards for all but large items I want the additional 2 year warranty on, like fridges and dishwashers. Just saved $30 on insurance with the Amex offer.

Cashing out - I do that with my Navy Federal cards. I opened a separate savings account and whenever I get to $50, it goes in that account. It's quite healthy. But now I'm trying to figure out if I'm better off going the gift card route on a few expenses I put on these cards.

In other words, you do you.
 
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I probably missed this if talked about. Are Universal tickets available on the Chase portal? I know I bought them that way in 2019 but now with the new portal, I can't find them.
 
$1200 Biz Class ticket would cost 75k MRs with the Amex Biz Plat - so pretty good use of points unless you can find better value by transferring to an airline program.
ahh i missed the 75k part what airline is that? or is this points on amex travel, i should have done this for hawaii i looked at delta/alaska/Hawaiin and the points were in sane.
 
For anyone else who follows 'little' offers: Whenever I buy fee free gift cards at Staples, I always check the receipt for coupons.

I seem to get a nice enough amount of $10 off $20 offers. Sometimes they also come in my text messages.

Last week I bought some Kcups and some furniture polish. So 24 pack of Kcups and a can of Pledge for $11.xx and 5x UR's using CIC.

Today it was Kcups again and a 6 pack of blood orange sodas for $11.29 and 5x UR's using CIC.

Oh and I forgot - I went in to buy gift cards both times, but they were out of the fee free last week when I went.

edit: actually it was this week both trips, like Monday and then Saturday...
 
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when I looked for thisthe points were insane, for 3 of us here from MCO was 1m points and 400k for coach regardless of the carrier, for a 1200$ tickets much better to spend cash no? I take it you are doing an AMEX business for the pay yourself back my real question is did you find a better deal than I did? and yeah island-hopping kills a day.
ahh i missed the 75k part what airline is that? or is this points on amex travel, i should have done this for hawaii i looked at delta/alaska/Hawaiin and the points were in sane.

I'm confused - I was simply responding to your post asking if it was better to pay cash for a $1200 ticket. I was just stating that that ticket would cost 75k MRs (actually 78k MRs) using the Amex Business Plat and getting the 35% points rebate.
 
I need some input from internet strangers and out of all the forums I dabble in I trust the judgements of everyone here the most :sunny:.

I have been amassing Amex points with the goal of surprising DH for our 15th anniversary. I am going lie-flat first class on Hawaiian :smokin:. Only bummer is I have to leave out of SEA to get the A330 with the lie flats. I was planning on doing the platinum pay with points +35% back. On a $1200ish ticket it seems to make the most sense. I just can't seem to pick an island! We have done Oahu (our first trip was here and we have some real warm and fuzzy vibes for North Shore/Turtle Bay), and we just did Kauai for the first time in December and loved Princeville/Hanalei except they were having crazy heavy rains and flooding--the ocean was terrifying and it was pretty chilly. I think that was an extreme due to December+ a bad weather system but I don't know--are Kauai beaches swimmable in late summer?

So for those that Hawaii....On an 6-8 night trip sometime in August-Oct would you island hop and cover both Oahu and Kauai or just pick a lane and settle in for a week? I've done an island hop before and even though it's only <1 hour flight it really does manage to eat a day. We've done the tourist things so it would be beach, relaxing, and hitting some favorites.

I’m on Maui now. Highly recommend. Also I have enjoyed our trips to Kona. When we were younger DH and I didn’t mind island hopping but now it feels like too much trouble and a day lost. I may try it one time so I can visit Pearl Harbor and not just stay on Oahu, but we really just love spending the time in one place


One of the things I've been thinking about lately is how high do I want to keep my balances in various transferable point programs when I don't have any particular upcoming use for the points. I know I want to keep enough to have flexibility to book any new travel opportunities that come up, but at some point I probably ought to concentrate on cashing out.

Do you build your balance indefinitely? Do you cash them all out ASAP? Do you have a rule of thumb on when enough is enough?


DH and I play the points game exclusively for travel so we have never cashed out. Instead, if we think we have a lot of points I just find a way to use them for a small trip or something. We don’t really churn and we don’t get all that many cards in a given year, but it’s been enough to really reduce our OOP spend on travel and allow us to do some “fancier” things like fly in lie flat seats a lot of the time.

I think you just have to do what works for you and if that’s cashing out then there nothing wrong with that.
 
I probably missed this if talked about. Are Universal tickets available on the Chase portal? I know I bought them that way in 2019 but now with the new portal, I can't find them.

I haven’t seen them in the last couple of weeks but haven’t looked prior to that (in the new portal). I know on the old portal they would disappear and then pop up again. I am hoping that will be true but have no idea.
 
I'm confused - I was simply responding to your post asking if it was better to pay cash for a $1200 ticket. I was just stating that that ticket would cost 75k MRs (actually 78k MRs) using the Amex Business Plat and getting the 35% points rebate.
from what I've seen to Hawaii i haven't seen a 1200$ first class ticket its all been 3500-5k. I was curious where they got a 75k point redemption from. ( i looked for this for a few weeks spartically) at least from the east coast coach is 100-150k points and 250-300k points for lie flats.
 
I have never cashed out, I hope to use them all for travel eventually. But I was thinking randomly (I would not do this most likely, unless there was a good reason). I have 1.2 million UR's, if I just straight cashed them out for a check, would they really send me a check that size?? That's crazy.
 
I have never cashed out, I hope to use them all for travel eventually. But I was thinking randomly (I would not do this most likely, unless there was a good reason). I have 1.2 million UR's, if I just straight cashed them out for a check, would they really send me a check that size?? That's crazy.
They would either send you a check for the $12,000 or do a direct deposit into your bank account. If you can take advantage of any of the PYB categories they would be worth more
 
I have never cashed out, I hope to use them all for travel eventually. But I was thinking randomly (I would not do this most likely, unless there was a good reason). I have 1.2 million UR's, if I just straight cashed them out for a check, would they really send me a check that size?? That's crazy.

Good safety net/emergency fund if needed.
 
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