I lost 40 points. What does this mean?

[Toad_Passenger]

Then are you saying all "marriage" should be called civil union in terms of the government??

I don't care what the government calls it, and I don't care if it's man-woman, woman-woman, man-man, man-Venusian, woman-Martian, I think the government's definition of a combined entity for taxation, etc. should be kept COMPLETELY separate from any religious definition.

If you want the "rite" as observed in one's religion, then go for it.

As others have stated, the insistence that the civil part of marriage and the religious part must be linked is ridiculous.

 

[akhenaten]

We will have to agree to disagree because I clearly read bashing.

I do apologize as I think I am confusing two posts. CF99 (OP) got points bc of a Gay Days post but Dr M referenced the thread that was started by a Mod where I say there is political bashing going on.

yes i see, Dr.M referenced 2 additional posts.. one in which Dr.M got points for defending christianity and the other one that was "political" started by a mod....
and then there is the OP's points thread...(gay days)

 

[dngnb8]

One of things that irks me no end is the amount of OT that goes on throughout the boards. There's a Disney for Families forum. I'd say 30 to 40 percent of the threads are about family issues unrelated to Disney. The Gay and Lesbian at Disney forum should be about issues related to being AT DISNEY. Politics, by default, would be OT.

Also, the FAQ link on the top of every page goes here:

http://www.wdwinfo.com/guidelines.htm

Then that begs the question, why the special notice in Community? Maybe for consistency sake, it should be copied and pasted and stiky'd in every forum.

 

[CowboyCO]

One of things that irks me no end is the amount of OT that goes on throughout the boards. There's a Disney for Families forum. I'd say 30 to 40 percent of the threads are about family issues unrelated to Disney. The Gay and Lesbian at Disney forum should be about issues related to being AT DISNEY. Politics, by default, would be OT.

Also, the FAQ link on the top of every page goes here:

http://www.wdwinfo.com/guidelines.htm

I guess I don't understand why there is a forum about being gay at Disney anymore than I would understand forums about being African American at Disney, Caucasion at Disney, Blonde at Disney, Tall at Disney, Short, Overweight, etc.

I understand forums for families, solo travelers, people with disabilities, UK visitors, spanish/non-english speaking, etc. (Gay people are all pat of these groups)

What struggles would the Gay and Lesbian community have that needs a special thread? Disneyworld is gay-friendly, there aren't any restrictions to my knowledge about behavior that differ between gay and straight people, right?

My wife's BFF is a lesbian in a union with her partner and they have a child together. When they asked us for tips on planning their Disney vacation, their sexual orientation never even came up. It just isn't an issue at Disney.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I guess I don't understand why there is a forum about being gay at Disney anymore than I would understand forums about being African American at Disney, Caucasion at Disney, Blonde at Disney, Tall at Disney, Short, Overweight, etc.

Why is there a Teens' board? Why is there a Dis Dads' board?

Why does it matter?

 

[PrincessKsMom]

I guess I don't understand why there is a forum about being gay at Disney anymore than I would understand forums about being African American at Disney, Caucasion at Disney, Blonde at Disney, Tall at Disney, Short, Overweight, etc.

I understand forums for families, solo travelers, people with disabilities, UK visitors, spanish/non-english speaking, etc. (Gay people are all pat of these groups)

What struggles would the Gay and Lesbian community have that needs a special thread? Disneyworld is gay-friendly, there aren't any restrictions to my knowledge about behavior that differ between gay and straight people, right?

My wife's BFF is a lesbian in a union with her partner and they have a child together. When they asked us for tips on planning their Disney vacation, their sexual orientation never even came up. It just isn't an issue at Disney.

If you don't acquire any more points, your signature will return with these points expire.

I don't usually comment on infractions publicly, but I will here since you've brought this up.

We're pretty intolerant of rudeness here, especially insults or attacks on other members. If someone is offended by another poster's opinions, values, lifestyle, religion, etc., it's best to learn to walk away or just say nothing. When you do speak to or about other posters, please do so with respect.

In regard to the opinions you expressed regarding Gay Days (and "gay" in general), consider this: The DIS is owned by a gay man. Some of the moderators here are gay. Many of the members here are gay. Lots of the cast members who create the magic we love so much at Disney are gay. If you have a problem with "gay", this is probably not a place you'll be happy spending much time.

Posting anti-gay sentiments on our Gay and Lesbian forum is not at all cool.

His sandbox, his rules. No further explanation needed.

 

[JenM]

If I recalll, the ban was before the election - and posters were being punished for supporting conservative points of view. The ban wasn't to stop political discussion, as evidenced by political threads started by mods. It was to silence conservative voices.

The way I recall it, both sides of the political spectrum couldn't go 10 posts in a thread without become incessantly nasty with one another. It seems like people (regardless of party affiliation) were starting threads just to irk other posters into what would be a prolonged argument.

There were also the threads dedicated to 'each' party that spent a lot of time taking veiled (and sometimes not-so-veiled) swipes at the people they assumed were lurking on each other's thread.

Plus both sides of the political universe were putting images in their sigs that took nasty swipes at each other's political views that must have led to a ton of complaints to the mods every time someone saw one that offended them.

I'm assuming that the mods finally had enough and decided that if people couldn't act like grownups when having a political discussion, they weren't going to allow it all. I'm a mod on another forum, and frankly I don't know how they were able to stomach the madness on here as long as they did.

I have my own political views, and even the threads about opinions I support were embarrassing to read sometimes. That's how bad it got. It wasn't one side over the other, both sides misbehaved a great deal.

 

[marmalade]

I guess I don't understand why there is a forum about being gay at Disney anymore than I would understand forums about being African American at Disney, Caucasion at Disney, Blonde at Disney, Tall at Disney, Short, Overweight, etc.

I understand forums for families, solo travelers, people with disabilities, UK visitors, spanish/non-english speaking, etc. (Gay people are all pat of these groups)

What struggles would the Gay and Lesbian community have that needs a special thread? Disneyworld is gay-friendly, there aren't any restrictions to my knowledge about behavior that differ between gay and straight people, right?

My wife's BFF is a lesbian in a union with her partner and they have a child together. When they asked us for tips on planning their Disney vacation, their sexual orientation never even came up. It just isn't an issue at Disney.

You're right, it's not Disney that places restrictions on the LGBT community it's cetain members of society that places those restrictions.

 

[akhenaten]

You're right, it's not Disney that places restrictions on the LGBT community it's cetain members of society that places those restrictions.

Which is exactly why this thread was started.. The OP got points for going to the gay board and posting a point worthy comment..

I see nothing wrong with a separate board.....

 

[gometros]

The way I see it, going into an LGBT community thread to bash gay/lesbian behavior is no different than going into Harlem wearing a white hood or going into a Synagogue wearing a swastika. You're looking for a fight. If you don't agree with a certain way of life or belief, then don't go where you are likely to find people of that ilk.

 

[dngnb8]

His sandbox, his rules. No further explanation needed.

On the contrary. His rules arent being followed and they are being applied to others differently.

Considering the Disney Corporate Connection, I can see a risk with uneven application based on political or social bias.

I work in a public industry, and something that is always said is

"What could the Media do with this story"

The question refers to the fact that the Media isnt fair and can take something and blow it up into something one never had intended. The Media doesnt care if it is wrong or right, just as long as they get their ratings.

Moderating isnt as easy as people believe. It is easy to Moderate ones personal views while ignoring the boards median. When wearing the Mod hat, one should be neutral. I think the complaint here is that there is a perception that isnt the case. Admin should evaluate that.

 

[Nancyg56]

I'm still trying to figure out how someone intolerant of gay's would even be on the gay thread?

Looking for trouble I would think.

I don't care what the government calls it, and I don't care if it's man-woman, woman-woman, man-man, man-Venusian, woman-Martian, I think the government's definition of a combined entity for taxation, etc. should be kept COMPLETELY separate from any religious definition.

If you want the "rite" as observed in one's religion, then go for it.

As others have stated, the insistence that the civil part of marriage and the religious part must be linked is ridiculous.

I think that I agree. If the government insists on using specific definitions of marriage worthy people in order to satisfy a religious belief then I believe it is time to change how government officials interfere in personal rights and liberties based on their personal religious beliefs.I do not think that anyone should be excluded and feel that if we need to change how we refer to the legal portion of unifying a couple then that is what this society needs to do. I live in a State where Gay marriage is legal and it would be wonderful if our laws encouraged more folks to move here but should they have to in order to enjoy the same protections under the law that others enjoy? No. But I think we all need to be under the same umbrella. If one group needs a "civil union" in order to be considered a legally wed couple then everyone needs that. I cannot skip a step because I am marrying a member of the opposite step...........no skipping to the head of the class!

Then that begs the question, why the special notice in Community? Maybe for consistency sake, it should be copied and pasted and stiky'd in every forum.

Actually I believe the rules need to be posted on the home page and that should be enough. We are not in 3rd grade where we need to be reminded to mind my manners every time we make a turn.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

On the contrary. His rules arent being followed and they are being applied to others differently.

Considering the Disney Corporate Connection, I can see a risk with uneven application based on political or social bias.

I work in a public industry, and something that is always said is

"What could the Media do with this story"

The question refers to the fact that the Media isnt fair and can take something and blow it up into something one never had intended. The Media doesnt care if it is wrong or right, just as long as they get their ratings.

Moderating isnt as easy as people believe. It is easy to Moderate ones personal views while ignoring the boards median. When wearing the Mod hat, one should be neutral. I think the complaint here is that there is a perception that isnt the case. Admin should evaluate that.

So what exactly are you advocating? Calling the owner directly to whine about a Mod or calling the media and involving Disney to have the website shut down?

 

[dngnb8]

Actually I believe the rules need to be posted on the home page and that should be enough. We are not in 3rd grade where we need to be reminded to mind my manners every time we make a turn.

I dont disagree. But I interpreted the post to mean in this forum and since it wasnt in the G/L forum, I concluded it was allowed.

The specific post here threw me.

 

[Uncle Remus]

On the contrary. His rules arent being followed and they are being applied to others differently.

Considering the Disney Corporate Connection, I can see a risk with uneven application based on political or social bias.

I work in a public industry, and something that is always said is

"What could the Media do with this story"

The question refers to the fact that the Media isnt fair and can take something and blow it up into something one never had intended. The Media doesnt care if it is wrong or right, just as long as they get their ratings.

Moderating isnt as easy as people believe. It is easy to Moderate ones personal views while ignoring the boards median. When wearing the Mod hat, one should be neutral. I think the complaint here is that there is a perception that isnt the case. Admin should evaluate that.

The DIS is a community, one should remember that 'n as in any community, ya have folks that disagree. While I wouldn't speak for any Moderator here, I'm sure they're doin' the best they can in what they consider fair to make the DIS a hospitable 'n welcomin' place. If one doesn't feel welcomed, it might be because certain actions aren't. I doubt those same actions would be welcomed in any community.

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

Hey guys,

Closing the thread since the question has been answered, and these threads really don't give license to start criticizing the way the boards are moderated, etc.

I consider myself pretty much a conservative, and haven't felt attacked by the WMs or fellow mods because of my views - they respect mine and I respect theirs.

Of course, I read some of the comments on here, and just wanted to respond a bit. When Pete set up the boards back in '97, his main goal was to share his love and knowledge of Disney. The DIS has fantastic information (wdwinfo), and gives all of us a a great venue to share and to learn on its forums.

From that, as you know, friendships were formed, and the Community Board was created so we could chat about non-Disney stuff. His stipulation has always been - keep it family friendly. There are plenty of other forums where 'adult' conversations can be held. This is not the place for it. His guidance to us has always been to keep it friendly on the boards, and he would much rather we join in and chat than be police. However, the webmasters can't be everywhere, and sometimes people don't really understand (or maybe some don't care) that to participate here we should all respect each other. So, we mods work with the WMs to try and keep the peace.

Pete refers to the forums being a family friendly environment in this week's live podcast recording (held on 11 December 2011). It will be uploaded soon. http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-podcast/

Although I'm conservative, I really try to be impartial, as many of you who've had pm exchanges with me know. Sometimes I do make mistakes, and will reverse warnings/infractions, or will go to the webmasters for a ruling. Sometimes I'm told "don't sweat it" and I let it go.

I really believe that the WMs and my co-mods try to make this a friendly place for everyone. Most agree, some do not, but that's just the way it goes. If any of you have issues with the boards or posts please send a note to the WMs at admin@wdwinfo.com. They will decide if posts should stay or go.

With all of the real issues in the world I can't get too excited about the posts on an internet forum. But I say with sincerity that I appreciate all of you for posting your thoughts, problems, resolutions, and fluff, etc., here on the DIS. I have learned a lot from you, and have smiled more than you can know.