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[Mosoh]

We don't need to know that much about the case. We weren't on the jury (nor were any of those who are so sure of their opinion). It was the jury's decision, not ours.

Further, we have the wherewithal to know, internalize and understand that the verdict in this case never was and never will be our call. I didn't agree with the OJ verdict, but I dealt with it because it is our American justice system and went on with my life. Is it a perfect system? No. But it's the best we have for now and the most fair to the greatest amount of people who've ever gone through it. Just because one or two cases in 20 years happen along where we don't like the outcome, that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater and declare our system bad, wrong or broken.

Who said it's broken? It didn't work this time. One or two cases in twenty years? If only that were true

You brush of an injustice with a cynical indifference, many of us don't. Where you admit knowing little about this case yet feel your opinions on the case are valid due to the fact that the responsibility was on someone else's shoulders. Why even join the disussion? We all know we can't change the travisty. It is you trying to change passions - that's an even greater imposition imo

 

[bevgray]

You are missing the point. It is not for me to judge or you to judge. Neither of us was on that jury which means, even with "gavel to gavel" coverage, we remain outside of that courtroom and are not in a position to judge anyone.

You can only express an opinion. But I also have the right to express an opinion. I am not expressing an opinion on the case itself. I wasn't present in the courtroom and did not have access to the evidence. I am expressing an opinion that it is wrong to pillory a jury just because you don't agree with their decision.

Also, for those taking it personally, I am not calling out individual "yous" but rather "you" in general.

 

[ols386]

I pass judgement based on the fact that the Jury acquitted this woman. Therefore, the Prosecution did not provide the burden of proof required.

Just as those who apparently immersed themselves in the media feeding frenzy are passing judgement on 12 citizens who appear to have done their duty.

I wasn't there. I didn't hear the evidence. Neither did you unless you were one of the 12. If you are basing your own "call for guilt" on what you saw on television or have picked up from some "analyst", then you have only an opinion and, thank God, we are not convicted on "opinion" in this country.

Frankly, I did peek in on some of the commentary after the verdict. Simply because the outrage of some of my co-workers who seemed to be wanting to storm the courthouse with a rope. Their fury seemed disproportionate to me so I was curious. I heard some analyst (who claimed to be a judge) throwing out passionate claims that the jury had not been instructed properly and the poor little girl was not given justice. All I can say is it's a good thing that female is no longer on the bench. There is a reason Justice is usually depicted as blindfolded and holding scales.

Passion and empathy have no place in the legal system. If we allow that, we are one step away from a return to mob rule. If that child had been a 13 year old, cross-eyed male, I wonder if there would have been quite the angst that has been prevalent. Much of what I've heard bears a distressing similarity to the kind of hysteria one sees at sporting events. My team "lost". It isn't fair! There are no winners or losers here. A child died. The mother may or may not have a hand in that death. However, the legal system worked. I'd be far more concerned in a jury bowed to public and media pressure to convict. "To Kill a Mockingbird" anyone?

That poor little girl wasn't given justice. She is dead. No one is being held accountable.

Yes, I think if it were a 13-year-old, cross-eyed male (using your words), there would have been every bit as much angst, based on the bahavior of the mother. She lied, lied, lied, and lied some more. She was obviously covering up something.

I do agree that there were no winners in this case, although one might think there is, considering that the entire defense team was toasting champaign, jumping up and down, etc. etc., after the verdict.

 

[tlmdisney]

Seriously?

I *NO* longer believe in our educational system. Good grief.

 

[brea]

That poor little girl wasn't given justice. She is dead. No one is being held accountable.

No one is being held accountable in a manner that's acceptable to you. There's quite a few ways all of the people involved are living with their decisions, actions, or inactions and they'll live with them the rest of their life.

 

[mickeyboat]

That poor little girl wasn't given justice. She is dead. No one is being held accountable.

Sometimes it just isn't possible. But I do believe Casey will lead a miserable life and will someday answer to the ultimate judge.

 

[ols386]

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Is it a terrible tragedy that child lost her life? ABSOTIVELY

Is her mother breaking new ground in the "Mother of the year awards in hell"? POSILOUTELY

Did she do it? Based on the information known it cannot be determined beyond a reasonable doubt!!!

I consider myself to follow the bible and it's guide about living life. If I were on the jury I would take serious issue with the fact that they were asking me to find her guilty where they were seeking the death penalty. I also would require that the case be proven "BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT" and from what I know so far I did not see anything that could bring me to that conclusion.

The interesting thing about following the Bible is that I also believe there's clear guidance on care for children and that you can and will be judged for that when you meet your maker so I could give that verdict and feel comfortable that if wrong my mistake would be resolved at the appropriate time.

They could have convicted her with a lesser charge, like 2nd degree murder, or aggrevated manslaughter. Those two charges don't include the dealth penalty.

 

[Carly_Roach]

I pass judgement based on the fact that the Jury acquitted this woman. Therefore, the Prosecution did not provide the burden of proof required.

Just as those who apparently immersed themselves in the media feeding frenzy are passing judgement on 12 citizens who appear to have done their duty.

I wasn't there. I didn't hear the evidence. Neither did you unless you were one of the 12. If you are basing your own "call for guilt" on what you saw on television or have picked up from some "analyst", then you have only an opinion and, thank God, we are not convicted on "opinion" in this country.

Frankly, I did peek in on some of the commentary after the verdict. Simply because the outrage of some of my co-workers who seemed to be wanting to storm the courthouse with a rope. Their fury seemed disproportionate to me so I was curious. I heard some analyst (who claimed to be a judge) throwing out passionate claims that the jury had not been instructed properly and the poor little girl was not given justice. All I can say is it's a good thing that female is no longer on the bench. There is a reason Justice is usually depicted as blindfolded and holding scales.

Passion and empathy have no place in the legal system. If we allow that, we are one step away from a return to mob rule. If that child had been a 13 year old, cross-eyed male, I wonder if there would have been quite the angst that has been prevalent. Much of what I've heard bears a distressing similarity to the kind of hysteria one sees at sporting events. My team "lost". It isn't fair! There are no winners or losers here. A child died. The mother may or may not have a hand in that death. However, the legal system worked. I'd be far more concerned in a jury bowed to public and media pressure to convict. "To Kill a Mockingbird" anyone?

You've put this very well. What we are witnessing now is exactly what we see during political events as well as sporting events. You are absolutely correct when you speak of the whole, "My team lost and it's not fair!!" atmosphere. Scary, isn't it?

I am fortunate where I work that no one seems to be following this case or seems to care. I spoke to my boss about it yesterday because it was brought to my attention via a news alert on my email telling me the verdict was coming in within the hour. He said, "She'll be found not guilty. Not enough evidence. Get back to work." And I would do well to remind myself (and others) that while it might seem that the "whole country" is in a tizzy about this, it just seems that way. It's mostly the media and the few hundred thousand or so who had the time on their hands to invest in watching what the talking box was telling them to watch that are getting all upset and emotional about this issue.

Most of the country....well, they've got lives to lead. They, like me, might have gotten involved and watched when the verdict came in, because they (like me) were too busy working on issues in our own lives, issues where we DID have the ability to change the outcome rather than invest time and emotion into something we couldn't change no matter how much we tried.

And they (like me) will tire of the passion, the hyperbole, the gnashing of teeth and turn their attention back to what is most important: our own lives.

It comforts me to know that this is only a media flap. Miss this one? No worries, there'll be another one along soon. The people who are so passionate right now crying for "justice for Caylee" will be the ones who, a month or two from now, will be wondering what new shows are going to be coming up in the fall and whether or not the latest SYTYCD or AI performer will make it to the top. And that'll be the end of their involvement in trying to change our American justice system. Trying to do that takes more than a mouse click, an angrily-worded post or a day spent protesting or passing a petition.

Americans are nothing if not notoriously lazy with notoriously short attention spans.

Tempest. Teapot. All over except the shouting. Time to go back to work.

 

[ols386]

No one is being held accountable in a manner that's acceptable to you. There's quite a few ways all of the people involved are living with their decisions, actions, or inactions and they'll live with them the rest of their life.

You are right. It's not acceptable to me.

 

[Kennywife]

That poor little girl wasn't given justice. She is dead. No one is being held accountable.

Yes, I think if it were a 13-year-old, cross-eyed male (using your words), there would have been every bit as much angst, based on the bahavior of the mother. She lied, lied, lied, and lied some more. She was obviously covering up something.

I do agree that there were no winners in this case, although one might think there is, considering that the entire defense team was toasting champaign, jumping up and down, etc. etc., after the verdict.

Yup. I don't care if it's a three day old baby or a teenager, a child is a child.

 

[joviroxx]

Most of the country....well, they've got lives to lead. They, like me, might have gotten involved and watched when the verdict came in, because they (like me) were too busy working on issues in our own lives, issues where we DID have the ability to change the outcome rather than invest time and emotion into something we couldn't change no matter how much we tried.

.

You aren't saying those of use that did follow do NOT have busy lives with important issues are you? ANd you've been posting on this board today since what time?

Your moral superiority is tiresome at times....

 

[Mosoh]

No one is being held accountable in a manner that's acceptable to you. There's quite a few ways all of the people involved are living with their decisions, actions, or inactions and they'll live with them the rest of their life.

I think you're wrong.

The verdict cleared her. She accused her father and admits to the drowning. She knew and was given a pass.

She has already shown she cares little about the loss of the child and was not held accountable for her part in it and never will be. The assumption she will suffer is a projection at best.

 

[luvmy3]

Your moral superiority is tiresome at times....

 

[brea]

They could have convicted her with a lesser charge, like 2nd degree murder, or aggrevated manslaughter. Those two charges don't include the dealth penalty.

All things you should be mad at the prosecution for. It was their choice to make those charges and take on the burden of proof for.

 

[ccgirl]

But you better not get caught with a pound+ of marijuana Kill your child

Drugs for recreation:

So messed up.

Right...but if you are caught with it you are caught with it and that is the evidence.

When people agree to be on a jury they have to agree they have no feeling one way or the other. They have to agree to listen to the evidence only.

The defendant is innocent until proven without a reasonable shadow of doubt.

Where is the murder weapon? Where is the witness? I think her attorney's did a great job of casting the reasonable shadow of doubt and I think the jurors did a great job of listening only to the evidence. Do I "think" she did it. Yes, but thinking someone did it is not the same thing as proving someone did it.

The reason why the jurors are come from all backgrounds is because here in the U.S. you are judged by a jury of your peers. Not by some medical board.

 

[joviroxx]

All things you should be mad at the prosecution for. It was their choice to make those charges and take on the burden of proof for.

Those charges were available to the jury on the verdict form. They rejected them

 

[brea]

I think you're wrong.

The verdict cleared her. She accused her father and admits to the drowning. She knew and was given a pass.

She has already shown she cares little about the loss of the child and was not held accountable for her part in it and never will be. The assumption she will suffer is a projection at best.

If you want her to be held accountable to our judicial system then you're right. I'm stating that there's mental, religious, and social accountability to be had here that is only beginning.

 

[pilferk]

I posted last night, involuntary manslaughter was not on the form.

The state of Florida has no such distinction.

Manslaughter, in all it's forms, are rolled into one charge, including involuntary manslaughter/manslaughter caused by negligence.

So they couldn't have charged her, specifically, with "involuntary manslaughter"....but the manslaughter charge covers it.

 

[ols386]

You've put this very well. What we are witnessing now is exactly what we see during political events as well as sporting events. You are absolutely correct when you speak of the whole, "My team lost and it's not fair!!" atmosphere. Scary, isn't it?

I am fortunate where I work that no one seems to be following this case or seems to care. I spoke to my boss about it yesterday because it was brought to my attention via a news alert on my email telling me the verdict was coming in within the hour. He said, "She'll be found not guilty. Not enough evidence. Get back to work." And I would do well to remind myself (and others) that while it might seem that the "whole country" is in a tizzy about this, it just seems that way. It's mostly the media and the few hundred thousand or so who had the time on their hands to invest in watching what the talking box was telling them to watch that are getting all upset and emotional about this issue.

Most of the country....well, they've got lives to lead. They, like me, might have gotten involved and watched when the verdict came in, because they (like me) were too busy working on issues in our own lives, issues where we DID have the ability to change the outcome rather than invest time and emotion into something we couldn't change no matter how much we tried.

And they (like me) will tire of the passion, the hyperbole, the gnashing of teeth and turn their attention back to what is most important: our own lives.

It comforts me to know that this is only a media flap. Miss this one? No worries, there'll be another one along soon. The people who are so passionate right now crying for "justice for Caylee" will be the ones who, a month or two from now, will be wondering what new shows are going to be coming up in the fall and whether or not the latest SYTYCD or AI performer will make it to the top. And that'll be the end of their involvement in trying to change our American justice system. Trying to do that takes more than a mouse click, an angrily-worded post or a day spent protesting or passing a petition.

American's are nothing if not notoriously lazy with notoriously short attention spans.
Tempest. Teapot. All over except the shouting. Time to go back to work.

I love how you generalize about people. You don't know me and probably not anyone else on this board, or in the general population, personally, so how do you know what people will be doing or thinking about in the fall?

As long as you're generalizing, do you include youself in the statement about American's being lazy with short attention spans?

 

[Mosoh]

You aren't saying those of use that did follow do NOT have busy lives with important issues are you? ANd you've been posting on this board today since what time?

Your moral superiority is tiresome at times....