I kid you not...one minute late...in line...turned away!

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My family and I had some wonderful experiences during our recent February trip to The World, but there was one experience that we just can't shake. We had a FP+ for The Little Mermaid Show at DHS. We came out of One Mans Dream and stopped to use the restroom. We arrived at the FP+ entrance to Mermaid with about five families in front of us. They let the five families go, and when they got to us, the pulled the rope closed and said we were one minute late for our FP+ and that we could not come in. I thought they were joking at first, and I said something like "Well we almost made it" as a joke, thinking that the CM was just messing with us. She then repeated that we could use the FP+ for the next show, but we would not be able to attend this showing. I asked her if she was serious and she said that we had missed our time. I told her we were in line and that the other five families were let in, but she said we arrived to the line later than our time...one minute late...I kid you not...one minute late. The stand-by line was already closed, so my wife, daughter and I just stood there, mouths agape, not truly believing that they were not going to let us in...to the Little Mermaid show on a Thursday afternoon! Not Toy Story...Not seven Dwarfs Mine Train...THE LITTLE MERMAID SHOW! I was so stinking mad that I had to walk away because I did not want to be a poor role model for my daughter, and, by rule, I was wrong...nor did I want it to ruin a beautiful trip we were having...all in all, it WAS only the The Mermaid show. But, in all my years going to Disney, never, NEVER, was I turned away from a ride or a ADR for being a few minutes late. Heck, we were 25 minutes past our Test Track time on this last trip and the CM said "close enough" to us and let us through after a brief explanation. The CM at The Mermaid Show was smug and took pleasure in telling us we couldn't see the show. I don't know if it is FP+ or what, but, in my opinion, this was absolutely ludicrous! Am I off base here? Has this ever happened to you...ONE MINUTE...when I was IN LINE!?

So just because "someone else let me do it" that's the rule? Sorry but you were the one who was late. I can't believe folks think you should go complain that "The rules don't apply to me"

The truth is the cast member who let you in to Test Track late was wrong. Disney has started enforcing those times. And you are an example of why, you wander up 25 minutes late and get on the ride, where's the line? If they cut if off at 5 minutes people would then be screaming "we were 6 minutes late only one minute after the cut off"
 
Why they were late doesn't matter. That they were late does. Stuff happens. The TT CM was extremely generous in giving the party FP+ access that much later than the designated window. Things balance out. They got to use one FP+ well after the window, and didn't get to use another one just outside it.

Sounds absolutely fair to me.

I wasn't commenting on fairness or not. Of course I think the TT CM was entirely fair. I never said otherwise. I also think it was fair of the CM at LM to let them use their fp for the next show. Again, I.never said otherwise.

I just disagree with making assumptions about whether or not the OP was consistently cutting it close with their fp times and taking advantage of the system. One can disagree with the OP without making those kinds of assumptions about them.
 
I'm so glad this thread survived long enough to see this gif.

Now how can we incorporate the Festivus episode in?

The entire DIS feels like the Festivus episode sometimes - its the "Airing of the Grievances" portion of the celebration!

Eta: Oops, i see this is a duplicate comment. . . Must be time to move on to the Feats of Strength
 

You're assuming the 25 mins late at TT was the op cutting it close when it may not have been. Perhaps they had an ADR before TT and were seated late at the ADR and they made it to TT as soon as they could. We just don't know.


It is up to the guest to schedule their day so that they can make the things they need reservations for FPs for. And I"m thinking if a late ADR seating was the case, they would have mentioned it.
 
I wasn't commenting on fairness or not. Of course I think the TT CM was entirely fair. I never said otherwise. I also think it was fair of the CM at LM to let them use their fp for the next show. Again, I.never said otherwise.

I just disagree with making assumptions about whether or not the OP was consistently cutting it close with their fp times and taking advantage of the system. One can disagree with the OP without making those kinds of assumptions about them.
Not making assumptions, just working with facts provided by OP
Fact one: OP was 25 minutes late for one ride.
Fact two: OP was one minute late for one show.
I don't assume the OP was characteristically or habitually late. I just know they were late twice, because they told us tgey were late twice.
 
Not making assumptions, just working with facts provided by OP
Fact one: OP was 25 minutes late for one ride.
Fact two: OP was one minute late for one show.
I don't assume the OP was characteristically or habitually late. I just know they were late twice, because they told us tgey were late twice.

I wasn't saying you were making the assumption. I originally responded to this quote:

Yes, when I read this, I thought it seems as though perhaps OP is making a habit/pattern of cutting it too close (and let's face it 25 minutes late isn't even close), since this is at least the second time it's happened to her. Understandable, everyone wants to see as much as they can, but you can't keep expecting people to make exceptions for you, when you're breaking the rules. Rules are rules, no matter the excuse/reason.
The bolded is the assumption to which I responded with the following:
You're assuming the 25 mins late at TT was the op cutting it close when it may not have been. Perhaps they had an ADR before TT and were seated late at the ADR and they made it to TT as soon as they could. We just don't know.

To which you responded:
Why they were late doesn't matter. That they were late does. Stuff happens. The TT CM was extremely generous in giving the party FP+ access that much later than the designated window. Things balance out. They got to use one FP+ well after the window, and didn't get to use another one just outside it.

Sounds absolutely fair to me.

I responded to you by saying that I wasn't commenting on the fairness of the CMs, and I agreed with you that they were entirely fair. I further explained that the point of my first post was a response to an assumption. My first post was clearly not a response to you, as you and I had not quoted each other or responded to each other at that point in the thread.

I hope this clears up the confusion here. I was not at all saying that you made the assumption to which I originally responded, nor the assumption to which I referred back to in my response to you (as I've only ever been referring to the one assumption I originally quoted.)
 
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It is up to the guest to schedule their day so that they can make the things they need reservations for FPs for. And I"m thinking if a late ADR seating was the case, they would have mentioned it.

I agree wholeheartedly that it's up to guests to schedule their day. But we all know sometimes things happen at Disney outside of our control. ADRs seating late, rides going down while we're on them, etc. There are many things that could have happened where the OP did in fact schedule their day so they could make their reservation, and something got in the way. Maybe the OP should have mentioned what it was they "explained" to the CM - the OP did say there was a situation explained there, just not what it was. But they didn't. They didn't state anything either way. None of us here *know* why they were late to TT - we weren't there.
 
we had the opposite experience at out last trip, we were 12 hours late for our FP because it was am, not pm... I was so embarrassed. The guy let us through anyway. I will be sure to double check from now on!
 
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we had the opposite experience at out las trip, we were 12 hours late for our FP because it was am, not pm... I was solo embarrassed. The guy let us through anyway. I will be sure to double check from now on!

That sooo sounds like something I would do!!!:blush:
 
I wasn't saying you were making the assumption. I originally responded to this quote:


The bolded is the assumption to which I responded with the following:


To which you responded:


I responded to you by saying that I wasn't commenting on the fairness of the CMs, and I agreed with you that they were entirely fair. I further explained that the point of my first post was a response to an assumption. My first post was clearly not a response to you, as you and I had not quoted each other or responded to each other at that point in the thread.

I hope this clears up the confusion here. I was not at all saying that you made the assumption to which I originally responded, nor the assumption to which I referred back to in my response to you (as I've only ever been referring to the one assumption I originally quoted.)

And since it's my post you're referring to, perhaps you would like to read it correctly. I said PERHAPS. That is not the same thing as assuming they are, or saying they ARE making a habit. It's saying there's a chance, but not a definite.

Perhaps you should stop making assumptions about what other people mean, if you want to accuse others of making assumptions ;)
 
Glad I don't dwell on all the people that air their grievances on the Dis about the 'rude' CM's. We've been here a week and haven't seen one yet, nor have we on any of our other trips. We 'have' seen some rude guests though. I really feel sorry for the CM's though, and try to give them extra smiles and greetings, and that's what we receive in return. We tend to 'get' what we 'give'!!
 
And since it's my post you're referring to, perhaps you would like to read it correctly. I said PERHAPS. That is not the same thing as assuming they are, or saying they ARE making a habit. It's saying there's a chance, but not a definite.

Perhaps you should stop making assumptions about what other people mean, if you want to accuse others of making assumptions ;)

I didn't think the "perhaps" applied to the rest of that post.

Yes, when I read this, I thought it seems as though perhaps OP is making a habit/pattern of cutting it too close (and let's face it 25 minutes late isn't even close), since this is at least the second time it's happened to her. Understandable, everyone wants to see as much as they can, but you can't keep expecting people to make exceptions for you, when you're breaking the rules. Rules are rules, no matter the excuse/reason.

That part came across to me as pretty definitively saying the OP was "expecting people to make exceptions" for them when they were "breaking the rules."

If I misread something, then I apologize.
 
Okay, allow me to break down this passage for you. :) My original comment:

"Yes, when I read this, I thought it seems as though perhaps OP is making a habit/pattern of cutting it too close (and let's face it 25 minutes late isn't even close), since this is at least the second time it's happened to her. Understandable, everyone wants to see as much as they can, but you can't keep expecting people to make exceptions for you, when you're breaking the rules. Rules are rules, no matter the excuse/reason."

1. Yes, when I read this, I thought it seems as though perhaps OP is making a habit/pattern of cutting it too close

We've already discussed the use of perhaps in this sentence, which means maybe, possibly. Thereby, making it quite clear I am not assuming this is the case, merely suggesting it as a possibility.

2. Understandable, everyone wants to see as much as they can

Just so we're clear here, the use of understandable interjects empathy on my part. It's a direct follow up to my previous sentence, which infers that if she is habitually cutting it too close, trying to see as much as she can, it is in fact, understandable. We all want to do as much as we can there! BUT....

3. you can't keep expecting people to make exceptions for you, when you're breaking the rules.

Stating that she is expecting people to make exceptions, was not an assumption on my part, rather, it was made quite clear by the OP by her remarks. This is easily derived from the fact that even though she was late, by their own admitted fault, she argued/complained/made remarks that were an attempt to change their mind, three times:

- "I said something like "Well we almost made it"
- "I asked her if she was serious"
- "I told her we were in line and that the other five families were let in"

Now, this next part is admittedly a generalization, but generally if someone is not expecting the CM to change their decision, they would not waste their time making the comments/arguments above. However, even if that generalization is indeed wrong by those examples, then let's review what the OP herself went on to say:

"Heck, we were 25 minutes past our Test Track time on this last trip and the CM said "close enough" to us and let us through"

Simple contextual reading allows us to know (not assume), that she is using the sentence to explain why she feels (expected) she should have been let in.

4. Rules are rules, no matter the excuse/reason.

I would think the phrase rules are rules are pretty self-explanatory. Rules are rules. Period. There are time limits (rules) set in place with FP+. They apply to everyone at Disney, regardless of circumstances. Sometimes exceptions are made - which this OPs post goes to show why they shouldn't be. Exceptions create precedent, which then leads to expectation (see again her comment about the previous ride letting them on, despite the fact that they were late). When expectations are not met, hissy fits are thrown. :)

The second part does include an assumption, you're right. I'm busted. For I assumed that people were aware enough of common vocabulary to know that despite the fact that today they are often (incorrectly) used interchangeably, excuse and reason have two very different meanings. By using the word reason specifically, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt of having a valid reason for the prior time she was late - thereby coming full circle, once again making it clear that I am not assuming she is habitually cutting it too close, merely suggesting it as a possibility.

May I now assume that we are done on this topic of assumptions?
 
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