I joined a Yahoo group about the Manson Murders

[JennyMominRI]

I;ve always been a bit obsessed with the Manson Murders and with true crime in general. I joined a yahoo group about the case today I've always been interrested in true crime and this case in particular. It's just so senseless and sad, and was concieved the night of the Tate murders

 

[Holly]

I had to do a case study on Charles Manson while in college. Not a fun assignment.
Charles Manson is a fascinating and extremely disturbing enigma.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I had to do a case study on Charles Manson while in college. Not a fun assignment.
Charles Manson is a fascinating and extremely disturbing enigma.

Honestly,while I've studied the case,I haven't spent much time studying him or the Mandon Family.. I've studied the victims..I think it's far more important to remember names like Jay Sebring and Abigail Folger than Charles Manson... It's a shame that while just about everyone has seen or heard of Charles Manson,how many people can remember any of the victims beyond Sharon.. It's the same with most cases..The victims get forgotten while the killers become famous.
There is one picture of CM and on of susan atkins where they look like pure evil

 

[Robinrs]

I read Helter Skelter the year it came out and still remember the killings when they happened...yes, I'm THAT OLD...

I followed the case like it was a class in school. I have always had an interest in true crime, too, and still do. I just ordered the true crime book on the Canada murders of Karla and Paul Bernardo.

I agree that the victims do no receive the notoriety of the killers and it's a shame. I don't try to understand the minds of the killers but what leads up to the crimes and kinds of lives they led prior to the crimes. I studied Hitler, Manson and Napoleon... all men who had an inate hatred for themselves and had to have power to make up for their "shortcomings".

It's an amazing study.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I followed the case like it was a class in school. I have always had an interest in true crime, too, and still do. I just ordered the true crime book on the Canada murders of Karla and Paul Bernardo.
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I can't believe they released her... Have you studies Mary Bell?

 

[N.Bailey]

I'm like you Jenny, I am a true crime junkie. I've read countless sites involving these murders. I always think about Linda Kasabian stating that Wojciech Frykowski got outside and he was just soaked in blood and stumbling around and he looked over at her as if he knew he was dead. Can you imagine the terror he and the others felt? I get upset when I think that Susan Atkins actually had an (sexual release) while stabbing Sharon Tate. Then I think about one of the victims (I can't remember which) screaming out that they were already dead hoping they'd stop stabbing them.

Then, we get to hear that each of them comes up for parole. As if they deserve their freedom. Too bad when a state declares the death penalty unconstitutional, then reinstates it at a later time that the sentences can't be reinstated too. Sharon Tate's mother went to ever parole hearing till the time of her death. So, she got to be victimized all over again each time one was up for parole. It's sad that at the time of their sentencing there was no such thing as life without the possibility of parole even. So, they all got life sentences with the possibility of parole.

Susan Atkins ended up marrying a man who told her he was rich. She found out he had nothing and hurried and divorced him. She's married again though, only this time she married an attorney who works nonstop on trying to get her paroled.

It's just sickening!

Oh, and I hear Manson gets panicky when he thinks someone's out to harm him. Too bad someone hasn't taken the prize by taking him out. I heard inmates talking saying what a trophy Scott Peterson would be for them, I can't believe Manson hasn't become someone's trophy.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I'm like you Jenny, I am a true crime junkie. I've read countless sites involving these murders. I always think about Linda Kasabian stating that Wojciech Frykowski got outside and he was just soaked in blood and stumbling around and he looked over at her as if he knew he was dead. Can you imagine the terror he and the others felt? I get upset when I think that Susan Atkins actually had an (sexual release) while stabbing Sharon Tate. Then I think about one of the victims (I can't remember which) screaming out that they were already dead hoping they'd stop stabbing them.

That was Abigail

 

[MorganLeFey]

I read Helter Skelter years ago. scary stuff.

 

[robertsmom]

I;ve always been a bit obsessed with the Manson Murders and with true crime in general. I joined a yahoo group about the case today I've always been interrested in true crime and this case in particular. It's just so senseless and sad, and was concieved the night of the Tate murders

I have always been fascinated by true crime. The Manson murders, Lizzie Borden, Jack the Ripper, the Black Dahlia, etc. I love reading about this kind of stuff. (Some people worry about me.)

 

[N.Bailey]

That was Abigail

I was young really young at the time, so I have no first hand accounts of anything. All I've learned has been via the net really. I do go to Court TV's website and there is a woman over there who knew the La Biancas personally. She used to shop in their store all the time.

She also had some first hand accounts of Jay Sebring though she didn't know him personally, she'd seen him on several occasions.

There isn't really a board for the Manson murders over there, but now and again a thread is started and it's amazing how many people are still interested in this case.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I was young really young at the time, so I have no first hand accounts of anything. All I've learned has been via the net really. I do go to Court TV's website and there is a woman over there who knew the La Biancas personally. She used to shop in their store all the time.

She also had some first hand accounts of Jay Sebring though she didn't know him personally, she'd seen him on several occasions.

There isn't really a board for the Manson murders over there, but now and again a thread is started and it's amazing how many people are still interested in this case.

I wasn't even alive when it happened.. I drove down Cielo Drve once..The house has been torn down and rebuilt ,but the original gate and the Poll that Tex climed over to get in is still there.. I also drove right past Rockingham and Bundy...It took literally 60 second or so to get from Bundy to Rocking ham,but of course OJ couldn't manage it in 30 minutes

 

[lisajl]

True crime junkie here, too. Unfortunately, some of the books, I just can't finish. Especially when children are involved.
It is just too disturbing that another human being could do harm to a child.

 

[N.Bailey]

I wasn't even alive when it happened.. I drove down Cielo Drve once..The house has been torn down and rebuilt ,but the original gate and the Poll that Tex climed over to get in is still there.. I also drove right past Rockingham and Bundy...It took literally 60 second or so to get from Bundy to Rocking ham,but of course OJ couldn't manage it in 30 minutes

That's the standing joke over at Court TV. You can't get away with murder on a million dollars (Peterson) you need 5 million (OJ).

 

[JennyMominRI]

True crime junkie here, too. Unfortunately, some of the books, I just can't finish. Especially when children are involved.
It is just too disturbing that another human being could do harm to a child.

That's perhaps the saddest thing about the Manson Murders. Sharons unborn child that was 2 weeks from being born. She even begged them to let her live for 2 weeks to give birth before they killed her,and even for them to cut him out of her before they killed her.

 

[wide awake]

I remember seeing Charles Manson on Tom Snyder's late show years ago...I'd read "Helter Skelter" but never realized how charismatic Manson was...I can see how his little band of losers did whatever he said. I'm a true crime junkie too, but the Manson murders have never been much of an interest...too much 60s drug culture. I loved the Thomas Thompson books, "Blood and Money" and "Serpentine", the Anne Rule ones about Ted Bundy, "Stranger Beside Me" and Diane Downs...the Jean Harris books...who I think was innocent and deserved clemency long before she got it. That is a woman I admire. I liked "The Burning Bed" too...even though I didn't understand the woman...she was married to a total loser, and she was worried he'd find her wherever she went ? I know, it is the abused woman thing, but I've never been in that situation, never felt I couldn't outsmart someone. The Claus Von Bulow books were good too, I think he was (and is) guilty.

 

[PrincessPatty]

I think I would also really enjoy reading some of these books. Would someone give me a few titles to get me started?

 

[Holly]

Honestly,while I've studied the case,I haven't spent much time studying him or the Mandon Family.. I've studied the victims..I think it's far more important to remember names like Jay Sebring and Abigail Folger than Charles Manson... It's a shame that while just about everyone has seen or heard of Charles Manson,how many people can remember any of the victims beyond Sharon.. It's the same with most cases..The victims get forgotten while the killers become famous.
There is one picture of CM and on of susan atkins where they look like pure evil

I completely agree. It's disgusting to think that Charles Manson is a celebrity and actually gets fanmail and love letters.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I think I would also really enjoy reading some of these books. Would someone give me a few titles to get me started?

Books on true crime in general or on the Manson Murders...
Here is a great site on true crime,with a good article on the case,and no gory crime scene photos
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/manson/murder_1.html

 

[N.Bailey]

I remember seeing Charles Manson on Tom Snyder's late show years ago...I'd read "Helter Skelter" but never realized how charismatic Manson was...I can see how his little band of losers did whatever he said. I'm a true crime junkie too, but the Manson murders have never been much of an interest...too much 60s drug culture. I loved the Thomas Thompson books, "Blood and Money" and "Serpentine", the Anne Rule ones about Ted Bundy, "Stranger Beside Me" and Diane Downs...the Jean Harris books...who I think was innocent and deserved clemency long before she got it. That is a woman I admire. I liked "The Burning Bed" too...even though I didn't understand the woman...she was married to a total loser, and she was worried he'd find her wherever she went ? I know, it is the abused woman thing, but I've never been in that situation, never felt I couldn't outsmart someone. The Claus Von Bulow books were good too, I think he was (and is) guilty.

I disagree with you. I see nothing charismatic about Manson and have never understood why so many were drawn to him.

I also don't believe Helter Skelter was real (though the murders definitely were). I don't believe for a minute that Manson was out to start a race war at all. I also don't believe he knew that Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski lived in that house. I think he sent the family there to murder the former residents of the property.

There was another man that they'd went to murder too. I'd have to do some digging to get the guy's name. One of the female members of the family pretended that she couldn't remember which apartment he lived in the night they were suppose to kill him.

I do agree with you regarding Ann Rule though.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I disagree with you. I see nothing charismatic about Manson and have never understood why so many were drawn to him.

I also don't believe Helter Skelter was real (though the murders definitely were). I don't believe for a minute that Manson was out to start a race war at all. I also don't believe he knew that Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski lived in that house. I think he sent the family there to murder the former residents of the property.

There was another man that they'd went to murder too. I'd have to do some digging to get the guy's name. One of the female members of the family pretended that she couldn't remember which apartment he lived in the night they were suppose to kill him.

I do agree with you regarding Ann Rule though.

Terry Melcher? And I sort of agree with you on Helter Skelter..I *think* he may have touted this idea to his followers as a way to get them worked up, but I think their murders were motivated by his anger at Melcher(Doris Days son) who refused to get him into the music industry