I have changed my vote!

What is it with the detective work looking into other threads then cross posting, and searching for old posts? It's so Orwellian.

Orwellian??? As in the adjective that "describes the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free-society. It connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson" — a person whose past existence is expunged from the public record and memory, practiced by modern repressive governments."*

I think you might have that a little backwards. If I was claiming that the post never existed or twisting what was originally posted, then maybe you would have a point.

But researching something to get all the facts, looking into the details of an accusation and providing quotes that have been previously documented - now that is something that I am into.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian
 
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Stalking is creepy. I agree. But when I read something "interesting" I like to share that information.

On the other hand, how many times has the conservative thread posted about something they read in another thread and suggested that their cohorts go over and gang post?

Suggesting that someone go over to another thread and post THEIR OWN WORDS is completely different than copying and pasting someone else's post under your own name from one thread to another. The first is perfectly appropriate; the second is incredibly inappropriate and intended only to bring about personal attacks.
 

Orwellian??? As in the adjective that "describes the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free-society. It connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson" — a person whose past existence is expunged from the public record and memory, practiced by modern repressive governments."*

I think you might have that a little backwards. If I was claiming that the post never existed or twisting what was originally posted, then maybe you would have a point.

But researching something to get all the facts, looking into the details of an accusation and providing quotes that have been previously documented - now that is something that I am into.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian

I'm sorry but wikipedia, as so many of your fellow BO supporters have informed other posters, is not a reliable source of information.

However, since you want to go there,read further:
Meanings:
* The political manipulation of language, by obfuscation, e.g. WAR IS PEACE.
Using language to obfuscate meaning or to reduce and eliminate ideas and their meanings that are deemed dangerous to its authority.

* Invasion of personal privacy, either directly physically or indirectly by surveillance.
* State control of its citizens' daily life, as in a "Big Brother" society.
* Official encouragement of policies contributing to the socio-economic disintegration of the family.
* The substitution of traditional religion with the adoration of state leaders and their Party.
* The encouragement of "doublethink," whereby the population must learn to embrace inconsistent concepts without dissent, e.g. giving up liberty for freedom. Similar terms used, are "doublespeak", and "newspeak".
* The revision of history in the favour of the State's interpretation of it.
* A dystopian future.
 
But I did not post that on this thread, you did. Therefore, the posting isn't speaking for itself, you are speaking for me. You took my posting from another thread — a thread aimed at politically like-minded people — and posted it here. I suppose you're free to do that — I really don't know about the rules — but it's creepy, stalkerish, and designed to promote personal attacks, and it is NOT something McCain supporters have ever done to an Obama supporter on these boards, but Obama supporters have done it before, even creating an entire attack thread directed at me that had to be taken down by the moderators. It's bad form. It's bad game behavior. I'm glad I'm on the other team.

You have got to be kidding!!!!:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:
 
Oooh, clever Obama campaign psy ops directly from his web site. You're a good Obama soldier, but a very unconvincing "vote changer." Nice try. I'm all atwitter with the fear that you've "changed your mind" and are now an Obama supporter. Oh no! Could this be a trend? Should I change my vote, too? It must be happening all over, right? And, and, it's the Palin choice! Yeah, lots of people were going to vote for him until Palin came along, but she ruined it. Ohhhhh noooooo.

Please. No one's fallin' for these Obama campaign head games. When we McCain supporters see this stuff, our first thought is, "Wow, the Obama internal polls must be disastrous! These people are astroturfing their heads off."

I've spent most of the last couple of hours typing this, trying to word it just right while watching Ghost Hunters. The thread was on page 2 and I have no idea where it's at now.

Trust me, when all is said and done, history will record that one factor that weighed against McCain in the minds of moderates and independents is the choice of Palin as his VP. The OP is far from the only person to change their preference.

All through the primaries and most of the post-primary months I've been very torn and not an Obama supporter. During the primaries I followed the candidates on both sides.

Among the Democrats I thought Richardson had the most wide-ranging resume and Biden a huge amount of experience. I opposed Hillary Clinton mainly because the country needs to escape the whole Bush/Clinton cycle we've been stuck in, and Obama may be rich in charisma but appears light in experience.

Among the Republicans, I gravitated toward Romney. He has executive experience in the public and private sectors and his success in business shows he knows how business works. McCain seemed like the elder stateman whose moment for the nomination had passed but still gained respect as a man of honor and duty to country.

When it came down to Obama and McCain, I fully expected to support McCain. When it came down to it, I believed that the US would be better served by someone with McCain's experience and that Obama was still too inexperienced to be president. Still, I wanted to see who their VP picks would be.

Despite the criticisms and ads arguing Obama's inexperience, McCain ended up chosing Sarah Palin. She had less experience in high office than Obama, was a very obscure choice that bypassed many other more qualified possibilities. At first, my thought was that McCain was either crazy like a fox or just plain crazy and I hadn't decided which it was. Now, it seems more like McCain chose her because of the flash and novelty of choosing a female and because he was pressured to appeal to the far right wing of the party.

I like DC outsiders coming in as president or vice president and shaking things up. While she was first billed as a reformer, too much has come out to make me doubt those claims. The per diem reimbursements when she was working out of her home in Wasilla may have been legal but had a strong stink of taking advantage of the system she supposedly sought to reform. Questions abound about the firing of her brother-in-law and of the public safety commissioner for refusing to fire him. The deal with a bounty on wolves showed a willingness to assume authority she does not have. She may or may not have attempted censorship at the city library, but charging rape victims for rape kits vital to criminal investigations is appalling. The final clincher for me would be her continuing verbal dancing when answering questions (or avoidance of answering questions), from the VP debate to a simple yes or no whether someone who bombs an abortion clinic would be a terrorist. Her convoluted answer sounded like a "no" to me. So she would not consider Atlanta Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph a terrorist? That he is seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Like it or not, the candidates are a package deal. You get one with the other, there is no separating them. The VP choice is important because that shows who the potential president believes is qualified to take over for them should the need arise. Considering his age and health history, it's a very important selection for McCain.

This is not a decision I came to lightly. I admire and respect Senator McCain, and I believe the US would be well served with him as president. However, I do not feel comfortable about Governor Palin as being that close to the presidency. I would gladly vote for John McCain for president with any other running mate, but I can not vote for McCain/Palin. Despite my misgivings and my concerns, I will vote for Obama/Biden.
 
I'm sorry but wikipedia, as so many of your fellow BO supporters have informed other posters, is not a reliable source of information.

However, since you want to go there,read further:
Meanings:
* The political manipulation of language, by obfuscation, e.g. WAR IS PEACE.
Using language to obfuscate meaning or to reduce and eliminate ideas and their meanings that are deemed dangerous to its authority.

* Invasion of personal privacy, either directly physically or indirectly by surveillance.
* State control of its citizens' daily life, as in a "Big Brother" society.
* Official encouragement of policies contributing to the socio-economic disintegration of the family.
* The substitution of traditional religion with the adoration of state leaders and their Party.
* The encouragement of "doublethink," whereby the population must learn to embrace inconsistent concepts without dissent, e.g. giving up liberty for freedom. Similar terms used, are "doublespeak", and "newspeak".
* The revision of history in the favour of the State's interpretation of it.
* A dystopian future.

I take it you highlighted the text in reference to the Patriot Act?
 
But I did not post that on this thread, you did. Therefore, the posting isn't speaking for itself, you are speaking for me. You took my posting from another thread — a thread aimed at politically like-minded people — and posted it here. I suppose you're free to do that — I really don't know about the rules — but it's creepy, stalkerish, and designed to promote personal attacks, and it is NOT something McCain supporters have ever done to an Obama supporter on these boards, but Obama supporters have done it before, even creating an entire attack thread directed at me that had to be taken down by the moderators. It's bad form. It's bad game behavior. I'm glad I'm on the other team.

An entire thread aimed at you..no, it was to clear up the horrible misconceptions that were being spread to attack Obama supporters here on the Dis.

I'm sorry but wikipedia, as so many of your fellow BO supporters have informed other posters, is not a reliable source of information.


* Invasion of personal privacy, either directly physically or indirectly by surveillance.
The conservative thread is neither personal nor private. There is no special log in needed to enter. Islandlauri did not invade anyone's privacy. It is just another thread that anyone registered on the Dis can enter. Sorry to burst the bubble!:goodvibes
 
I've spent most of the last couple of hours typing this, trying to word it just right while watching Ghost Hunters.

And now you can't get that 2 hours back!

McCain was DOA. Palin is the only thing which actually made this a race. Period.
 
OH, I am so sorry... it was my hypnotic koolaid joke. You're all right.. there is a hidden mickey and it is irritating now!

I might be from the McCain/Palin side, but I only wanted a small dose of the Obama hynosis on here... not the ENTIRE force!
 
An entire thread aimed at you..no, it was to clear up the horrible misconceptions that were being spread to attack Obama supporters here on the Dis.


The conservative thread is neither personal nor private. There is no special log in needed to enter. Islandlauri did not invade anyone's privacy. It is just another thread that anyone registered on the Dis can enter. Sorry to burst the bubble!:goodvibes

It was wrong.
 
I take it you highlighted the text in reference to the Patriot Act?

Read posts 40,41,and 42.
Sometimes it's good to read a thread before posting, otherwise your (general your) posts look very silly.:)
 
I was leaning towards Senator McCain. I liked his history and values.

Initially, I was excited by his selection of Sarah Palin (indeed, after her selection I posted a note about my voting for McCain). However, after more information about her, I grew cautious. Then, I grew alarmed.

Furthermore, after viewing the “threads’ on this board for the last month, I can make this statement: the supporters of Senator John McCain are peeing in their pants about the possible election of Senator Obama. There are LOTS more ‘anti Obama’ threads being started every day, as opposed to “support McCain”. Hence, many are ‘afraid’ of Senator Obama being elected, but they can’t seem to come up with “Support McCain” threads.

I belong to the school of thought: “If the Vocal masses are against something, then it must be worth something”.

To repeat: if so many DIS contributors believe that Senator Obama will be disastrous to this country, based on mostly ‘hearsay’ evidence or such, then he is probably alright.

I listen to Rush Limbaugh everyday, for at least a few minutes. Today, for example, he went on and on about the ‘aunt’ of Senator Obama’s living in a “slum”. He has done this for the past few days. He also keeps referring to Senator Obama’s having a ‘relative’ living in a hut in Kenya.

I don’t care. To Rush: I may well have relatives living in ‘slums’, but that does not change my political thought. I also feel it unkind for you to summarily refer to said Aunt’s neighborhood as a ‘slum’. Maybe she does not feel that way. Some people live where they feel comfortable. Some people do not want ‘hand-outs’ from rich relatives. I know. I have been there. I have lived in ‘poor’ neighborhoods.

As for Kenya? Who cares? Do you expect Senator Obama to “move” his relative to some place in the capitol city? Against his will? Kenya, Rush, is not a ‘rich’ country. Many live in huts. Not all live in Nairobi (the capital).

Many who contribute to this board are obvious listeners of Rush and Sean. You can tell because they tend to contribute to this board soon after Rush is off the air (don’t believe me? Watch this board around noontime).

In summary: I have been persuaded by not only the words of Senator Obama, but the outcries of the Conservative group on this DIS board: Senator Obama may not be my ideal candidate, but after reading all the posts by the “McCain” supporters, I will go with the “Socialist, Communist, Do-Gooder”, etc.

Are you trying to channel Moss Man??:lmao: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

Take a look at my past posting. Cllick on Legalsea, then search for 'past postings'. I can only state what I did. I thought Senator McCains' selection of Governor Palin was wise. Now, I have 'changed my mind'.

Interesting thing about "thinking" people: they will vote after all the evidence is in. They do not slavisly vote for 'their party', despite what Limbaugh or other radio heads say.

Well since we all know that search doesn't work worth a crap, it would be easy for you to prove to everyone that you have made positive posts about McCain and Palin. Just go to your subscribed threads and link them here.
 
I've spent most of the last couple of hours typing this, trying to word it just right while watching Ghost Hunters. The thread was on page 2 and I have no idea where it's at now.

Trust me, when all is said and done, history will record that one factor that weighed against McCain in the minds of moderates and independents is the choice of Palin as his VP. The OP is far from the only person to change their preference.

All through the primaries and most of the post-primary months I've been very torn and not an Obama supporter. During the primaries I followed the candidates on both sides.

Among the Democrats I thought Richardson had the most wide-ranging resume and Biden a huge amount of experience. I opposed Hillary Clinton mainly because the country needs to escape the whole Bush/Clinton cycle we've been stuck in, and Obama may be rich in charisma but appears light in experience.

Among the Republicans, I gravitated toward Romney. He has executive experience in the public and private sectors and his success in business shows he knows how business works. McCain seemed like the elder stateman whose moment for the nomination had passed but still gained respect as a man of honor and duty to country.

When it came down to Obama and McCain, I fully expected to support McCain. When it came down to it, I believed that the US would be better served by someone with McCain's experience and that Obama was still too inexperienced to be president. Still, I wanted to see who their VP picks would be.

Despite the criticisms and ads arguing Obama's inexperience, McCain ended up chosing Sarah Palin. She had less experience in high office than Obama, was a very obscure choice that bypassed many other more qualified possibilities. At first, my thought was that McCain was either crazy like a fox or just plain crazy and I hadn't decided which it was. Now, it seems more like McCain chose her because of the flash and novelty of choosing a female and because he was pressured to appeal to the far right wing of the party.

I like DC outsiders coming in as president or vice president and shaking things up. While she was first billed as a reformer, too much has come out to make me doubt those claims. The per diem reimbursements when she was working out of her home in Wasilla may have been legal but had a strong stink of taking advantage of the system she supposedly sought to reform. Questions abound about the firing of her brother-in-law and of the public safety commissioner for refusing to fire him. The deal with a bounty on wolves showed a willingness to assume authority she does not have. She may or may not have attempted censorship at the city library, but charging rape victims for rape kits vital to criminal investigations is appalling. The final clincher for me would be her continuing verbal dancing when answering questions (or avoidance of answering questions), from the VP debate to a simple yes or no whether someone who bombs an abortion clinic would be a terrorist. Her convoluted answer sounded like a "no" to me. So she would not consider Atlanta Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph a terrorist? That he is seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Like it or not, the candidates are a package deal. You get one with the other, there is no separating them. The VP choice is important because that shows who the potential president believes is qualified to take over for them should the need arise. Considering his age and health history, it's a very important selection for McCain.

This is not a decision I came to lightly. I admire and respect Senator McCain, and I believe the US would be well served with him as president. However, I do not feel comfortable about Governor Palin as being that close to the presidency. I would gladly vote for John McCain for president with any other running mate, but I can not vote for McCain/Palin. Despite my misgivings and my concerns, I will vote for Obama/Biden.

I'm impressed at the thought you've put into your choice. I tip my hat to you. :thumbsup2
 
Suggesting that someone go over to another thread and post THEIR OWN WORDS is completely different than copying and pasting someone else's post under your own name from one thread to another. The first is perfectly appropriate; the second is incredibly inappropriate and intended only to bring about personal attacks.

Unless you are referring to a personal attack on the reposter, please expain why would a repost of the original post bring about a personal attack against the original poster if there was nothing in the original post to attack?

The way it appears to me (and perhaps some others), the OP posted her opinion on about how she had a change of mind about her vote and you responded with what appears to be a personal attack against her for having a change of mind and then in the conversative thread post it appears that you were personally attacking all Obama Supporters as having been "given marching orders" to "spread lies".

And yet almost anytime someone reposts one of your posts, you complain that they are personally attacking you. I really don't get it. If you want to repost what I post in a public forum - go right ahead. I don't take it as a personal attack. Maybe it is just me, but I do not post anything in a public forum that I am afraid of having reposted.
 


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