PrincessTiffany
Is there anything better than Free Dining and Fast
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We have 4 kids, so we will always be a party of 6 or more.I think the 18% is only added on parties of 6 or more.
We have 4 kids, so we will always be a party of 6 or more.I think the 18% is only added on parties of 6 or more.
Did you look into the new deluxe dining plan? Yes it's more money, but completely worth it! For only 69.99 a day (19.99 for kids) you get 3 TS meals, 2 snacks and a refillable mug. Okay, the mug is not a huge deal, but the rest of the plan is great! Plus, you can use 2 of your meals a day for a signature.So, you could do breakfast at Cystal Palace and dinner at Yachtsman Steakhouse, plus you have 2 snacks for lunch that day. No way that costs less than 69.99 a person! Trust me, we have paid OOP to eat this way at Disney and 69.99 is a DEAL.
I have a question, and maybe a stupid one,,,but never the less.....
I am staying 14 nights, family of 4, Can we do the DP for 7 nights? Or do you have to do the DP for the entire stay, no right? UM never thought of that option.
Actually, that would only make sense if the Dining Plan had only provided 1TS per day, instead of 1TS, 1CS (no tipping) and 1 snack (no tipping). It is important to recognize that this change is almost surely intended to be a net price increase (which makes sense given how much so many guests have noted over the last three years how much of a good deal the Dining Plan has been), but if it was not then a "fair" price decrease to account for the removal of the gratuity (alone -- ignoring the removal of the appetizer) would be $4.32. Regardless, as I mentioned, this change is almost surely intended to be a net price increase.18% of the cost $38 would be fair !!![]()
Never going to happen ........
The increase on the 2008 DDP is approximately 50% (with the elimination of the appetizer and tip). I don't understand why more people aren't upset with this increase. I know we won't be using the DDP for our 2008 trips and will eat some of our meals off site.
The pressure needs to go back to Disney in the form of no tipping. Believe me the help is already expecting it and I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way. Disney does not want unhappy guests or unhappy servers, so why not force their hand. Thoughts?![]()
The pressure needs to go back to Disney in the form of no tipping. Believe me the help is already expecting it and I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way. Disney does not want unhappy guests or unhappy servers, so why not force their hand. Thoughts?
What we are getting here is the classic take away syndrome, no one likes takeaways. However, they are a fact of life especially if the equation has been out of balance or something external changes to requires an adjustment. The emotion of getting less than you're used to will absolutely push some people away from the plan and away from Disney restaurants. However, many will still choose to the plan and or onsite restaurants.
On the 2008 if I eat dinner at Chef Mickey's it will cost me $5.40 more than in 2007 to cover an 18% tip and $2 price increase. THE EXACT SAME MEAL FOR $5 MORE ON THE 2008 PLAN!
If I went to LeCellier and ordered: Duck Two Ways, Mushroom Filet and Canadian Whiskey Cake it would cost $59.73 out of pocket. If I was on the 2007 DDP this is a steal, as my total cost for a TS, CS and daily snack is only $38.99 and I would get this meal without paying more. [Can you say out of balance?] On the 2008 plan it would cost $20.63 extra for tip and the appetizer. Let's say $26 of my daily DDP fee is set aside for dinner costs, so I am getting the LeCellier meal for about $47, still considerably less than if I paid OOP. If ordered as per the 2008 base plan, no appetizer, the cost for tip is $6.48, hopefully the server is worth it.
Certainly if you add this up for 3-5 family members on a 7-14 day trip it gets costly and even prohibitive. We each have to do what's best for our family. Takeaways always sting, but usually are needed to put things in balance or compete.
Here's hoping that everyone finds a dining solution that works for your family.
I'm tired and have had a rough day, so maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but my first thought in reading your post is that Disney must not be as smart as we all think to "give" us something that out of balance - something so out of balance that 3 years (I think) later they have to takeaway. Remember when the free dining plan was first offered. There were tons of debates on here about whether it was a good deal or not since we were paying rack rate for the rooms. And now, I it seems like I'm reading several opinions that even people paying for the DDP were given too good of a deal, so disney had to do something about it - and none of us should be upset because they "gave us too much in the first place." Hope these thoughts weren't too rambling!
Right on-target. I think the mistake some people are making is translating their disappointment into an impression that mistakes are being made. Take-aways aren't necessarily mistakes. They often directly address an existing imbalance between price and value.What we are getting here is the classic take away syndrome, no one likes takeaways. However, they are a fact of life especially if the equation has been out of balance or something external changes to requires an adjustment. The emotion of getting less than you're used to will absolutely push some people away from the plan and away from Disney restaurants. However, many will still choose to the plan and or onsite restaurants.
And computations like this belie the earlier suggestion of the changes to the Dining Plan representing "a 50% increase".On the 2008 if I eat dinner at Chef Mickey's it will cost me $5.40 more than in 2007 to cover an 18% tip and $2 price increase. THE EXACT SAME MEAL FOR $5 MORE ON THE 2008 PLAN!
Indeed.If I went to LeCellier and ordered: Duck Two Ways, Mushroom Filet and Canadian Whiskey Cake it would cost $59.73 out of pocket. If I was on the 2007 DDP this is a steal, as my total cost for a TS, CS and daily snack is only $38.99 and I would get this meal without paying more. [Can you say out of balance?]
And just completing the math: Just that one meal -- which is a meal for which these number are the worst (because it is a relatively expensive restaurant, and we're including the cost of additional appetizers and gratuity out-of-pocket) the percentage increase is 37.1%.On the 2008 plan it would cost $20.63 extra for tip and the appetizer. Let's say $26 of my daily DDP fee is set aside for dinner costs, so I am getting the LeCellier meal for about $47, still considerably less than if I paid OOP.If ordered as per the 2008 base plan, no appetizer, the cost for tip is $6.48, hopefully the server is worth it.
Agreed!Takeaways always sting, but usually are needed to put things in balance or compete.
Here's hoping that everyone finds a dining solution that works for your family.
Please don't take this the wrong way, because I do think the DXDDP is a good deal, but once you add in the tip, it's more than 69.99/19.99 per day. I'm going to use your example of Yachtsman Steakhouse for dinner and Crystal Palace for breakfast, and assume that you have 3 kids are all under 10. If you're conservative with tips, and leave 15% at YS/10% at CP, you have to add approximately $36 a day to the total cost for your family. If you're more generous with tips (18% YS/15% CP), add another $45 per day. And if you're really generous (20% YS/18% CP), it's an extra $53 per day.
Is it a make or break deal? Probably not for most people. But it's not an insignificant amount--my most generous estimate is more than 25% additional cost on top of the price of the plan. You have to take that into account when you're figuring the value of the plan.