I feel mean, is it just me?

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It is always amazing to me how people don't think past their own circumstances. I don't really think they are TRYING to be selfish... it's just the way the world is. And, you are right.. the newbie thing is ridiculous! This is my first time planning our dinner ressies (first time, brother in law planned entire trip) and we are going deluxe,
so sometimes 2 TS a day. I just look at a dinner reservation as another "attraction" in that particular park or
resort. It is fun to look forward to the experience. And, unless you absolutely hate at certain food type... food
is food and plan accordingly. We should be rejoicing there are sooooo many options... and not be greedy!
 
I like to make the second booking, before canceling the first, to make sure that I get one.

Absolutely! And that's why one of the options is to cancel the original one and replace it with the new one....they make it so easy to change your reservation! But people like to take advantage of the "keep all reservations" choice.:confused:
 
Absolutely! And that's why one of the options is to cancel the original one and replace it with the new one....they make it so easy to change your reservation! But people like to take advantage of the "keep all reservations" choice.:confused:

Oh yes. I was just explaining why I knew about all the double booking warnings (lest someone think that I make it a habit of double booking).
 
I agree... mean or not.
The "how do I know what I'm going to want to eat in 6 months" line drives me bonkers! I don't know what I'm going to want to eat either but, I'm going to book a place where I know I will find something to eat. I've never had my trip ruined because I was booked for Sci-Fi but, really wanted tacos.
So, I'd say "go for it" if they wanted to crack down on double booking.

I agree with you. It's my first trip with dining and I don't really know what I want to eat in 6 months either but I picked places that I knew I would like so my tummy will be happy regardless.
 

Most people have never experienced a vacation where you have to book so many reservations so far out and many have no idea what they want to eat or where they will be.It can be overhelming! I think it is a lot of newbie's that overbook because they are unfamiliar with Disney and the restaurants. The free dining makes it worse. I remember when it wasn't difficult to get a walk up reservation. Newbies should try to book one reservation for each meal and cancel a double book asap on a reservation they are unsure of. If not the Disney police may do it for them.:surfweb::surfweb::surfweb:


I think it is just the opposite. Most newbies will not know how hard it is to get ADRs until it is too late. I'd bet it is the "seasoned veterans" that know the ins and outs of Disney dining that are more likely to do it.
 
It drives me nuts too. A few days ago someone posted five different breakfast ADR's at four popular places for the same day. That is crazy. I can't believe that someone would actually have that many reservations for the same time. I really wish that you would have to put a credit card down for every reservation or something to stop this.

I saw that too. I believe it was in the August cancellation thread. It took all the restraint I could muster not to post something extremely nasty in response.
 
Nope, I completely agree with you 100%.
This is just another negative side effect of free dining. Others being lousy food, and overcrowded restaurants.

Funny, on a bad day I would peg it as being a side effect of being selfish. What our mommies and grade school teachers used to call a "me-firster". On a good day when I feel charitable, I like to think people just don't realize they might be denying somebody else's little kid a really special dining experience.
 
Thank you Mistysue for posting this and no, I don't think you're mean. I have felt this way for years. I've been going to Disney since it opened and long for the days when you made reservations In the park the day you are there. Sure we always didn't get what we wanted but at least everyone that made a reservation showed up! I have been to Disney 13 times now and have yet to get into Chef Mickey's. I even stayed at CR hoping it would make a difference. When I arrived there I mentioned that I was staying at CR and could wait in line in case someone didn't show. They wouldn't do that either. Once at Ohana we were told that after 6pm, they would start taking people without ressies when they realized there was a no show. However, this could end up being a long wait for nothing. I'm trying to plan dining for a Dec trip and all of the major places are already taken. And how many of those are 'just in case' ressies??? I'm being blocked out for people who may not even be in that park that day. I don't think it has anything to do with free dining either. This is just something that's become the norm with that majority of people that knows about ADR. The worst part is that they're forcing all of us to become the same way. Unfortunetly I still haven't made one ressie yet because none of my first choices are available. I guess that's just my luck..
 
On a good day when I feel charitable, I like to think people just don't realize they might be denying somebody else's little kid a really special dining experience.

I wish that were the case, but the part that boggles my mind is that if it's so important to someone to have great reservations in order for their family trip to be "magical"... how does one not make the baby step to realizing that other people are trying to do the same for their kids?

Bottom line.. I don't think they care.
However, I am encouraged by how many people in this thread alone refuse to stoop to that level.:)
 
While cathartic, I'm not sure how much benefit complaining about double booking does. Doing so ignores the benefits that the Disney dining system derives. For your consideration:

1) The dinner in Germany and dessert in France crowd. By making close double bookings, people can enjoy the signature fare from the many different restaurants throughout the parks. Perhaps they want to try the OGTC at LTT, but they aren't interested in the meal. So, they go to Tony's for lunch at noon and LTT at 1. A double booking, yes, but neither "meal" will be as long as it could have been. Someone demanding that individuals not do this so that they can have an ADR at LTT bespeaks the demanders selfishness. Indeed, the short meal may even lead to an opening for someone to obtain a walkup slot.

2) If Disney offered a 24 hour courtesy overlap, you might find fewer DBs as people would have the opportunity to discuss plans with spouses. There are a lot of folks here who have spouses that are happy with whatever the planner decides, but there are plenty of folks where both partners take an interest in activities, but can't be together all day, every day. Instead, the system is designed such that there is no reason not to double, triple, quadruple, quintuple book if you are not sure what the two of you will agree on. Since the ADR doesn't expire, the incentive to bring the matter to immediate attention does not exist. Coupled with spotty menu coverage for the non a la carte restaurants, the decision can take even longer.

3) By opening the ADR period before the free package cancellation period ends, individuals are placed in a situation where the prudent course of action is to make ADRs before finalizing the itinerary. Since some ADRs are more difficult to obtain than others, the prudent decision it to make unnecessary reservation in case your dates will overlap. Of course, by reducing the timetable, holder of ticket only options or local residents who frequent resort locations are unnecessarily affected.

4) Double Booking actually alleviates pressure on the Disney dining system. By having missed reservations, gaps are created throughout the dining day that allow the restaurant to catch up to attendee reservations. The, "we're currently running about one hour behind," would be higher if all ADRs were made and filled.

5) Split parties. If Disney had a better reservation management system, perhaps there would be less need to do this, but the only way to potentially bring all ADRs under a single umbrella is to create multibooking situations. The part of 5 adults decides they want to eat at three different places - 2/2/1. Under a DB ban, two of those reservations must be made under another name, and thus not associated with the main group. Without the data, I can't state it as fact, but I would wager that forgotten details is a top five reason for missed reservations. Or is it not fair to others that people wish to split their parties?

6) Why not have a significant precharge to a CC that would be refunded if the reservation is cancelled 24h in advance or if the diner shows up. I would suggest taking the average cost of an entree at the location and charging that per person. Of course, folks on tighter budgets may not be able to afford to make ADRs, but fair is fair - people shouldn't be making reservations they couldn't afford keep. Unfair, you say? Why? If we are going to stop people from making reservations they can't make, why not stop them from making reservations they can't make at the time?

7) Complaining about double booking is akin to complaining about reservations. After all, why should someone be able to book a table 190 days out when I can only book 180 - we are all going to Disney parks, and the resorts are open to everybody. Or why can people make reservations? I'm left with choosing a lesser dining experience because the demands of my position leave me with only 30 days advance warning on when I will have enough time to go to WDW. Tables should be first come first serve for all location all the time. So on and so forth.
 
nbs, In any of those scenarios I can see a need for double booking perhaps. However..nobody is talking about DOUBLE booking. We were discussing the several people who post their 5 ADR for ONE mealtime. Or as I mentioned earlier, the friend of a friend who had 27 TS reservations for a 7 night trip.
That is excessive, selfish, and not a result of a flawed booking system, but an entitled attitude.... IMO of course.
 
I think it is just the opposite. Most newbies will not know how hard it is to get ADRs until it is too late. I'd bet it is the "seasoned veterans" that know the ins and outs of Disney dining that are more likely to do it.

My younger sister is a perfect example of this. She was "gifted" a trip for herself and three kids. She leaves this weekend. Had I not asked her last week if she had the dining plan, and then found out it was the regular plan, not quick service, she would have headed off to Disney without any reservations. Instead, I was able to get her a TS reservation for each day of her trip. She hadn't been since she was a kid and had no concept of the importance of booking reservations (especially since she has 3 young ones who would have trouble waiting two hours to get in for dinner somewhere).
 
While cathartic, I'm not sure how much benefit complaining about double booking does. Doing so ignores the benefits that the Disney dining system derives. For your consideration:

1) The dinner in Germany and dessert in France crowd. By making close double bookings, people can enjoy the signature fare from the many different restaurants throughout the parks. Perhaps they want to try the OGTC at LTT, but they aren't interested in the meal. So, they go to Tony's for lunch at noon and LTT at 1. A double booking, yes, but neither "meal" will be as long as it could have been. Someone demanding that individuals not do this so that they can have an ADR at LTT bespeaks the demanders selfishness. Indeed, the short meal may even lead to an opening for someone to obtain a walkup slot.


5) Split parties. If Disney had a better reservation management system, perhaps there would be less need to do this, but the only way to potentially bring all ADRs under a single umbrella is to create multibooking situations. The part of 5 adults decides they want to eat at three different places - 2/2/1. Under a DB ban, two of those reservations must be made under another name, and thus not associated with the main group. Without the data, I can't state it as fact, but I would wager that forgotten details is a top five reason for missed reservations. Or is it not fair to others that people wish to split their parties?


I just don't see a lot of people falling in to these two categories. Certainly not enough to justify the ability to double-book (if these were the only two arguments for it - obviously not the case). I always hear the split party thing come up when people criticize double-booking. I just don't think it happens nearly as much as people like to make you think.
 
I saw that too. I believe it was in the August cancellation thread. It took all the restraint I could muster not to post something extremely nasty in response.

You and me both. I had something typed out and then hit the back button because it was just not worth it. :rotfl2:
 
There are alot of newbies that find out about this board and other resources and get quickly addicted to the reservation /planning Disney vacation thing. Plus many have travel agents or experienced friends helping them. I know several who had multiple reservations because they dont even know what park they are going to be in yet. While I'm sure some veterans are doing it too I think that many of us know what we want and book early. Free dining compounds the booking problem. I feel very sorry for people who go to Disney and have no idea they need to book reservations ahead of time :sad2::sad2::sad2: Think of their poor disappointed kids:(. Lets help them by not making or cancelling double reservations.


People who make 5 reservations for a meal are just crazy and need to get a life!
 
I'm going to be in the minority here (or the absolute bottom percentage), but for me I don't get mad if someone else double books. The five bookings for one breakfast is extreme (and I'd imagine five at one time is a rare case), but I'm not going to get mad because someone else booked 2 restaurants one day because they are still unsure of where they want to eat. That's easier for them. They don't want to go through the hassle of checking the dining reservations everyday every 15 minutes because they changed their mind were trying to be "polite."

I hear many saying that it's selfish of that person to take an ADR that someone else could have - well wouldn't it be selfish of me to be mad at that person because I want the ADR and it would easier for me if there extra restaurant ADR was available (instead of checking the dining system for that elusive Le Cellier because I failed to book at the 180-mark). It's basically easy for me in one scenario or easy for them in another. I don't blame them for taking the easy route on their vacation.

Okay - let the flogging begin...
 
I'm going to be in the minority here (or the absolute bottom percentage), but for me I don't get mad if someone else double books. The five bookings for one breakfast is extreme (and I'd imagine five at one time is a rare case), but I'm not going to get mad because someone else booked 2 restaurants one day because they are still unsure of where they want to eat. That's easier for them. They don't want to go through the hassle of checking the dining reservations everyday every 15 minutes because they changed their mind were trying to be "polite."

I hear many saying that it's selfish of that person to take an ADR that someone else could have - well wouldn't it be selfish of me to be mad at that person because I want the ADR and it would easier for me if there extra restaurant ADR was available (instead of checking the dining system for that elusive Le Cellier because I failed to book at the 180-mark). It's basically easy for me in one scenario or easy for them in another. I don't blame them for taking the easy route on their vacation.

Okay - let the flogging begin...
I'm sorry, but your post doesn't even make sense.

Are you saying it's just as wrong to berate someone for having double bookings for dining reservations as it is to actaully be the person to double books the multiple dining reservations?

Um, I don't think so.
 
I totally agree. It ticks me off when I see posts how excited people are because they booked 2 and 3 dinners for the same night "just in case". Make a plan like everyone else !!! :headache: Honestly, it ruins it for others. It makes it hard to get reservations for the "hard to get places". What makes me more angry is that more times than not, these same people will also post "well, we don't bother cancelling" or "we will cancel that afternoon if we don't think we're going". Well what good does that do someone ?? it's selfish really. They'd be the first to complain that they can't get the ADR they REALLY want too. UGH.
 
Adding my two cents! :thumbsup2

I agree. I don't think people should be allowed to make 2, 3, 4 or 5 (my God what were they thinking) ressies. It's not right.

If people think it's a must because they have to check w/ someone else, then they should cancel them ASAP. Waiting for the day of the ressie to see what they are in the mood for is just wrong! Ugh! To me that just means they are hogging up the chance for someone else to enjoy that place. IMHO.
 
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