I Don't Get it

[maxiesmom]

This post says a whole lot more about the kind of person the OP is...


And even if it were an accidental overdose, the painkillers weren't being taken for recreational purposes, either. He had a painful health issue that he wouldn't get treated to due his religion. Doctors could not guarantee being able to perform the surgery without needing a blood transfusion.

Exactly. And that same religion is why most of us didn't know about all of his charitable donations and actions, until now. What a gifted, generous man the OP has decided to denigrate.

 

[Mkrop]

If everyone's opinion counts, then so does Tozzie's. It's always ironic when people say don't be judgmental all the while judging the OP. It's impossible to be nonjudgmental.

Tozzie's opinion on Prince's is certainly allowed but when she insults others' for a difference of opinion well then that speaks volumes. She doesnt need to understand others' grief but she shouldnt slam it either.

 

[LiveYourLife]

Meanwhile, there is a six page thread offering support and prayers for a DIS board member's nephew (which none of us "know") who was in a horrible car accident and has serious brain injuries, so I can see how you would need to question the posters of the CB's morals, OP. SMH.

 

[Skywalker]

I am not even a huge fan of Prince myself, but I can see that his music and his talent touched many people...to have your music resonate at that level with so many people of so many ages and walks of life takes a very special talent. And by the way, I know a few "first responders" and they are only human too. One drinks a lot, has had multiple affairs and is kind of a jerk. No one is a saint or 100% a hero. Whether someone is a singer or a soldier does not define the value of their existence. Just sayin'.

 

[Colleen27]

Prince wasn't just about being a musician. He encouraged and supported those that think/act/look outside of societies boxes. He challenged typical gender expectations and helped people see that it was ok to be different…

And that, more than the music, is what made him so influential. NPR had a long tribute to him today, but this passage struck me as especially powerful:

As did Bowie, Prince showed us that you could self-fashion — you could live a life not strictly determined by how others defined you, but more often by how you defined yourself. The impact of that message of transformative self-liberation, especially as it became mainstreamed through Prince's enormous success in the '80s, instigated incalculable effects on successive generations of LGBQ and trans folks, freedom seeking libertarians, antiracist dreamers, nudist exhibitionists, anarchist revolutionaries, and multitudes of others around the planet.

I think about my son's friends, some of whom are openly gay or trans and growing up in a very old-fashioned rural community, and I wonder... Would these kids feel so free to be who they are, knowing that they're going to be judged for it by some, if not for the high-profile examples of Prince and Bowie and other artists who have challenged our national perceptions of sex and gender? Would our country have moved in the more accepting direction that it has without these individuals pushing the boundaries over the years? Maybe this level of acceptance for different sexual preferences and gender identities was inevitable, a natural progression in an evolving society. I have no idea. But I do know that the tributes these kids are posting to Prince on social media this week are about much more than his music.

And for those who are mourning Prince, I'll conclude with this... The last paragraph of the NPR piece and a very moving bit of prose that stands out among so many great tributes penned in the last few days.

One way to honor Prince in our grief is to remind ourselves how good and how important is to be, well, a weirdo, to let your freak flag fly, to live life out loud and proud, to shock the bourgeoisie, to cultivate a social conscience, to make ethical art that is connected to a spiritual purpose, to own your work and to own your name in a culture of commodification, to stay rooted to your beginnings and to practice and master your craft. We're here to get through this thing called Life, and through the example of his music, Prince has left us the richest possible blueprint with which to do so.

 

[Snap Crackle Pop]

Does anyone have some first aid cream? I can't handle the burns on this thread.

But back to the topic, no one is allowed to dictate how someone feels when a person passes even if you do not agree with it.

 

[mummabear]

Would you be so blaming towards a military veteran who took a lot of pills after a stressful deployment?

You arent seriously comparing a musician to a VET are you?

 

[MrsDuck]

You arent seriously comparing a musician to a VET are you?

Oh for goodness sake.

Vets are incredibly important, necessary, beloved, and precious. And, other people with OTHER professions are allowed to be, too.

 

[mummabear]

Oh for goodness sake.

Vets are incredibly important, necessary, beloved, and precious. And, other people with OTHER professions are allowed to be, too.

Of course other people are allowed to be important but to suggest that a millianore pop star being addicted to pain killers is close to the same thing as a VET is ridiculous.

And to be frank a pop star isnt actually important at all.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

You arent seriously comparing a musician to a VET are you?

I don't see a problem with it at all. Aren't all lives supposedly equally important or is there a sliding scale out there that I'm not aware of?

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

Of course other people are allowed to be important but to suggest that a millianore pop star being addicted to pain killers is close to the same thing as a VET is ridiculous.

And to be frank a pop star isnt actually important at all.

Well it's within your right to put VETs first by all means but how dare one decide for others whose lives count more.

How silly to turn Prince's death into a pissing contest.

 

[Donny Deliciomismo]

I don't get why people question why others care about someone or something.

Those commenting here chose to make their feelings public (and we don't have to argue over what public means; this is a place where others can reply to your comment), so they have to accept that others may find their comments irrational, fatuous, or worthy of contempt. Or are the commenters here such fragile flowers that they have to have a bubble of safe space around them at all times?

 

[MrsDuck]

Of course other people are allowed to be important but to suggest that a millianore pop star being addicted to pain killers is close to the same thing as a VET is ridiculous.

And to be frank a pop star isnt actually important at all.

Hm, I guess we will agree to disagree.

Any person being addicted to pain killers (plenty of celebs, vets, anyone else) is tragic. Not one is worse, better, less/more deserving, etc.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

Those commenting here chose to make their feelings public (and we don't have to argue over what public means; this is a place where others can reply to your comment), so they have to accept that others may find their comments irrational, fatuous, or worthy of contempt. Or are the commenters here such fragile flowers that they have to have a bubble of safe space around them at all times?

Speaking of fragile flowers… Welcome to the DIS Danny.

 

[mummabear]

What a gifted, generous man the OP has decided to denigrate.

OP hasnt attacked Prince, they have questioned the ongoing grief by many for a person they didnt actually know.

I don't see a problem with it at all. Aren't all lives supposedly equally important or is there a sliding scale out there that I'm not aware of?

Cool, you are entitled to your opinion. I personally see it as being disrepectful to say that a musician being addictted to pain killers is the same thing as an injured vet.

Well it's within your right to put VETs first by all means but how dare one decide for others whose lives count more.

I didnt decide for you did I? If I did I have greater powers than I realised. I simply shared my opinion.

 

[Missy1961]

Of course other people are allowed to be important but to suggest that a millianore pop star being addicted to pain killers is close to the same thing as a VET is ridiculous.

And to be frank a pop star isnt actually important at all.

Well, the reason the pop star was reportedly addicted to pain killers isn't simple. Prince needed a hip replacement, but as a Jehovah's Witness, he couldn't have surgery where there was a chance of needing a blood transfusion. So he was in constant pain, and he possibly OD because of it. This wasn't someone with an addiction to recreational drugs, this was someone who stuck to his religion even when it cost him pain.

Maybe not quite the same as a VET, but pretty darn close.

And pop stars have a place in this world. We need entertainment. For some people, that means musicians like Prince, for others it might be actors like Alan Rickman or comedians like Robin Williams. For others, that might mean going somewhere like WDW. We all have different ways to cope.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

I didnt decide for you did I? If I did I have greater powers than I realised. I simply shared my opinion.

Well you did ask "you aren't seriously comparing a musician to a VET are you?" Which is why you are getting responses to your question.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Those commenting here chose to make their feelings public (and we don't have to argue over what public means; this is a place where others can reply to your comment), so they have to accept that others may find their comments irrational, fatuous, or worthy of contempt. Or are the commenters here such fragile flowers that they have to have a bubble of safe space around them at all times?

Yep--these public comments are subject to being discussed publicly and even disagreed with--and then we can respond to THAT.

Personally, I think it is pretty odd and verging on rude to join a place like the DIS for, apparently, the sole purpose of saying critical things about someone who just died (with veiled insults to the LGBTQ community included) and i think it IS flat out insulting to call into question the morals of anyone who dares to mourn a deceased person who is famous for music, especially on a message board with a current thread in which many members are mourning that person's passing.

(as to why I mourn no, others have more than covered that adequately--thanks everyone)

 

[Missy1961]

Yep--these public comments are subject to being discussed publicly and even disagreed with--and then we can respond to THAT.

Personally, I think it is pretty odd and verging on rude to join a place like the DIS for, apparently, the sole purpose of saying critical things about someone who just died (with veiled insults to the LGBTQ community included) and i think it IS flat out insulting to call into question the morals of anyone who dares to mourn a deceased person who is famous for music, especially on a message board with a current thread in which many members are mourning that person's passing.

(as to why I mourn no, others have more than covered that adequately--thanks everyone)

I agree.

 

[Disneylover99]

OP hasnt attacked Prince, they have questioned the ongoing grief by many for a person they didnt actually know.

The OP stated that "he killed himself by taking pills". His autopsy was just completed yesterday and it will take weeks before results are in, so yes, I consider that an attack.