I don't care let me in, at pop century

[AngiTN]

Human traffickers are not going to waste the expense or time by using a disney hotel. Too far away from main interstates, too much scrutiny by well heeled guests and no quick getaway when suspicion is aroused.

I agree 100%. Said so right here

.... Not that I think it is a problem at Disney at all. I know it is at other hotels but is Disney really a place they are going? It would be a place to hide an unusual family make up (1 man with several girls, for instance) simply because of the groups there, so maybe. Still not thinking this is a rampant problem with Resort guests.
Anyway, all that to say, accept housekeeping and more than likely you will never encounter a security check. But if you ask them to skip you on a given day, it may escalate something.

Still doesn't mean someone hasn't convinced them otherwise. As unlikely as it is, it's more likely than someone stockpiling weapons

 

[mom2rtk]

I don't know, just tossing some ideas out. I can't imagine trying to annoy and alienate guests is their goal here. Something set this off

My guess is that the Disney legal team set it off.

 

[pattyw]

So after reading all of the first hand guest experiences and the many comments about this policy I come to the following conclusions: Disney legal started this to prevent lawsuits from a bad event; Disney isn't giving information to the guests about this policy and when asked they get defensive; there is no one policy followed by cast members- some are accommodating, many are outright rude and bullyish; they are treating napping, sleeping, bathing, sick guests as criminals and they will not give them peace and quiet because they see them as potential threats who are holed up in their room doing no-good; in the end the bad event they are trying to prevent can certainly happen as this policy does nothing but annoy paying guests. One who wants to engage in unlawful behavior can certainly still do so. And if something happens, lawsuits will follow and this policy will be labeled ineffective.

 

[AngiTN]

My guess is that the Disney legal team set it off.

Ok, I'll be more specific. I should have defined my thought better, something set Disney decision makers off on this idea, legal, Resort management, whoever it the decision maker was.

It didn't just strike them out of the blue that they needed to come up a policy everyone would hate, guests and front line employees the like. It wasn't on the list of goals to come up with something that is going to annoy their guests more than any other policy in the history of WDW (even including FP+ or making a cake out of the castle).

So after reading all of the first hand guest experiences and the many comments about this policy I come to the following conclusions: Disney legal started this to prevent lawsuits from a bad event; Disney isn't giving information to the guests about this policy and when asked they get defensive; there is no one policy followed by cast members- some are accommodating, many are outright rude and bullyish; they are treating napping, sleeping, bathing, sick guests as criminals and they will not give them peace and quiet because they see them as potential threats who are holed up in their room doing no-good; in the end the bad event they are trying to prevent can certainly happen as this policy does nothing but annoy paying guests. One who wants to engage in unlawful behavior can certainly still do so. And if something happens, lawsuits will follow and this policy will be labeled ineffective.

More or less. I think they get defensive because they probably haven't been told why either. Or at least not all of them have. They can't defend it because they don't understand either so they get defensive.
And this is not the first time where a little power goes to the head of some with the power. We see that all the time too, at Disney and elsewhere. Some security guards at gates run their gate like a prison, quizzing intensely while others wave everyone through without a glance. Similar problems with bag checks, detailed emptying of bags to barely a look inside.
Without a clear policy in place for this procedure these power hungry types are prime to abuse their small bit of power.
This is what needs to be fixed first and foremost. Give these poor folks procedures (set procedures) to follow.
I'm not sure how much the guest should be informed of the policy. It's never been a secret that a hotel owner can enter your room at will. That is not a change here. They way they are doing it is though. I think with the right procedures in place it will help.
The one guest that should be told something are those who decline housekeeping, at Disney's request especially. They need to be informed that declining housekeeping will prompt your room to go through a daily security check instead. So it's clear you do one or the other.

 

[mom2rtk]

So after reading all of the first hand guest experiences and the many comments about this policy I come to the following conclusions: Disney legal started this to prevent lawsuits from a bad event; Disney isn't giving information to the guests about this policy and when asked they get defensive; there is no one policy followed by cast members- some are accommodating, many are outright rude and bullyish; they are treating napping, sleeping, bathing, sick guests as criminals and they will not give them peace and quiet because they see them as potential threats who are holed up in their room doing no-good; in the end the bad event they are trying to prevent can certainly happen as this policy does nothing but annoy paying guests. One who wants to engage in unlawful behavior can certainly still do so. And if something happens, lawsuits will follow and this policy will be labeled ineffective.

Totally agree.

Ok, I'll be more specific. I should have defined my thought better, something set Disney decision makers off on this idea, legal, Resort management, whoever it the decision maker was.

It didn't just strike them out of the blue that they needed to come up a policy everyone would hate, guests and front line employees the like. It wasn't on the list of goals to come up with something that is going to annoy their guests more than any other policy in the history of WDW (even including FP+ or making a cake out of the castle).

I still think it was Disney legal's reaction to Las Vegas. It's their job to "what if" when things like that happen. I just think they went too far with it here.

 

[Princess_Lisa]

I’m not saying that what they are doing is the best way to keep anyone safe. There is reason that all of a sudden they have changed their policy and I feel that the reasons I listed all fall into their decision.

The fact that there are no high rise hotels at Disney is moot. You don’t need a high rise to stockpile guns and shoot a bunch of people. Again, I don’t think the security check is going to prevent someone who wants to do it but Disney wants to make it appear that they are trying thwart these types of events.

This really only applies to a small number of higher floor rooms facing pools and bus stops. A majority of rooms at values like Pop face parking lots, grass, or water. Values/Moderates have a single window along the walkway. A Value/Moderate would make a terrible platform for a mass shooter. I could understand them being concerned about a mass shooting from something like BLT which has a lot of floors and windows facing the parks/monorails, but the Values/Moderates really should have been left out of this stupidity.

I can't find it now, but someone mentioned scanning guests (and their luggage) as they come into the hotel. That might work at Deluxes (delays and other annoyances aside), but Values and Moderates are all outdoor rooms. They would have to search every vehicle coming in. The line to get into the All-Stars (this included Disney Buses stuck in the same line) Monday was back to the McDonald's and that was just to verify people were supposed to be there (scan MagicBands, check ID). If they had to search every car, the line of cars waiting to get in would block every single road on Disney property from 429 to I-4.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I would much rather get my luggage scanned and bags checked than deal with this nonsense

Isn't that what they do at Disneyland Paris?

 

[kaytieeldr]

Instead, Disney should be working on how to reduce the bottlenecks caused by security theater, reduced staffing, non-working/inefficient transport, and poorly planned parade routes.

You do realize the parks are a different division of the company, right? And transportation is yet a different division?

 

[maxiesmom]

We like daily housekeeping so this shouldn't affect us but they are coming very early to some and banging on the door. I don't want to be disturbed early in the morning. Also, on another thread, a couple was staying at BC and she was sick and vomiting. Housekeeping came while she was ill and made her DH feel like a criminal when he asked for privacy. They ended up leaving their room and she went to the lobby restroom. Now that's just unbelievable!!

I saw that too, and it was awful! I must be not as nice as they are, no way would I have left my room. You want to watch me puke, have at it! Housekeeping has never had the right to kick you out. They still don't.

 

[Robn752]

We just came back from a week at the Bellagio in Las Vegas. We had housekeeping do our room ONCE. They called and left a message on our room phone twice to see if we needed towels. If this is because of Vegas shooter, that makes this securitycheck a bigger joke. MGM hotels still respect it guests and their privacy. This county has had many crazy people do violent and crazy things. If we change our lifestyles every time this happens, we will all be hiding out in our homes and never go anywhere.

 

[Fldisneyfamily4321]

all they are doing is setting themselves up for a lawsuit or worse when a CM barges in a room where maybe underage children are changing or bathing ... or a male cm comes into a room where a women alone is there and not dressed .... this is going to backfire in a big way . I also see how this will do much good when if you had something to hide you could just lock stuff up in suitcases ?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We just came back from a week at the Bellagio in Las Vegas. We had housekeeping do our room ONCE. They called and left a message on our room phone twice to see if we needed towels. If this is because of Vegas shooter, that makes this securitycheck a bigger joke. MGM hotels still respect it guests and their privacy. This county has had many crazy people do violent and crazy things. If we change our lifestyles every time this happens, we will all be hiding out in our homes and never go anywhere.

Thanks for sharing your experience about an MGM property. When I stayed in Vegas in October I stayed at a Hilton Grand Vacations property. Hilton is one brand that did change their procedure. I've wondered since it came out how the Hilton properties (as there are several) on the Strip have done it and how it compared to Disney's implementation.

 

[Moliphino]

I would much rather get my luggage scanned and bags checked than deal with this nonsense

Isn't that what they do at Disneyland Paris?

They didn't check our bags at Cheyenne in April, but there was a security guard at the door with a wand. To get into the secure parks/Disney Village area all bags went through scanners and people through metal detectors.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

You do realize the parks are a different division of the company, right? And transportation is yet a different division?

And? How does that negate the need to address those issues? Instead of wasting energy focusing on "searching" a 2nd floor room with windows that don't open and no balcony, for example?

 

[maxiesmom]

all they are doing is setting themselves up for a lawsuit or worse when a CM barges in a room where maybe underage children are changing or bathing ... or a male cm comes into a room where a women alone is there and not dressed .... this is going to backfire in a big way . I also see how this will do much good when if you had something to hide you could just lock stuff up in suitcases ?

People need to get in the habit of using the door latch.

 

[Betty Rohrer]

People need to get in the habit of using the door latch.

a few days ago watch a you tube showing how easy to undo door latch from outside and it was young people doing with no tool as such not sure how much I would trust latch after seeing that

 

[Fldisneyfamily4321]

People need to get in the habit of using the door latch.

That door latch is almost useless .. basically there to make you feel more secure .

 

[pattyw]

I think that will be the last straw for most people if a CM does, in fact, take off the door latch if you don't answer quick enough!

 

[Lynne M]

I think a little clarification on the purpose of the hotel room door latch (aka "door bar") is in order.

It's not a security measure. It's not meant to keep bad guys from coming into your room. That's what the door lock and deadbolt are for.

It's a courtesy and convenience feature. Its purpose is to give you some privacy if hotel staff (housekeeping, maintenance, etc) opens the door with a key, and you're asleep or indisposed. It allows the visitor and guest to speak without the door being fully opened. They can then call out and let you know who they are and/or why they're there, and you can then decide whether or not you wish to fully open the door.

In all of the numerous, endless discussions on this topic, I have not heard one report of a Disney resort employee forcing the door bar because a guest asked them to come back later. Not one.

Do hotels have the ability to open that latch from outside the room? Yes, of course. They have to, in order to get into the room if a) they believe the guest is in danger, or b) they believe the guest is doing something that would put staff or other guests in danger. They do not routinely pop the door bar just because they want to clean a room, and there's no reason to *not* use the door bar if you're in there and don't want a housekeeper walking in on you (Yes, I know that it may not be practical to use the door bar if someone in your party has left the room and will need to get back in).

 

[Rista1313]

I don't feel these checks are necessary... Las Vegas was one incident. My solution, don't allow people to opt out of mousekeeping. That way, someone comes in the room every day at least once a day. Problem solved.