I am in the wrong business..

[eseller]

It depends puck - I place a value of the time spent for each item and determine a bottom selling price from there and if it doesnt sell... oh well, I do not make a living doing this, it is just "extra" and the people I have sold to couldnt be happier. They all know that noone on any of these fan forum will ever trade them stuff because they dont have "rare" enough items. of what they do have , it is always "well, I have that already" - there are some nice people here, but for the most part, unless you have old beta stuff, you cannot trade with anyone for anything.

 

[MaliaMichelle]

I sell on eBay also (other things like DVD's, books, clothes, etc.). Anyways, I think the buyer has more protection in buying virtual stuff than a seller when paying through Paypal. Unless it's changed recently, the burden of proof of delivery is on the seller. For instance, I always send my items with DC (delivery confirmation). However in a virtual world, it's not like you can get DC. And if a buyer waits 15 days and says they didn't recieve item, paypal will investigate and if delivery can not be proved, they are likely to refund the money. If the seller has no money in the account though, they will just flag it until it does.

As far as the things on eBay go. Personally, they don't bother me. Like someone said, supply/demand. It's sad to see people taken advantage of with the free stuff, but they may not know to search. It could be a parent that doesn't play, but whose child desperatly wants something, has some birthday money and wants to buy that hat! Noone is forced to place bids. No matter how bad it seems to us, maybe to them it is worth it.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

It depends puck - I place a value of the time spent for each item and determine a bottom selling price from there and if it doesnt sell... oh well, I do not make a living doing this, it is just "extra" and the people I have sold to couldnt be happier. They all know that noone on any of these fan forum will ever trade them stuff because they dont have "rare" enough items. of what they do have , it is always "well, I have that already" - there are some nice people here, but for the most part, unless you have old beta stuff, you cannot trade with anyone for anything.

That's a load of junk. I have most of the quest items (except the newest) and most of the rare items. I, like everyone else, started VMK with almost nothing. I worked hard at the games (before the credits went higher and before HM) and still managed to get these items without resorting to paying out my hard earned cash for them. Anyone with patience and the know how can get anything they want without shelling out real money.
Face it. Many of those people are just plain lazy or just dumb enough to pay for it.
I also know of many people on the Fansite (as well as here) that have traded rare and beta items for buyable stuff.

I say, use the brain that was given to you and figure out your own resources for getting the stuff without spending your money.
I also won't support sellers of virtual items. I won't support the laziness and I refuse to take advantage of ignorant people. And if anyone ever needed "extra" money in life, it's me. But I find other ways to make my money.

 

[NJ Mike]

I think some people missed my point? I have no problem at all with the people bidding. My problem is with the person selling. Yes its legal on ebay, but not to vmk. So, all i think should happen is a ban. Nothing legal lol. But as puck pointed out, easier said than done. Although malia brings up an interesting point. Buy the inferno, wait 15 days, say you never got it and wham you got your money back...and the seller doesnt have a leg to stand on. (assuming you, the buyer, used a new ebay account, and e-mail addy for all transactions, that is)

 

[eseller]

so, now you are condoning reverse scamming? Because thats what that is, and it isnt that easy actually. Paypal/Ebay wont just "refund you money" like that.

And cteddy - it isnt nessecarily laziness that people buy things like this on ebay. Disagree with it all you want, but there is no need to slander the seller or the buyer - I am not taking advantage of anyone and the buyers always know what they are getting because I am upfront in the auction. You dont actually know anything about these buyers, just because you have no problem working for several hours per day on VMK does not mean that everyone else has that luxury. Many people work multiple jobs or long hours to support their children and families. Some just dont have access to the computer all that much. Some dont like to chat and trade, and with the number of scammers out there, who can blame them? Everyones story is different. The ammount of time you have spent "working" to trade for an item is obviously the way to go for you, but others may not like or want, or be able, to spend that kind of "hard work" doing it, so instead, their REAL work pays for it for them. Either way, they worked for it. They work for their money and then buy an item. Its all the same realy, you can slice it and dice it any way you want, but any way you do, someone worked to acquire the money and someone else worked to acquire the item. And thats that. Wrong or right, thats how it goes, I dont care if you "dont agree" with it and you dont care that I dont agree with you, so, why keep slandering me with phrases like "taking advantage of ignorant people" when it is all about a difference of opinion? Most of the people I have sold to are far from ignorant.

 

[Lauralee]

Does the buyer of any virtual item paying through Paypal have any "official" protection from nondelivery by the seller? I didn't think that Paypal would stand behind the buyer. The transaction would have to be completed on vmk through a trade. There is no proof of delivery. I think I saw someplace on the Paypal policies something to this effect. Anybody know off-hand?

 

[eseller]

Lauralee - the policy is long and convoluted, but typically because you are not purchasing a physical item, no, there is not as much protection. But someone who doesnt deliver wont be in business long because they will have negative feedback up the wazoo

 

[cteddiesgirl]

so, now you are condoning reverse scamming? Because thats what that is, and it isnt that easy actually. Paypal/Ebay wont just "refund you money" like that.

And cteddy - it isnt nessecarily laziness that people buy things like this on ebay. Disagree with it all you want, but there is no need to slander the seller or the buyer - I am not taking advantage of anyone and the buyers always know what they are getting because I am upfront in the auction. You dont actually know anything about these buyers, just because you have no problem working for several hours per day on VMK does not mean that everyone else has that luxury. Many people work multiple jobs or long hours to support their children and families. Some just dont have access to the computer all that much. Some dont like to chat and trade, and with the number of scammers out there, who can blame them? Everyones story is different. The ammount of time you have spent "working" to trade for an item is obviously the way to go for you, but others may not like or want, or be able, to spend that kind of "hard work" doing it, so instead, their REAL work pays for it for them. Either way, they worked for it. They work for their money and then buy an item. Its all the same realy, you can slice it and dice it any way you want, but any way you do, someone worked to acquire the money and someone else worked to acquire the item. And thats that. Wrong or right, thats how it goes, I dont care if you "dont agree" with it and you dont care that I dont agree with you, so, why keep slandering me with phrases like "taking advantage of ignorant people" when it is all about a difference of opinion? Most of the people I have sold to are far from ignorant.

Bottom line, it's not really about if I disagree with you or not. It's against VMK values. Plain and simple.
I have no respect for someone who is so blantantly disrepecting those rules. I also have no respect for a person who feels that they have to hide who they really are. If you feel you have such a right to sell this virtual stuff, then what do you have to hide? Frankly, I'd have more respect for you if you stepped up and posted as your true self. I still would not agree with you selling vmk items, but then at least you would be honest with your so called friends here on DIS. I do have problems with those that bid and buy, but yes, that is their foolishness to spend thier money. Heck, if they have so much money to burn, then they could throw a little my way.
But it's the sellers who are completely in the wrong. And deep down you know it or you wouldn't be hiding yourself.

 

[NJ Mike]

Not condoning it at all, just that if people are going to subvert vmk rules to sell, they should expect that others MAY subvert ebay and/or paypal rules in return. There are loopholes on both sides, some are used to sell, like creating bogus mules to carry out transactions in vmk, and some are used to buy, as malia pointed out. Doesnt make either right, but it will probably happen sooner or later.

In the end, its the seller that has to live with the decision, and the consequences, if there are any.

Personally, I prefer not to make a quick buck off of desperate kids. But hey, thats just me.

I just give the stuff away, which I have done, and will continue to do. And, quite frankly, if more people did the same then people like you wouldnt have anyone buying.

But hey, until that happens, I'll take comfort in the fact that everytime I give something away, that's a few less bucks that somebody, somewhere, is making.

 

[eseller]

Ok, Mike, you do have a point there, but it is not that easy to do. But regardless, I have a whole other side to my business and yes, I have had the "reverse charge" done by a credit card company against my paypal account from a buyer who wanted stuff for free, it happens, even if you have proof of delivery. Buyers always have more protection than sellers, just like renters have more protection than landlords, its the nature of socialism, but I digress.

Cteddy: I dont "hide" at all, I am who I am, thats all there is to it. And as far as "wrong" yes, I know it is against "VMK Values" but then again, the lobby clerk at Disneyland Resort who is selling VMK cards is too, the VMK staff member who is selling VMK items online is wrong too, but hey, I am sure that the staff is "worried about it" yeah, the only thing they are worried about is competition. The rules are for one thing and one thing only, to cover Disney's behind from a legal standpiont, no other reason.

 

[PirateDaisy]

As an avid Ebay Seller/Buyer, you can say I know the regulations pretty well. While you are allowed on Ebay to sell these items, you know it's not part of the VMK values to do it. But if you feel it is right do it because others are doing so, then so be it.

You are delivering a "virtual" item, something that is non-existant in real life, something you absolutely cannot prove you delivered. A person can very well create a mule, just as easy as a new account can be obtained on ebay. Negative feedback will not impact this new buyer but it will impact you as a seller. In order for a buyer to receive their money back they need to file a claim with PayPal after 15 days after the end of auction. You as a seller need to provide proof to this claim that you delivered said item. And you should also know that you need a delivery confirmation from USPS to provide that proof. If you don't have it, guess what? You lose the claim. And since you are delivering an item that is not real, you're going to have a very hard time proving this. And you're going to be left without your money, item, plus ebay and PayPal fees.

You need realize what you are doing is not right and eventually scammers will figure this out. Karma can be a something very powerful. I wish you the best of luck in all you do and hope you change your mind about all this and realize it's not right.

 

[tolkien7]

Call me a weenie (but not to my face - I am sensitive!) but I would be afraid to buy anything from VMK on eBay. There isn't anything that I want so much that I would risk being banned for it.

 

[mtlhddoc2]

You know, I am a tech, working for a big company, and I have some downtime while I work, so what I have done is joined a program where I get paid to do searches for other people on the web. I get paid to find things, which happen to be free if you know where to look. But isnt that the key? Know where to look. Web surfing is a talent, and it is tedious in a lot of cases, VMK can be quite tedious as well. So, I get paid to do other peoples dirty work on the web, and I do it all while I am being paid tyo sit in front of a PC and do nothing. So go ahead and blast me for taking advantage of the poor people who dont have the time, energy or talent to do it for themselves. Because what I do is exactly no different than what these ebay sellers do.

 

[Maleficent2]

I am not condoning this practice or the buying and selling on eBay of VMK items.

Please do not attack others for their beleifs or feelings either way on this issue.

How you feel and what your moral stance is on this subject is just that yours...it does not make the other person wrong and you right.

This subject is like religion and politics better off left alone.

Please continue to debate if you like just do not make moral judgments for that is an attack of that person and they may be deleted. On either side of the fence.

Here is another LoopHole:

Now I have never bought or sold anything on eBay so I hope this makes sense.

Seller puts up an auction selling a real VMK card with or without working code...say series 1 27/30 heartless hamper when you buy this card the seller will also GIVE you Inferno Magic in the game.

After money is received into sellers PayPal account or where ever it goes seller then mails the VMK card to buyer return receipt and once accepted by buyer then arranges to meet with buyer in the game to give over the inferno.

thus having a receipt that bought item was delivered.

Again I have not ever bought or sold anything on eBay so I am just assuming that this would work.

Mal

 

[SkippyPaul]

Eseller I have to give you a standing ovation for your response to another dis members slanderous comments. My brother and I got in to vmk only recently and obviously started collecting items immediately. Who wanted to trade their rare items for things we could only buy in the vmk stores? We both played games as much as possible to get credits. We are neither lazy or stupid as quoted in another post. We wanted rare like everyone else. So we found a trustworthy seller on ebay and started our collection to add in our rooms. Both party is happy. We enjoy bidding and that seller is making much needed money in the process. We do not feel cheated in any way for having to buy items most vmk'ers got in park quests. Our mother is unable to travel for health reasons, so we can never visit Disneyworld or Disneyland. We work hard around the house to help her special needs, so that is her Disney treat for us. So, our favorite seller is not " taking advantage of any ignorant people" in this house. In fact we have become very good friends with this seller. Our family also has sold on Ebay since Ebay's birth. Not vmk items but other things to help our with mounting medical bills. So as you can see, we are neither lazy, ignorant or being taken advantage of. We are just 2 boys who love vmk, and love our mother. And that is all we care about.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

Here is an example of how people can get quest and rare stuff without having those items themselves:

On Dis boards:
Lookin for everest codes that equal 16,000 credits

Other forums:
Needed ALOT of Buyables
Looking for...
i need buyables
Pink Nemo Chair for the Most Credits Offered..
I Need Credits. (look here for what i have)
Bird hat for shopping spree! I need Rare. Do u need Credits?

This is only some that I found. By this you see that there are many ways that you can get rare, beta and quest items from only buyables or stuff that have been recently available. Even with credits now.

And I did not say that every person that pays for virtual items are stupid, lazy etc. I realize that there are some that are not these things. And you might feel cheated if you payed for your virtual items and received them today and vmk closed down permanently tomorrow. Which you never know. That just might happen. If you (and not saying that you did) payed $400 for inferno, you would probably be really upset.

Anyways, my main problem is still with the sellers. It is against VMK values. Period. I also believe that any staff that is doing this should be fired on the spot.

I have a lot of bills myself. Thousands of dollars in medical bills and living expenses, But I still choose not to sell virtual items.

 

[milkabum]

I think that is it just one of those things, people sell everything on ebay. I have seen the Quest folders they hand out for free on there. I guess in the supply and demand society we live in, anything goes.

I am really surprised that Disney has not stopped it.

They take a very hard line on reselling their tickets so I am going to guess that sooner or later they will crack down on the VMK stuff.

The other day I saw a baby carrot shaped like a toe. Selling price: $0.01 .

 

[Cpt.JackSpearow]

Ebay, most u people hate seeing that stuff for sale on there. I bought some stuff that made me as rich as i am now on vmk from ebay. So what if they sell inferno for 250.00 and people bid. Thats there business they can bid if they want to. If u dont like it JUST DONT GO ON IT. You will reck everythign for the people who are bidding. Spending a cuple extra bucks for fun doesnt hurt. Now someone goes and tells a host to go on ebay and stop selling the stuff. Now me and over 1,000 other people wont be able to get stuff any more.

Think about those people that dont live in any were near WDW or DLR. What if they cant afford a trip. Dont you think it would be fair for them to bid on ebay.

Buying the stuff on ebay is dang cheaper than going to WDW just to get the stuff. I mean come on.



Hope to see your peoples opinions

 

[FunkyMonkey]

I kinda disagree....but I know what you mean. I see people putting things on there for like 30.00 dollars and people bid when you can get it for free! I feel like I want to crush them like my computer LOL !

 

[FlyThenFall]

While I'm all for free enterprise...the issue is, is that Disney specifically says NOT to engage in activity like this. We in the VMK fan community just react strongly against this.