How's the partial federal government shutdown affecting you?

[underdesea]

Well thank you. How compassionate you are!

Bless you little heart

 

[Hikergirl]

I don’t either. Never have. I have always done it myself, until I couldn’t. But then I worked out of it and was independent again.

This is t about anyone expecting anyone to take care of them. This is about people that have jobs which IS part of personal responsibility and are either not getting paid to work or not getting to work. Very different from expecting someone to take care of them.

NONE of us would have money to take care of ourselves without jobs.

And it is about THOSE WHO CAN PREPARE, SHOULD.
Look you all can keep coming up with stories about why people cant prepare, and disregard the fact that there are people out there who just choose not too because they would rather not think about. They'd rather buy the latest iphones and take $5000 vacations instead of putting money aside for emergencies. Those are the people I am talking about, they should be preparing for what they know could happen.

 

[kdonnel]

kdonnel is wrong about workers not yet missing a paycheck until the 11th.

Is he not paid by the GSA pay schedule?

https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/GSA_Payroll_Calendar_2018.pdf
Last 2018 pay day was December 28th, 2018

https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/GSA Payroll Calendar 2019_0.pdf
Next scheduled pay date is January 11th, 2019

 

[kdonnel]

Nah, this poster clearly has "personal responsibility" and is therefore impervious to bad stuff happening.

Not in the least.

I know at any moment I could be overwhelmed financially if something bad enough happens.

I have said repeatedly that I understand there are exceptions.

But I think it is foolish to not try to prepare.

Foolish to think that if you can't prevent the worst case you shouldn't try to prevent any case.

Foolish.

 

[bcla]

Is he not paid by the GSA pay schedule?

https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/GSA_Payroll_Calendar_2018.pdf
Last 2018 pay day was December 28th, 2018

https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/GSA Payroll Calendar 2019_0.pdf
Next scheduled pay date is January 11th, 2019

Not all agencies use that. This has an extensive listing of pay periods and pay datesL

https://www.fsafeds.com/enroll/schedules

 

[underdesea]

Not in the least.

I know at any moment I could be overwhelmed financially if something bad enough happens.

I have said repeatedly that I understand there are exceptions.

But I think it is foolish to not try to prepare.

Foolish to think that if you can't prevent the worst case you shouldn't try to prevent any case.

Foolish.

Well, you told us then. And all those foolish people facing terrible circumstances. Guess you can go to sleep tonight feeling superior. Good on you.

 

[kdonnel]

Well, you told us then. And all those foolish people facing terrible circumstances. Guess you can go to sleep tonight feeling superior. Good on you.

Your anger is concerning.

 

[underdesea]

And it is about THOSE WHO CAN PREPARE, SHOULD.
Look you all can keep coming up with stories about why people cant prepare, and disregard the fact that there are people out there who just choose not too because they would rather not think about. They'd rather buy the latest iphones and take $5000 vacations instead of putting money aside for emergencies. Those are the people I am talking about, they should be preparing for what they know could happen.

Can you provide a link to articles or other proof that the federal workers impacted by this shutdown have taken $5,000 vacations? And if they did, that makes them evil because?

 

[mnrose]

Well, you told us then. And all those foolish people facing terrible circumstances. Guess you can go to sleep tonight feeling superior. Good on you.

There are people who get off on feeling morally superior to other people. I've been very fortunate in my life, but unlike people who think they "deserve' all the financial fortune they have, I recognize a great deal of LUCK in where I am in my life. Lots of decisions I made which turned out to be good, but could just as well gone south. It's a lot of luck. I don't consider myself "morally superior" to other people. Just luckier. My children are healthy. My husband and I are healthy. We've never been involved in a serious accident or had any sort of catastrophic financial setback. These are matters of luck. And anyone who thinks otherwise is just waiting for karma to bite them in the rear.

 

[kdonnel]

Not all agencies use that. This has an extensive listing of pay periods and pay datesL

https://www.fsafeds.com/enroll/schedules

Interesting.

Seems like an opportunity to consolidate to a single pay schedule and potentially save money. Maintaining so many different schedules seems like a waste of money.

 

[Chuck S]

It isn't affecting me personally, but it is affecting my cousin. She works for a government contractor and is furloughed. SHe will not get back pay, unlike actual government employees. She is also undergoing treatment for cancer, and her insurance deductible just rolled over, so she is in a bit of a pinch right now. Fortunately, her home is paid off and she does have some savings...but still she can't last indefinitely without a paycheck.

 

[skyblue17]

Just would like to put out there that if you already have debt, and you're making about $20 an hour as a TSA agent (per the estimate in this thread), working at an urban airport such as JFK or SFO, where the COL is pretty high and you probably need to take public transportation to work and you might need to pay for child care, it's not exactly being "foolish" if you don't have much left over to save, it just is what it is.

 

[luvsJack]

And it is about THOSE WHO CAN PREPARE, SHOULD.
Look you all can keep coming up with stories about why people cant prepare, and disregard the fact that there are people out there who just choose not too because they would rather not think about. They'd rather buy the latest iphones and take $5000 vacations instead of putting money aside for emergencies. Those are the people I am talking about, they should be preparing for what they know could happen.

Not one person here ever said that anyone who can shouldn’t prepare. What they have said is that not everyone can prepare. I don’t think you disagree with that. I do think you have an unrealistic idea of how many can and do not.

 

[Hikergirl]

Can you provide a link to articles or other proof that the federal workers impacted by this shutdown have taken $5,000 vacations? And if they did, that makes them evil because?

Can you provide links that the federal workers impacted are all on the verge of poverty before the shutdown and unable to set aside money to prepare for not getting a paycheck?

You clearly are trying to find something to argue about, nowhere did I say they were evil. If you want to put words in someone's mouth to prove your point then all that means is you don't have one or you aren't intelligent enough to discuss it. Maybe you have issues with reading comprehension.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are just looking to argue and in that case you can continue to put words in my mouth and speak for me. Then there is no need for me to waste my own on you.

 

[underdesea]

Your anger is concerning.

That's the best you've got? I'm not angry. You have the right to your opinion. I just don't share it. Is this how you react to anyone who doesn't agree with you? That they are disturbed? That seems messed up to me. Just saying. You do you. No skin off my back.

 

[Hikergirl]

Not one person here ever said that anyone who can shouldn’t prepare. What they have said is that not everyone can prepare. I don’t think you disagree with that. I do think you have an unrealistic idea of how many can and do not.

Um, I don't recall claiming any numbers. I have repeatedly said those who can should. If that somehow equates to an unrealistic "number" I must have missed that day in math class.

 

[kdonnel]

Just would like to put out there that if you already have debt, and you're making about $20 an hour as a TSA agent (per the estimate in this thread), working at an urban airport such as JFK or SFO, where the COL is pretty high and you probably need to take public transportation to work, it's not exactly being "foolish" if you don't have much left over to save, it just is what it is.

SFO has opted to use Covenant Aviation Security instead of the TSA directly. As such SFO is unaffected by the shutdown. What I don't know is if the Covenant pays more or less then what the TSA previously paid.

 

[kdonnel]

That's the best you've got? I'm not angry. You have the right to your opinion. I just don't share it. Is this how you react to anyone who doesn't agree with you? That they are disturbed? That seems messed up to me. Just saying. You do you. No skin off my back.

I don't react with anger when someone has a different opinion.

 

[Christine]

And it is about THOSE WHO CAN PREPARE, SHOULD.
Look you all can keep coming up with stories about why people cant prepare, and disregard the fact that there are people out there who just choose not too because they would rather not think about. They'd rather buy the latest iphones and take $5000 vacations instead of putting money aside for emergencies. Those are the people I am talking about, they should be preparing for what they know could happen.

Hikergirl,

I get you and I also get kdonnel. I sat here on this thread and the other thread and gave stories of why some people can't prepare and gave some of my personal times of "poverty" and how I felt helpless. I didn't do that to be disagreeable or to say that what kdonnel and you pointing out isn't the truth. As many "poor" stories that I think we all have, I for one know the same amount of people who have the means to prepare but live recklessly when it comes to finances. Heck we see those travesties on this board.

The reason I related my own stories here is because, at least with the one poster, it was all one way or the other. They could see absolutely NO reason for anyone to be ill-prepared. I happen to think that is either showing an extreme deficit in empathy or means that people live in a very tight bubble where they only know their own experiences.

In general, yeah, I think people can be pretty irresponsible with their money management but I certainly know that you can also catch a few unlucky breaks and have something like a furlough or job loss be devastating.

 

[skyblue17]

SFO has opted to use Covenant Aviation Security instead of the TSA directly. As such SFO is unaffected by the shutdown. What I don't know is if the Covenant pays more or less then what the TSA previously paid.

Well, it's an example. Swap in a different airport then. Chances are it's not easy for most to save on $20 an hour.