How Was Bullying Handled At Your Child's School?

What do you think it is in your program that's making it work so well?

Well, for one thing, kids don't earn money for doing things that are expected of all students, like helping clean up and sitting nicely on a rug, and stuff like that. They only earn them for going "above and beyond" expectations. My kids didn't earn a "ton" of them, and every time they earned them, we were notified as to what they had done to earn them. They have to do things like offer to help a student who needs help (like, if they are doing math worksheets and a student needs help, rather than asking the teacher, they are sort of encouraged to ask each other, since they work in small groups in clustered desks). When a student helps another, he or she is rewarded. If they are seen doing something spontaneously kind, they are rewarded (like, if they offer to throw away someone else's trash at lunch, or they notice trash didn't get thrown out, and they do so without being told). There are always teachers watching and they pay attention even during recess to what the kids are doing. If they offer to help a teacher or other staff member, they are rewarded. If they show exceptional leadership or kindness, they are rewarded, etc. My son was given a reward once because during a fire drill one day, another student in his class (the autism class), got scared and wanted to run, but he held her hand and told her "it's okay, Ashley, just stay with me so we will be safe." His teacher was so proud of him for noticing her distress and finding a way to diffuse it before the teacher or aides had to step in. Things like that earn students rewards. Honest, genuine acts of kindness and compassion. It also acts as a model for other students who then tend to want to emulate those behaviors. Eventually, the money stops mattering, and the kids just naturally behave better to please their teachers. There really seems to be a culture here where students want to please. Maybe it's the large Asian population (almost a majority of the city population as a whole and a majority at every school) where that is ingrained into their own culture as well. Either way, it works very well here.

I'm not going to pretend there aren't bad kids. There are. But, they aren't given a lot of power, at least at school. The overwhelming majority of students will call them out and it sort of becomes a situation where the students are policing the bad behavior of their peers. I have seen this happen numerous times while volunteering for recess duty. Each middle and high school also has a "security guard" (not an actual security guard in a uniform, but a guy who is dressed in plain clothes but who is essentially the "sheriff" of each school). These guys generally get to know EVERY student by name, and are very visible on campus, and will also sort of police behavior during times like lunch, between classes, pick up and drop off, etc. They don't let things escalate if they see anything going down. At the elementary level, rather than the security guard type person, there are NUMEROUS Instructional Assistants who become sort of like counselors for the kids as well. They kind of float around the school, helping where needed and spend time supervising lunch and recess. The kids really like having these people around and they often spend a lot of time with the students doing fun activities during lunch/recess, to form close bonds with students. It's kind of like having a second mom at school. We joked that our most prominent elementary school IA was our kids' "third grandma."

I don't know what, specifically, makes it work, but it seems like there are many parts that come together to be a very successful program that our district is very proud of. They have spent a lot of time developing and refining it and it has been quite successful.
 
I'm not going to get in to personal details but while the 3 schools here (elementary, junior high and high school) didn't ignore the bully that targeted my ds, they allowed his behavior to continue from elementary through high school.
The continued BS punishments and second chances went on for years and this kid NEVER changed. All he did was torment other kids through the years with never really having serious consequences.

Our district implemented PBIS a few years ago, it's pretty much become a joke, at least according to my youngest and his friends.

And this is how you know nothing is being done or at least nothing that works. If your kid is the target, you don’t have to have someone tell you what they are doing or not doing, your kid knows that either nothing is being done or it doesn’t work.

If the school takes action and nothing changes, they need to them take another approach. Doing the same punishment over and over isn’t suddenly going to work.
 
When I asked my son if he'd ever seen any bullying at his elementary school he didn't even know what I was talking about. I described what bullying is and he looked horrified and said that no one at his school would ever do that. I volunteer in the school quite often and I have to say all the children do seem to get along well. We live in an area with a lot of cultural representation and I think that helps. No one is "different" because everyone is.

This is how our district is as well. Kids here really, truly don't see "differences" as such. They are openly curious about others and just accept them for who they are, no judgment. I love it and it's a huge reason why we have worked so hard to keep our kids in this district (we live in a VERY expensive city...but this is the type of thing that makes it 100% worth it for us). I am SO relieved that my children have never been bullied or made to feel "less than" due to their autism. Not once. That isn't the case for most kids like mine. If they get through school having never experienced the pain of being bullied, well, that is priceless to me.
 
Honestly the bullying problems here aren’t the kids that are different being bullied. The kids that have disabilities are well protected by the student body but I don’t think anyone ever tries to bully them. If kids are of a different race/nationality or a different religion or no religion, that’s pretty much accepted.

The ones that become targets are the kids that are seen as quiet or perhaps “weaker” or that the bully is jealous of.

Ds’s bully was jealous of him. The bully saw him as a threat to his “status” and ds was small for his age that made him perceived to be an easy target.

Dd’s bully just thought she wouldn’t stand up to her. And she was jealous of Dd. When Dd stood up to her, she moved on to dd’s best friend.

That is 90% of the bullying we see here. Was then and from what I see from folks that still have kids in school, it still is.
 

And this is how you know nothing is being done or at least nothing that works. If your kid is the target, you don’t have to have someone tell you what they are doing or not doing, your kid knows that either nothing is being done or it doesn’t work.

If the school takes action and nothing changes, they need to them take another approach. Doing the same punishment over and over isn’t suddenly going to work.

Exactly. One can say all day that "schools are definitely doing something" but if that something isn't working to stop the problem then it makes what they are doing absolutely meaningless.
 
Honestly the bullying problems here aren’t the kids that are different being bullied. The kids that have disabilities are well protected by the student body but I don’t think anyone ever tries to bully them. If kids are of a different race/nationality or a different religion or no religion, that’s pretty much accepted.

The ones that become targets are the kids that are seen as quiet or perhaps “weaker” or that the bully is jealous of.

Ds’s bully was jealous of him. The bully saw him as a threat to his “status” and ds was small for his age that made him perceived to be an easy target.

Dd’s bully just thought she wouldn’t stand up to her. And she was jealous of Dd. When Dd stood up to her, she moved on to dd’s best friend.

That is 90% of the bullying we see here. Was then and from what I see from folks that still have kids in school, it still is.

Absolutely the case at our school too. Generally kids with special needs are well loved and well protected by the other kids. It's the day-to-day classroom crap among general students that can be the problem. Thankfully my kids haven't been involved with anything that's risen to the level of bullying, but the few cases I know of, it wasn't because of special needs, or things generally considered "diversity.
 
If there is any physical assault or sexual harassment absolutely file a police report. If it's a kid who just made a dumb choice, no harm done. If it's someone who is going to continue to abuse throughout life, it's good to start a paper trail as soon as possible.
 
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Both of my children were given my blessing to handle ANY bullying situation immediately. Simply put, you do not allow it to ever happen to you or anyone around you. If it does, you stop it.

Never had a problem.
 
Removing a student takes a lot of documentation-it can take a year. If the student has an IEP the parents and their lawyers will be threatening to sue.
Social media is a huge problem because if it’s taking place outside of school administrators cannot punish them.
I will tell you that in all my years in a HS none of us tolerated bullying-but kids can be so
sneaky fast that you don’t see or hear anything. Often another student would tell me something privately so I could be extra vigilant. I saw many instances over the years of incredible kindness by our kids-and one benefit of anti bullying programs was that other students were less likely to let something pass and would alert us to what was going on. Not because we didn’t care-we didn’t see it.
And I can tell you in many instances the child that bullies probably has a jerk for a parent. My son in law’s principal was assaulted by a parent over a schedule change-to remove the student from a class where he was bullying another student.
 
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Honestly the bullying problems here aren’t the kids that are different being bullied. The kids that have disabilities are well protected by the student body but I don’t think anyone ever tries to bully them. If kids are of a different race/nationality or a different religion or no religion, that’s pretty much accepted.

The ones that become targets are the kids that are seen as quiet or perhaps “weaker” or that the bully is jealous of.

Ds’s bully was jealous of him. The bully saw him as a threat to his “status” and ds was small for his age that made him perceived to be an easy target.

Dd’s bully just thought she wouldn’t stand up to her. And she was jealous of Dd. When Dd stood up to her, she moved on to dd’s best friend.

That is 90% of the bullying we see here. Was then and from what I see from folks that still have kids in school, it still is.

Here too.

The kids who get bullied here are the kids who pose a threat to the kids whose families have lived here for generations or those who don't conform to the crowd. ie. kids with ADHD or Aspergers, or other "hidden" issues that aren't visible or understood by the general peer population. To kids' defense overall, I think it's difficult for any 10 year old to understand that kids who look just like them can also have some degree of special needs, but nonetheless, this is the biggest group of kids that get ostracized and bullied around here...the kids are labeled as "weird" and once one popular kid decides to hate someone, the rest of them follow suit.
 
Does anyone know exactly how educators' hands are tied?

If the bully has an IEP, they may not be "allowed" to handle it the same way they would with a general-ed student. (Note: I'm not necessarily agreeing with this policy, just explaining it.)

These kids were horrible to DS until he became a football "star" in HS and then everyone wanted to be friends with him. He blew all of them off and stayed friends with the few kids who actually went against the crowd in middle school and were nice to him. He never forgot these nice kids, and is still friends with them today.

Good for him!! (...and for you, raising him right!)

That's good to hear of somewhere where PBIS is working so well. Our district has it too...It definitely seems to be falling into the "punished by rewards" category where some kids expect their pretend money and gold stars and prizes just for behaving like they're supposed to. (Several months ago DS said that he helped clean up some trash after lunch because he only needed two more bucks to get some prize, and he wanted the bucks. That led to a long conversation about cleaning up and helping others because it's the kind, responsible thing to do, rather than to get something for yourself. Sigh.)

Yeah, that's what's happening here too. I occasionally substitute teach, and have actually had kids ask me "Do I get a ticket for that?"... And then we have kids with hidden challenges getting tickets for the littlest thing, while well-behaved typical kids sit there doing the same thing and wondering why they're forgotten. It hasn't been an overwhelmingly positive or particularly well-received change here.

I don't know what, specifically, makes it work, but it seems like there are many parts that come together to be a very successful program that our district is very proud of. They have spent a lot of time developing and refining it and it has been quite successful.

I definitely think it's about the culture of helping each other you described!
 
Here too.

The kids who get bullied here are the kids who pose a threat to the kids whose families have lived here for generations or those who don't conform to the crowd. ie. kids with ADHD or Aspergers, or other "hidden" issues that aren't visible or understood by the general peer population. To kids' defense overall, I think it's difficult for any 10 year old to understand that kids who look just like them can also have some degree of special needs, but nonetheless, this is the biggest group of kids that get ostracized and bullied around here...the kids are labeled as "weird" and once one popular kid decides to hate someone, the rest of them follow suit.

This is how both of my kids are. They are "high functioning autistic" and partially mainstreamed, and mostly present as odd/weird, but look completely "normal." One has speech issues that make him sound MUCH younger than his age (he is 12 and sounds like a toddler). Kids like mine are ROUTINELY bullied mercilessly. I am a member of several online autism groups and the stories I hear are just heartbreaking. This is the kind of thing that doesn't happen (or hasn't happened) to my kids, ever, at school. I don't think it is the norm everywhere that kids with disabilities are protected. Maybe the kids with obvious issues like Downs or CP, but not most kids with autism. They are routinely bullied right to the point that their parents pull them out and homeschool them to protect them. It happens SO MUCH.
 
Maybe because we’re such a small district-3 elementary, 1 MS, 1 HS- our kids knew the kids with autism, Down Syndrome, etc for so many years and just accepted them as classmates. As I’ve said before, I saw many acts of kindness and inclusion while working in my library. Often I would pull a student privately aside and just tell them “I saw you with so and so today and I appreciate you working together so well.” And it seemed like kids that moved into our district took their cue from their classmates. I’m not saying there were never problems, but nothing like what some other posters have experienced.
 
My granddaughter was bullied all through last year by 2 girls. We went to the school and nothing was done. I know nothing was done because the one girl is the daughter of my DIL's best friend. They blamed my granddaughter for being to sensitive and a tattle tale. The two bullies were cutting themselves and my granddaughter was trying to help them. That was her reward for having a caring heart.

Both of the bullies were "rewarded" by the school as they were allowed to be in the special group that rewards students. It's called Golden Attitude and to be in the group you must show good behavior and citizenship. Right, they get rewarded while torturing my granddaughter in school and on line all year.

We talked to the teachers asking them not to put my granddaughter in the same groups as the girls and the teachers would "forget". Her home room teacher thought we were exaggerating until my granddaughter burst into hysterical, uncontrolled sobbing. It wasn't until I happened to have a conversation with the school's principal that I found out she knew nothing of what had been going on all year. The dean of students "handled" it. The principal did what she could but the damage was done. When another grandchild was having issues this year his mother told the school you handle it or I will. She told my grandson the next time the kid laid a hand on him "Deck Him" in front of the dean of students.
he dean realized my daughter was serious and it was handled immediately. If I had known that was all we had to do it would have been so helpful. T

Thankfully my granddaughter started high school and is away from the bullies. She is in a high school for the arts and with other kids like herself and the difference in her this year is amazing.
 
This is how both of my kids are. They are "high functioning autistic" and partially mainstreamed, and mostly present as odd/weird, but look completely "normal." One has speech issues that make him sound MUCH younger than his age (he is 12 and sounds like a toddler). Kids like mine are ROUTINELY bullied mercilessly. I am a member of several online autism groups and the stories I hear are just heartbreaking. This is the kind of thing that doesn't happen (or hasn't happened) to my kids, ever, at school. I don't think it is the norm everywhere that kids with disabilities are protected. Maybe the kids with obvious issues like Downs or CP, but not most kids with autism. They are routinely bullied right to the point that their parents pull them out and homeschool them to protect them. It happens SO MUCH.

We have custody of our great-nephew, who is 12, and last year was very difficult for him, as well as for DS13 (they are both in 7th grade). Nephew has ADHD and was not on medication when we got him, so the kids thought all of his little episodes and bursts of overly-energetic blurts and fast talking was weird and annoying. DS13 has been in the school since Kindergarten, so they would go to him and ask what's wrong with your cousin? Which put DS in a tough spot...defending his family while understanding that it WAS annoying behavior and sometimes DS needed a break from his cousin too!

It's sooooo hard. I had the opportunity to see both sides - the kids weren't bad kids, but they weren't overly understanding at 11-12 years old and 6th grade. I wish there could be more of a spotlight on these "hidden" disabilities, but I think that could also highlight the differences even more and make it worse for those poor kids already struggling :(
 
Horribly My step-son was getting bullied by the school. He spoke out and reported a teacher yelling at and disparaging her class, She started subjectively grading his work. When asked for a grading rubric the school refused to supply it. When we filed a formal complaint it was dismissed….

Union protects union teachers, they don’t care what the teacher does to the children
 
Their hands are tied to some degree, especially if he has diagnosed behavioral issues. This is the dilemma in schools. I don't agree with the statement, 'boys will be boys' if students are being physically assaulted. That's no longer bullying, that's assault. Often the only remedy is to circumvent the school system and get the police involved. Keep in mind, administrators can't discuss another student's discipline publicly, so if a parent says, what are you doing about it, their answer will be, it's being dealt with. If they say more than that, they are violating that student's rights.

This is an incredibly difficult issue for schools.
This is an incredibly difficult issue for PUBLIC schools. Private schools don't put up with it.
 
This is an incredibly difficult issue for PUBLIC schools. Private schools don't put up with it.
It is only an issue because our society allows it to be.

If school were fined for failure to effectively protect the children they are charged with protecting I think you would find a different result.
 
This is an incredibly difficult issue for PUBLIC schools. Private schools don't put up with it.
My kids went to a chain Private School that had an entire program set up entirely to deal with problem students. The public school district PAID the tuition for the students they had expelled. Same campus, different instructors and I sure never was aware of any issues.
 
It is only an issue because our society allows it to be.

If school were fined for failure to effectively protect the children they are charged with protecting I think you would find a different result.
Fining ANY public agency is a waste of time. It's not their money, it's the taxpayers. Like I posted above, the Public District I live in pays the tuition of problem students they expelled in private schools.
 





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