How is this acceptable FP+ lovers?

[lugnut33]

So what you're saying is you're fine with that line backing out into major walkways?

 

[Q-man]

First of all, not defending FP+ here at all. I am not a fan on any level. However, just wanted to say that I was stuck in that type of FP+ return line last February and it really did move very fast. Probably took us about 10 minutes to get through the FP+ scanner.

This. Those OP's pix don't mean anything without knowing what the line inside is. The Mickey readers are often where the longest line is for FP+. Space Mountain is the worst for this. There the Mickey reader line can extend to under TTA but once in you walk all the way down to the ride loading and you'll usually be on in 3 loadings or less.

The FP+ line for EE at AK also experiences the line to the Mickey readers will, at times, take more time than the line past them.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I'm saying sometimes it might happen, so what? It isn't like that all the time and it usually doesn't take all that long to clear out. As much as people want to believe it is the most awful thing ever. Not saying there isn't bad stuff happening consistently about FP+, it's just that this isn't it.

 

[lugnut33]

But it's not. It's one you might get occasionally during the day due to various circumstances (in this case the ride went down and came back up) but it is not typical. I've seen them back up on occasion but it's not a regular thing.

Really, because the Fp+ lines I saw this past August were very similar to the ones I saw last November during Thanksgiving (except for the days that we go lucky and ran into dead parks).

 

[lugnut33]

Gotcha. Trolling from the comfort of your own computer.

Carry on.

Think what you want.

 

[wisblue]

Nothing you just posted has anything to do with FP+ and that line. You cannot sit there and tell me that isn't a typical FP+ line you'll see several times a day while going through the parks? If it isn't, then why did Disney build FP+ queues outside the Fp+ queues?

Now, you're saying that this is a typical line that a guest will see several times a day? What is your support for that?

I have no doubt that if this was typical, these boards would be teeming with pictures and reports of outrageously long FP+ lines.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Really, because the Fp+ lines I saw this past August were very similar to the ones I saw last November during Thanksgiving (except for the days that we go lucky and ran into dead parks).

I've been in loads of FP lines. Some were long, some were short, some were basically nonexistent. Even when they were long it didn't take much time to get through unless the ride broke down or something (7 dwarves I'm looking at you.)

 

[cakebaker]

Nothing you just posted has anything to do with FP+ and that line. You cannot sit there and tell me that isn't a typical FP+ line you'll see several times a day while going through the parks? If it isn't, then why did Disney build FP+ queues outside the Fp+ queues?

It's how much the line wait has increased this year from last year with the difference being fp+ and a reduced capacity for the ride. It has everything to do with that picture that supposedly shows how long the waits are. I don't care if the line is a mile long- it's how long I wait to get on the ride that counts.


And never mind the fact that the subject of this thread is that fp+ "lovers" are being incredulously asked how is this line acceptable- when the cause of the excessive line had little to do with fp+.

You tried to make a point and you didn't to bother to check and see if there was anything else that could've been the cause of a line that looks horrid because you are intent on proving fp+ to be terrible. Perhaps it is, but the proof isn't in this picture.

 

[lugnut33]

This. Those OP's pix don't mean anything without knowing what the line inside is. The Mickey readers are often where the longest line is for FP+. Space Mountain is the worst for this. There the Mickey reader line can extend to under TTA but once in you walk all the way down to the ride loading and you'll usually be on in 3 loadings or less.

That is one of my main points about this situation, that it's unacceptable to me that the FP+ lines get that long and go out into major walkways. That's bad show and it leads to congestion and I think it's unacceptable. I've been in those long lines and yeah they do move quickly, it still doesn't make it right.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Oh, I'm seeing now that the OP doesn't like the way it looks and thinks it might be a safety issue. Nothing to do with how long it might take those in the line to get on the ride. He personally finds the actual view of the line unacceptable. If the line was like that all the time I might think so too. But it's not.

 

[luvsJack]

If FP+ is being used more (and didn't someone post an article a day or two ago stating that?) then it just stands to reason that the FP+ lines are going to be longer. Sort of the standby lines in reverse?

We go the week of Thanksgiving when we go. One of the busiest weeks of the year. We have never seen, let alone waited in a line for POC. Ever. Even after a break down. So, what on earth is causing a line like that now? Is it really that busy?

 

[RachaelA]

We had a ride go down during our FP+ window last week. They emailed us and said they put a FP in there that was good for certain rides for the rest of the day. We used it for one of the other rides rather then the original because the FP+ line was crazy as well (I think it made the standy wait of Peter Pan jump to 90 minutes).

 

[lugnut33]

It's how much the line wait has increased this year from last year with the difference being fp+ and a reduced capacity for the ride. It has everything to do with that picture that supposedly shows how long the waits are. I don't care if the line is a mile long- it's how long I wait to get on the ride that counts.


And never mind the fact that the subject of this thread is that fp+ "lovers" are being incredulously asked how is this line acceptable- when the cause of the excessive line had little to do with fp+.

You tried to make a point and you didn't to bother to check and see if there was anything else that could've been the cause of a line that looks horrid because you are intent on proving fp+ to be terrible. Perhaps it is, but the proof isn't in this picture.

THE RIDE WAS DOWN 2 HOURS BEFORE THIS PHOTO! The situation would have normalized by the time this photo was taken.

And sorry, I don't see how that line is acceptable. Would it make it better if that line was down inside the ride.... heck yes it would.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

We have never seen, let alone waited in a line for POC. Ever.

Really? Even before FP+ there have been occasions where I've had to wait in line to get onboard (yes, even outside the turnstiles on a couple of occasions, and yes we did wait). No way has it been a complete walkon every single time I've tried to ride it over 12 years. Sometimes it is, especially near closing.

 

[lugnut33]

They tried FP at Disneyland for POTC and quickly removed it because it led to decreased capacity. Disney had history with this, apparently they didn't learn.

 

[Q-man]

That is one of my main points about this situation, that it's unacceptable to me that the FP+ lines get that long and go out into major walkways. That's bad show and it leads to congestion and I think it's unacceptable. I've been in those long lines and yeah they do move quickly, it still doesn't make it right.

I have no idea why the location of the line bugs you so. All the Mickey readers do is change where the FP wait is. Those people in that pix could be walking all the way down to loading once their band is read. We can't tell anything with knowing what the interior line is.

 

[tony67]

Touring Plans twitter account.

I don't bother with any of the touring sites..I don;t like to plan my trip to the second...but do they have a reason to make it look worse than it really is or did they mention why the line was so long?

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Yeah, it's pretty much established that the OP doesn't like the idea that the line is visible outside the attraction and to him that's unacceptable.

I've had to think about at what point I would consider that unacceptable. it doesn't strike me as something I'd complain about unless it was like that all the time and I've never seen that at Pirates before.

 

[Hokie2000]

I guess as a FP+ lover I can try to answer the original question?

Is this line acceptable? Probably not. Not because it's too long a wait but because it's not directed well. There's a lot of space there, couldn't they (Disney) form the line in a way that doesn't block the walkway? Hopefully they will address these kinds of problems and prevent (as much as possible) this kind of congestion.

What I don't really get is the idea that these rides are only worth riding if you can walk on them. I see posts where people never waited more than 5 minutes for POTC, Small World, etc. So are you saying that you won't ride the classic rides if you have to wait for them? Or that you shouldn't have to wait at all? When did no waiting at all become the norm?

I don't have a huge problem with lines. I consider short waits, like at RD or w/ a FP, to be a bonus, not an unalienable right. I've waited 45 minutes for Pirates. It was worth it to me at that time. Other times I've walked by rides and decided the line wasn't worth it, NBD. With legacy FP, we waited over an hour to ride Test Track on our arrival day as our first ride. Again, not a big deal, something we chose to do.

I guess I am lucky: I love planning, I don't have a huge problem waiting in lines, I don't get stressed over "missing out" on a ride at Disney World, and I don't want to do RD every day. It's like FP+ was made just for me!

 

[cakebaker]

THE RIDE WAS DOWN 2 HOURS BEFORE THIS PHOTO! The situation would have normalized by the time this photo was taken.

And sorry, I don't see how that line is acceptable. Would it make it better if that line was down inside the ride.... heck yes it would.

You're still trying to say that line going out like that is typical of POC?

Of course the line isn't acceptable and if it happened every day, I'm quite sure Disney would do something about it. It's a temporary problem that can't be helped unless you can figure out a way to stop rides from ever breaking down.

But go ahead, file it away in your facts file as evidence of the evils of FP+.