How I lost 134 points in one easy trade

[Brian Noble]

Changing names as a gift is not the same as changing names in exchange for compensation.

You can always gift an exchange. You can never receive compensation for one as a regular II member. According to what Dean has posted, you also cannot do so through BVTC.

Of course, what the Rent/Trade board chooses to do is its own business.

 

[jerdria]

Not sure if you're already aware, but the Timeshare User's Group may be a helpful resource for you. There are individual postings regarding last minute trades.

 

[Dean]

Actually, DVC has always allowed members changing the names on an exchange reservation in the past, and continues in the present. If DVC changes that policy in the future we will certainly review the Rent/Trade board posting rules.

What is prohibited is to make an II exchange and then rent it directly to a 3rd party yourself.

That's correct but renting an II exchange was exactly the issue in question on this thread.

 

[Debbie & Bill]

We're memberes of Interval international, we own at Marriott Ko Olina sorry you can't make that trip. I'm able to search the II exchange's and see DVC dose have inventory available looking out into next year, studios are common. You might think about having II put you on the exchange list back to DVC. You might have top priorty because you traded DVC and it's your home resort club.

Good Luck, Hopefully it will work out.

 

[Dean]

We're memberes of Interval international, we own at Marriott Ko Olina sorry you can't make that trip. I'm able to search the II exchange's and see DVC dose have inventory available looking out into next year, studios are common. You might think about having II put you on the exchange list back to DVC. You might have top priorty because you traded DVC and it's your home resort club.

Good Luck, Hopefully it will work out.

DVC members can't trade back into DVC using DVC. They can trade through II using non DVC deposits. I did suggest earlier in this thread they ask for an exception in this area but I doubt it'd be granted. BTW, just bought an EOY resale at Ko'Olina, waiting to see if it will pass ROFR.

 

[hematite153]

I've just read through this thread and have a few thoughts...

First, I completely respect your decision to not take your DS out of school. (Btw, kudos to him for being at grade level despite significant challenges.)

Second, I understand that you are making decisions that are right for your family and that your goal in posting here was to remind people that trades are not as flexible as we'd like them to be.

Third, I am confused by your seeming unwillingness to try doing something with the points. If there is only 1 thing that you want (spring break, HHI), that's fine. It doesn't exist now, that's fine. But, there are computerized waitlist systems. What would you lose by putting in an ongoing request for what you want? Even if there's only a 1% chance of getting it, you wouldn't lose anything by leaving the request open.

I also understand the concern about liability if you donated it and something went wrong. But, if I had points I was going to lose, I can think of numerous family members or church friends who could never afford this kind of week who would be thrilled to receive it and would treat it as a wonderful gift worthy of treasuring.

These are just my thoughts and I don't think you should necessarily listen to me--I don't know you or your family.

I'm just confused because I would likely make a different decision. However, I had already decided that we would never use DVC points for an exchange due to the costs and complications involved. So, I understand your initial point.

 

[Caskbill]

That's correct but renting an II exchange was exactly the issue in question on this thread.

Yes, and DVC will allow a member with an II exchange to 'rent' those points to someone else, and DVC will change the registration to the new person who 'bought' the points.

 

[Dean]

Yes, and DVC will allow a member with an II exchange to 'rent' those points to someone else, and DVC will change the registration to the new person who 'bought' the points.

I do not believe that is accurate Bill if we are on the same page. My reference is to renting an II exchange that a DVC members gets and can't use as in the OP. Once the exchange is done, the points are gone and this is an exchange and no longer a points issue. The only thing the points apply to then is the inbound exchange that someone gets through II. I posted above the info from the DVC II paperwork which clearly prohibits renting an exchange. One can get a guest certificate and one certainly could rent something on the sly but that is the only way to change the name on an outbound II exchange once it is completed. The OP was incorrectly told they could rent it by an ill informed MS person.

 

[Slakk]

I do not believe that is accurate Bill if we are on the same page. My reference is to renting an II exchange that a DVC members gets and can't use as in the OP. Once the exchange is done, the points are gone and this is an exchange and no longer a points issue. The only thing the points apply to then is the inbound exchange that someone gets through II. I posted above the info from the DVC II paperwork which clearly prohibits renting an exchange. One can get a guest certificate and one certainly could rent something on the sly but that is the only way to change the name on an outbound II exchange once it is completed. The OP was incorrectly told they could rent it by an ill informed MS person.

I asked THREE people from DVC and all told me it was fine...me I trust Dean more

 

[Slakk]

I've just read through this thread and have a few thoughts...

First, I completely respect your decision to not take your DS out of school. (Btw, kudos to him for being at grade level despite significant challenges.)

Second, I understand that you are making decisions that are right for your family and that your goal in posting here was to remind people that trades are not as flexible as we'd like them to be.

Third, I am confused by your seeming unwillingness to try doing something with the points. If there is only 1 thing that you want (spring break, HHI), that's fine. It doesn't exist now, that's fine. But, there are computerized waitlist systems. What would you lose by putting in an ongoing request for what you want? Even if there's only a 1% chance of getting it, you wouldn't lose anything by leaving the request open.

I also understand the concern about liability if you donated it and something went wrong. But, if I had points I was going to lose, I can think of numerous family members or church friends who could never afford this kind of week who would be thrilled to receive it and would treat it as a wonderful gift worthy of treasuring.

These are just my thoughts and I don't think you should necessarily listen to me--I don't know you or your family.

I'm just confused because I would likely make a different decision. However, I had already decided that we would never use DVC points for an exchange due to the costs and complications involved. So, I understand your initial point.

Honestly no one in my family *gets* timeshares - I asked them and no one wants it - they act as if they are being put out or there is a catch to it. This is part of my frustration - I cannot even GIVE the stupid thing away...it is like it has the plague LOL!

As for going on a waiting list - the problem is that I cannot get HHI with a studio so there really is nothing that I want - the only good thing that has come of it for us is that we have decided to not buy anymore DVC points (we just sold 100 and are down to a paltry 200) and are buying a Marriott resale so we can alternate summer vacations.

I like the idea or II and trading but not the limitations I get when DVC is the middleman - so I am focusing on the positives,

 

[Dean]

I asked THREE people from DVC and all told me it was fine...me I trust Dean more

Even the people in the DVC II exchange section are relatively uninformed about II and exchanges overall including these type of II rules. I suspect rentals are done all the time, the problem with advertising it is II will act independently if they find out and there are those all too happy to turn you in. What DVC will often do is add a name to an existing reservation without a guest certificate, Marriott will often do this as well. And while that purpose may allow one to rent, it's still a risk. I'm all too familial that MOST systems have rules, then there is reality. My goal in these areas is simply to make sure one has all the information.

 

[Debbie & Bill]

I don't now if your trying to get a different use for your self by exchanging Ko Olina through II for the future. We just toured the new Starwood by Disney. They have studio that's more like a one bedroom here the link http://www.starwoodvacationownership.com/sheraton_vistana_villages/welcome.jsp

There seems to be no shortage exchanges anytime in Orlando. Hope this helps

 

[Dean]

I don't now if your trying to get a different use for your self by exchanging Ko Olina through II for the future. We just toured the new Starwood by Disney. They have studio that's more like a one bedroom here the link http://www.starwoodvacationownership.com/sheraton_vistana_villages/welcome.jsp

There seems to be no shortage exchanges anytime in Orlando. Hope this helps

Slakk had traded DVC FOR Ko'Olina then cancelled. DVC members cannot trade for Orlando.

Slakk, I mentioned it before. HBC is the only resort on HH with studios that is on the DVC II list. While not my first choice, it's still a nice option and you might consider it if you're that set on HH. Plus, as I mentioned before, while you cannot search for options that do not have a studio, it would not be uncommon for them to offer such options including 2 BR units at Marriott's there.

 

[Brian Noble]

the problem with advertising it is II will act independently if they find out and there are those all too happy to turn you in.

Precisely. For example, I personally know (in the online sense) a couple of DVC members that actively search redweek, ebay, etc. looking for full week DVCs for rent and calling II about them, just in case they were exchanges.

Their feeling is that such rentals under-cut their own rental businesses. The fact that those "businesses" aren't strictly allowed either seems to escape their attention, of course.

In any event, there are II members who assuredly do the same thing, because they don't want any non-members with access to exchange inventory.

 

[LSchrow]

OP~ while i realize the point you were making & that you the options listed are simply not viable for your situation, i want to thank you for posting anyway.
this is the first thread that explained trades somewhat clearly, without assuming a base knowledge. so while it might have not helped you personally, the discussion certainly has benefitted others, myself included

 

[Starr W.]

Precisely. For example, I personally know (in the online sense) a couple of DVC members that actively search redweek, ebay, etc. looking for full week DVCs for rent and calling II about them, just in case they were exchanges.

Their feeling is that such rentals under-cut their own rental businesses. The fact that those "businesses" aren't strictly allowed either seems to escape their attention, of course.

In any event, there are II members who assuredly do the same thing, because they don't want any non-members with access to exchange inventory.

Why does that not surprise me. I saw in a recent thread on TUG, that II does look at rentals on ebay to see if they are an exchange.

 

[Slakk]

OP~ while i realize the point you were making & that you the options listed are simply not viable for your situation, i want to thank you for posting anyway.
this is the first thread that explained trades somewhat clearly, without assuming a base knowledge. so while it might have not helped you personally, the discussion certainly has benefitted others, myself included

No problem - the reason I posted was so people could see the other side. If I helped one person than I am happy

 

[littlestar]

Slakk,

Many of us on this board have at least one other timeshare in addition to DVC, and many of us enjoy trading through II.

However, based upon what you've written in this thread, I'm not sure you'd be any happier with conventional II trades than with II trades through DVC's World Passport Collection.

Successful trades into desirable resorts at desirable travel times require planning, patience, flexibility, and a certain amount of luck. And if you have to cancel a trade you'll face the same issues that you're facing if your cancelled trade into Ko Olina. (By the way, trading into Ko Olina is an excellent achievement for someone who is not a Marriott owner.)

As Dean has often described, there are genuine differences if you're trading directly with II as an II member (Getaways, Accommodation Certificates, trading up or down in size, FlexChange, and so one). But, fundamentally, you're still dependent upon what owners (or resort systems) deposit with II. There's serious competition from other owners at peak times, such as spring break and other weeks when children are out of school. And there may be limited timeshare availability (or no timeshare resorts at all) in places you might want to visit.

I'm sorry that you have chosen to lose your points rather than to consider the many possible options within driving distance of where you live. It appears you want an II exchange into a studio at Hilton Head -- or nothing at all. Hilton Head has great timeshare resorts, but the accommodations are typically 2-bedroom villas without lock-off capability.

Excellent post.

If a person is tied to a strict school schedule with no wiggle room, buying a II timeshare to trade is not the answer. Paying cash would be better for someone that has limited flexibility.

 

[Starr W.]

Excellent post.

If a person is tied to a strict school schedule with no wiggle room, buying a II timeshare to trade is not the answer. Paying cash would be better for someone that has limited flexibility.

I think you also need to be flexible, realistic, and patient to trade II. We had requests for this summer(unmatched) that our dates were no longer going to work. So thought about when we could go(also how easy to get to) and then looked at what was available. We managed to get the Marriott Summit Watch out in Park City in June.

I did see one of my weeks at one of the resorts I was requesting pop up this weekend. I think you need to have the nerves of a gambler too.

 

[littlestar]

I think you need to have the nerves of a gambler too.

Like the Kenny Rogers song about the gambler "know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em.