How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[sunshinehighway]

Yes, the death chant blew me away. In 1970 President Nixon declared a man was guilty. Not comparing Wilson to Manson. News outlets went crazy because a person in the US is innocent until proven guilty.
Suspicious timing that he would say this with a smirk on his face the night before the grand jury meets.



Watch Fox, For the past couple of days, they've been showing the video like crazy. You can hear the bystander confirming that Brown bum rushed Wilson.



Looked up Gateway Pundit:
Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.



Even if the police officer is innocent in a trial if one happens, he can't live in Ferguson. If Wilson is found innocent, that little piece of work Johnson will have a lot to answer for because his story caused a lot of this grief.

Also, if no bill is found or if Wilson is found innocent in a trial, then maybe the press will realize that, in the US, people are innocent until proven guilty. In the Zimmerman case, it was the same thing. They were convicted in the press before there was a hearing much less a trial. Guess what, white officers do sometimes have to shoot blacks, black officers have to shoot whites, white officers shoot whites and black officers shoot blacks.

Maybe none of this would have happened if a convenience store was not robbed or if 2 young men had not been blocking traffic by walking the middle of the street, or if they had gotten on the sidewalk when the officer asked them to do that. They would not have drawn attention to themselves and the officer might have driven down the street and never noticed them.

Confirmed by who in the St. Louis County Police? Where's the official statement on it? It was confirmed that he was treated for a face injury. There's been no specifics on the extent of that injury.
The next paragraph of that quote makes me think their confirmation is the PD statement that he was treated for a swollen face.

.Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

The St. Louis County Police told reporters after the shooting that the police officer involved suffered facial injuries. He “was hit” and the “side of his face was swollen.”

If they had a statement from the PD confirming a fracture, they'd be using that statement instead of one just saying swollen face.

 

[Disneychick75]

Confirmed by who in the St. Louis County Police? Where's the official statement on it? It was confirmed that he was treated for a face injury. There's been no specifics on the extent of that injury.
The next paragraph of that quote makes me think their confirmation is the PD statement that he was treated for a swollen face.



If they had a statement from the PD confirming a fracture, they'd be using that statement instead of one just saying swollen face.

You expect a journalist to reveal sources?

 

[sunshinehighway]

You expect a journalist to reveal sources?

I do if they are saying their information has been confirmed by the police department. A legit journalist would be clear that their source is anonymous and not from an official police statement.

 

[pioneer89]

You expect a journalist to reveal sources?

Can anyone think of a good reason for the police to officially withhold this type of information? Is this something that would normally not be released while the incident was still being investigated?

An injury of this type would certainly bolster the Officer's story. Unless it was incurred during the incident, but not directly because of any assault. (Like striking the door when exiting the car, ext.)

 

[Disneychick75]

Can anyone think of a good reason for the police to officially withhold this type of information? Is this something that would normally not be released while the incident was still being investigated?

An injury of this type would certainly bolster the Officer's story. Unless it was incurred during the incident, but not directly because of any assault. (Like striking the door when exiting the car, ext.)

People speak on the condition of anonymity all the time. Journalists have chosen to go to jail rather than reveal source.

 

[SAMCRO]

Jason Riley is black by the way. Relates to this situation perfectly.


Wall Street Journal editorial board member Jason Riley said today on “Special Report” that it was “nonsense” for Obama to attribute black criminality like the riots happening in Ferguson to poverty and a racist justice system.

“The black crime rate in 1960 was lower than it is today. Was there less racism or less poverty” in the 60s, Riley asked.

“This is about black behavior. It needs to be addressed head-on. It’s about attitudes toward the criminal justice system in these neighborhoods, where young black men have no sense of what it means to be a male or to be black.”

And Obama “needs to talk about that head-on, not dismiss it as a product of poverty or racism–which is a dodge,” Riley added.

He also criticized “the hustlers” Al Sharpton and MSNBC analyst Michael Eric Dyson’s suggestion that black males have to live in fear of being beaten, arrested, or shot by cops.

“I know something about growing up black and male in the inner-city,” he said. “And it’s not that hard to avoid getting shot by the cops. They pull you over, you answer their questions, you’re on your way

 

[sam_gordon]

I do if they are saying their information has been confirmed by the police department. A legit journalist would be clear that their source is anonymous and not from an official police statement.

Isn't that exactly what happened? The "journalist" said they got their information from a source inside the Prosecuting Attorney's office.

 

[pioneer89]

People speak on the condition of anonymity all the time. Journalists have chosen to go to jail rather than reveal source.

I know.

I'm asking why would anyone have to speak anonymously on this? Is it something not normally released to the public?

 

[sunshinehighway]

Isn't that exactly what happened? The "journalist" said they got their information from a source inside the Prosecuting Attorney's office.

Its not exactly what it says. It says it was confirmed by the St. Louis County PD..not a source in the PD. Here's the quote again.

. Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

The St. Louis County Police told reporters after the shooting that the police officer involved suffered facial injuries. He “was hit” and the “side of his face was swollen.”

Its misleading. Clearly at least one person here is under the impression that this information is true and the police department has confirmed it. The PD has said nothing on it but Officer Wilson was treated for a swollen face. Its a huge leap to take that and say it means they confirmed an orbital fracture.

 

[Flamingeaux]

Watch Fox, For the past couple of days, they've been showing the video like crazy. You can hear the bystander confirming that Brown bum rushed Wilson.

for a bigger laugh watch MSNBC

 

[sam_gordon]

Its not exactly what it says. It says it was confirmed by the St. Louis County PD..not a source in the PD. Here's the quote again.



Its misleading. Clearly at least one person here is under the impression that this information is true and the police department has confirmed it. The PD has said nothing on it but Officer Wilson was treated for a swollen face. Its a huge leap to take that and say it means they confirmed an orbital fracture.

OK, I haven't been following this case with the magnifying glass others here have, but just because it wasn't announced in a press release/news conference doesn't mean PD hasn't "confirmed it".

Reporter hears from a source in the Prosecutors office that Wilson had a broken eye socket.
The reporter calls their source in the PD and says "I've heard this, can you confirm?" The PD source says "yes". That's how you get the first paragraph.

The second paragraph is what the PD has told reporters as a group.

I'm not saying the information is true or false, just that reporters might get information from the PD that is NOT available to the media as a whole.

 

[Disneychick75]

Its not exactly what it says. It says it was confirmed by the St. Louis County PD..not a source in the PD. Here's the quote again.



Its misleading. Clearly at least one person here is under the impression that this information is true and the police department has confirmed it. The PD has said nothing on it but Officer Wilson was treated for a swollen face. Its a huge leap to take that and say it means they confirmed an orbital fracture.

Anyone who watches the news or reads newspapers or magazines knows that anonymous sources are used all the time. Why it's unacceptable in this case, I don't know.

for a bigger laugh watch MSNBC

I watch all of them.

 

[Tuffcookie]

Can anyone think of a good reason for the police to officially withhold this type of information? Is this something that would normally not be released while the incident was still being investigated?

An injury of this type would certainly bolster the Officer's story. Unless it was incurred during the incident, but not directly because of any assault. (Like striking the door when exiting the car, ext.)

I work in the civilian side of law enforcement. If there are medical reports to back up the officer's side of the story, that would be classified as evidence and not privy to the public until a trial.


TC

 

[sunshinehighway]

Anyone who watches the news or reads newspapers or magazines knows that anonymous sources are used all the time. Why it's unacceptable in this case, I don't know.



I watch all of them.

So you'd be fine with some site with an obvious pro Brown slant reporting something as confirmed fact based only on an anonymous source?
They can report it if they want but that doesn't make the information true. If you want to form an opinion based on that, go right ahead but remember there's just as much chance of it being false as there is that it's true.

 

[Flamingeaux]

I watch all of them.

Did you see Spike on CNN last night? I guess the jig is up, Spike has a copy of the white police coverup playbook.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I work in the civilian side of law enforcement. If there are medical reports to back up the officer's side of the story, that would be classified as evidence and not privy to the public until a trial.


TC

Out of curiosity, would the PD discuss what is in those reports to the media? Would they comment either way on information a reporter received from an anonymous source?

 

[pioneer89]

I work in the civilian side of law enforcement. If there are medical reports to back up the officer's side of the story, that would be classified as evidence and not privy to the public until a trial.


TC

Thanks!

I feel I was fooled badly (by "the media") at the start of the whole Zimmerman/Martin thing, and any information that doesn't have a well defined "who, what, where, when" attached to it needs to be scrutinized.

I've seen what has happened in this case referred to as being "Trayvon'd". People believe the first thing they hear, make a judgement, and then anything that comes along later, or cleares up initial confusion is flatly ignored.

 

[sunshinehighway]

OK, I haven't been following this case with the magnifying glass others here have, but just because it wasn't announced in a press release/news conference doesn't mean PD hasn't "confirmed it".

Reporter hears from a source in the Prosecutors office that Wilson had a broken eye socket.
The reporter calls their source in the PD and says "I've heard this, can you confirm?" The PD source says "yes". That's how you get the first paragraph.

The second paragraph is what the PD has told reporters as a group.

I'm not saying the information is true or false, just that reporters might get information from the PD that is NOT available to the media as a whole.

In this case because its so high profile, the police probably wouldn't be confirming information in that way. They are most likely trying to keep tight control on what is released to the public. Also, with it being so high profile, other media outlets would be jumping on this information by now.

 

[Tuffcookie]

Out of curiosity, would the PD discuss what is in those reports to the media? Would they comment either way on information a reporter received from an anonymous source?

Our dept. has a media spokesperson, as I'm sure is the case in most depts. Only that person is authorized to release statements to the media. They have to be very guarded in what they say, as to not jeopardize any legal proceedings.

TC

 

[Gumbo4x4]

In the end, the officer's injuries or lack thereof aren't really important.



Did Brown attempt to peacefully surrender?
Or, did Brown attempt to rush the officer?