How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[OceanAnnie]

If the fractures are true, and it very well could be I think it should be an inditement to media outlets. If one source can find and report this information others could too. The media outlets have been putting out unverified info and wild speculation in a certain way since the case came to light. Very one sided.

Even if the info is few and far between regarding the police officer, the handling, verbiage has had an air of guilt. They could find the officer's home address, but no detailed info on his injuries?

If you want the truth, you seek info. from both sides. And you don't inflame.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

If the fractures are true, and it very well could be I think it should be an inditement to media outlets. If one source can find and report this information others could too. The media outlets have been putting out unverified info and wild speculation in a certain way since the case came to light. Very one sided.

Even if the info is few and far between regarding the police officer, the handling, verbiage has had an air of guilt. They could find the officer's home address, but no detailed info on his injuries?

If you want the truth, you seek info. from both sides. And you don't inflame.

IF they seek the truth. That's the catch.

 

[sunshinehighway]

If the fractures are true, and it very well could be I think it should be an inditement to media outlets. If one source can find and report this information others could too. The media outlets have been putting out unverified info and wild speculation in a certain way since the case came to light. Very one sided.

Even if the info is few and far between regarding the police officer, the handling, verbiage has had an air of guilt. They could find the officer's home address, but no detailed info on his injuries?

If you want the truth, you seek info. from both sides. And you don't inflame.

I look at it a different way. The information about fractures is coming from anonymous sources . If there's nothing else but some random anonymous source then it shouldn't be reported until there something else to back it up. Until there is, its just a rumor and reporting rumors does no good.

 

[OceanAnnie]

IF they seek the truth. That's the catch.

Yeah. Disturbing.

I have asked before, what if the police officer is innocent? It's not out of the realm of possibilities. Where does all this rage and hostility go? I've heard news people banter about that there is so much more to the rage and hostility than this case. I believe this is very true. I think in many ways yes it is about injustice (real and perceived) but on many levels. We don't know the full case involving Michael Brown.

But I think the mobs are raging against the machine.

I heard a figure the other day that the black youth unemployment is at 50% (I haven't verified that, anyone that wants it verified is welcome to do so) . I don't think it's far fetched. In Oct. 2013 it was at 36%.

"The black youth unemployment rate for ages 16-19 is 393% higher than the national unemployment rate, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)." -- CNN, Nov. 2013

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/unemployment-among-black-youth-393-higher-national-rate

Dismal picture.

 

[sam_gordon]

I look at it a different way. The information about fractures is coming from anonymous sources . If there's nothing else but some random anonymous source then it shouldn't be reported until there something else to back it up. Until there is, its just a rumor and reporting rumors does no good.

Here's a question... wouldn't Wilson's injuries (whatever the extent) be covered under HIPPA (or HIPAA, I can never remember)? So there is no "formal" information.

Just a thought.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Here's a question... wouldn't Wilson's injuries (whatever the extent) be covered under HIPPA (or HIPAA, I can never remember)? So there is no "formal" information.

Just a thought.

I don't know. I'd think he could give permission for the information to be released. If he did that I'd expect it to be released in some more official way than anonymous sources talking to a website with a clear point of view.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Here's a question... wouldn't Wilson's injuries (whatever the extent) be covered under HIPPA (or HIPAA, I can never remember)? So there is no "formal" information.

Just a thought.

Just means the hospital cannot release it. The investigation is going to have to and legally can do so (whenever they finally see fit.). In fairness to Mike Brown--they cannot just take the officer's word for it. It is going to have to be part of the public record.


In other rumour news--came across something that says Dorian Johnsom recanted and validated the claim of Mike Brown attacking the officer.

Even if that claim were to be true, I don't see what benefit it would be to Dorian to do that. In fact, going against the public belief could and would be very bad for him in that community.

If it were true, I would hope he would be honest about it--but it doesn't even seem plausible to me given the whole snitches get stitches meme.

No links as they all quote the same "source" and are all politically leaning sites. But if you google Dorian Johnson recant--you will get some links.

If it isn't true, I see no reason they are floating this rumor.

 

[LisaInNc]

Yeah. Disturbing.



"The black youth unemployment rate for ages 16-19 is 393% higher than the national unemployment rate, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)." -- CNN, Nov. 2013

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/unemployment-among-black-youth-393-higher-national-rate

Dismal picture.

Who are you blaming for it? The government or their upbringing, their lifestyle and their environment? Or their own character????

Lisa

 

[OceanAnnie]

Who are you blaming for it? The government or their upbringing, their lifestyle and their environment.

Lisa

I'm not blaming anyone. I just gave the figures. I think there are many reasons for the unemployment figure being so high. There isn't any one answer. IMO:

1.) There are certain programs designed to help that actually eliminate aspirations and the desire to reach one's potential.

2.) Lack of role models in the family and in the community. Youth need successful role models that are a light to follow in relationships such as family and business.

Just my opinion, but those are a good place to start.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Just means the hospital cannot release it. The investigation is going to have to and legally can do so (whenever they finally see fit.). In fairness to Mike Brown--they cannot just take the officer's word for it. It is going to have to be part of the public record.


In other rumour news--came across something that says Dorian Johnsom recanted and validated the claim of Mike Brown attacking the officer.

Even if that claim were to be true, I don't see what benefit it would be to Dorian to do that. In fact, going against the public belief could and would be very bad for him in that community.

If it were true, I would hope he would be honest about it--but it doesn't even seem plausible to me given the whole snitches get stitches meme.

No links as they all quote the same "source" and are all politically leaning sites. But if you google Dorian Johnson recant--you will get some links.

If it isn't true, I see no reason they are floating this rumor.

They put out these rumors to get people on their sites and hope they will keep going back. It's also what their readers want.
Look how many posts in this thread alone have stated the officer had a fracture. It all goes back to that one site. Even people who don't agree with their slant probably at least checked out the information and that led them to the site.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Who are you blaming for it? The government or their upbringing, their lifestyle and their environment? Or their own character????

Lisa

I think she is just pointing out that it is a crappy and dismal picture as it stands now.

I'm not sure how it gets better.


But, mentioning again--Mike Brown was starting vocational college the following week. He, for a time--was trying not be part of that statistic.

But, given he was stealing (as evidenced by the evidence and confirmed by Dorian Johnson)--who can predict if he would have fallen to be part of that statistic.. No crystal ball.


As far as character, our character is heavily influenced by our upbringing and life's circumstances. If that influence is bad, some do rise above, but not many.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I'm not blaming anyone. I just gave the figures. I think there are many reasons for the unemployment figure being so high. There isn't any one answer. IMO:

1.) There are certain programs designed to help that actually eliminate aspirations and the desire to reach one's potential.

2.) Lack of role models in the family and in the community. Youth need successful role models that are a light to follow in relationships such as family and business.

Just my opinion, but those are a good place to start.

There was a good post a few pages back and why there are less qualified black applicants in the community for law enforcement. It was about how young black men are more likely to be prosecuted for crimes than young men of other races and how that ends up limiting their prospects as far as scholarships, jobs, etc. It made a lot of sense.

 

[OceanAnnie]

There was a good post a few pages back and why there are less qualified black applicants in the community for law enforcement. It was about how young black men are more likely to be prosecuted for crimes than young men of other races and how that ends up limiting their prospects as far as scholarships, jobs, etc. It made a lot of sense.

Just my opinion, but I think even if the applicants were qualified few would apply. There is a very deep distrust of police in some communities and it has a ripple effect. The communities wouldn't like a police officer in their midst for a lot of reasons (hampers criminal activity --good for some not for others, us vs them mentality --- switching sides, etc.). Who wants to be an outsider in their own community? They could be putting their lives at risk by joining. Staying away is understandable.

Additionally, crime unfortunately pays. The choice many have is selling drugs for a premium or flipping burgers for minimum wage. That's not much of a choice even though the consequences are high.

Certain communities are a den of criminal activity. That's just a fact. Then you overlay the ramifications of that reality and it isn't pretty for anyone. It's hard on the residents because police suspect everyone at some point I imagine. There is a code of no snitching. Physical violence on both sides law/criminals. It's a tough place to be. Either side. In fact it sounds a lot like a living hell especially for the residents that want out and can't leave for financial reasons.

I guess my point in all of this is it's a vicious cycle with many contributing factors.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

There was a good post a few pages back and why there are less qualified black applicants in the community for law enforcement. It was about how young black men are more likely to be prosecuted for crimes than young men of other races and how that ends up limiting their prospects as far as scholarships, jobs, etc. It made a lot of sense.

As it applies to the police force, there is no desire to become an officer when you've been told your whole life that the police can't be trusted.


As it applies to the general situation, it's just a broken cycle.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

As it applies to the police force, there is no desire to become an officer when you've been told your whole life that the police can't be trusted.


As it applies to the general situation, it's just a broken cycle.

And within that community, at least--there seems to be no end.

The only thing I can think of is out of area recruitment and incentives.

My sister works for city government on Missouri. A criterion of employment is living within city limits. If this is the case for Ferguson, then they would have to provide relocation. This gets quite expensive.

But it would be the only way to resolve it, assuming the police force stays in tact as is.

 

[TLSnell1981]

As for the video--I watched the link. That seems to be the video with the guys talking about what they saw and what happened. It does not match the narrative, so it will see little airtime on main stream media. Unfortunately as a piece of evidence, it is just a statement and doesn't show the actual shooting. If it had showed the actual shooting, it would be more valid. It is also just audio.

Hopefully these witnesses had their statements taken.

The eyewitness account is strait forward with no prejudice. No one knew, the conversation was being recorded. It's probably the most truthful statement , that we've heard.


Sadly, this isn't about truth or Michael Brown. The narrative changes daily. Unfortunately, the family has no idea how badly, they're being used.

 

[AnAmericanInDisney]

The Ferguson riots remind me of the Cincinnati riots in 2001. After those riots, the police were under a microscope. The downtown area where the riots occurred became very dangerous:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riots_of_2001

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The eyewitness account is strait forward with no prejudice. No one knew, the conversation was being recorded. It's probably the most truthful statement , that we've heard.


Sadly, this isn't about truth or Michael Brown. The narrative changes daily. Unfortunately, the family has no idea how badly, they're being used.

It is--but from a legal point of view, it is nothing more than a statement. (*because the video doesn't show the event they are describing.) I would hope that an official statement was taken from the people on the tape.

 

[Jedana]

And within that community, at least--there seems to be no end.

The only thing I can think of is out of area recruitment and incentives.

My sister works for city government on Missouri. A criterion of employment is living within city limits. If this is the case for Ferguson, then they would have to provide relocation. This gets quite expensive.

But it would be the only way to resolve it, assuming the police force stays in tact as is.

This situation has now tainted the police. Would you want to be an officer in this town? Would you want to be a WHITE officer in this town? I can't see many people who would take on the task of repairing the damage to the community.

I think the best course of action would be to disband the force as it stands, and move to the county police.

 

[Disneychick75]

I have never felt more angry over a story as I have felt about this one. This is far worse than the Trayvon Martin case. This was a police officer doing his job. I know they have strong evidence in favor of the officer and they don't know how to handle it. They have jobs to protect, votes to secure. I could not believe a rally by a black panther calling for the death of Officer Wilson. Has the world gone crazy???? I know I am not the only one feeling this way. I hope every white officer will ask for a transfer out of Ferguson and any area with a high black population. I have no words I can use on this forum for the Governor of Missouri. I have to turn my tv off and walk away from this because the injustice is unbelievable.

Yes, the death chant blew me away. In 1970 President Nixon declared a man was guilty. Not comparing Wilson to Manson. News outlets went crazy because a person in the US is innocent until proven guilty.
Suspicious timing that he would say this with a smirk on his face the night before the grand jury meets.

If that is true, why hasn't it been reported by the media? And why hasn't this other video been talked about more by the bigger news outlets? http://fox2now.com/2014/08/19/new-video-evidence-may-offer-a-different-account-of-mike-browns-death/

Watch Fox, For the past couple of days, they've been showing the video like crazy. You can hear the bystander confirming that Brown bum rushed Wilson.

The Gateway Pundit is the only source. Other sites reporting it are using that site as their source.

Looked up Gateway Pundit:
Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

Yeah. Disturbing.

I have asked before, what if the police officer is innocent? It's not out of the realm of possibilities. Where does all this rage and hostility go? I've heard news people banter about that there is so much more to the rage and hostility than this case. I believe this is very true. I think in many ways yes it is about injustice (real and perceived) but on many levels. We don't know the full case involving Michael Brown.

But I think the mobs are raging against the machine.

I heard a figure the other day that the black youth unemployment is at 50% (I haven't verified that, anyone that wants it verified is welcome to do so) . I don't think it's far fetched. In Oct. 2013 it was at 36%.

"The black youth unemployment rate for ages 16-19 is 393% higher than the national unemployment rate, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)." -- CNN, Nov. 2013

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/unemployment-among-black-youth-393-higher-national-rate

Dismal picture.

Even if the police officer is innocent in a trial if one happens, he can't live in Ferguson. If Wilson is found innocent, that little piece of work Johnson will have a lot to answer for because his story caused a lot of this grief.

Also, if no bill is found or if Wilson is found innocent in a trial, then maybe the press will realize that, in the US, people are innocent until proven guilty. In the Zimmerman case, it was the same thing. They were convicted in the press before there was a hearing much less a trial. Guess what, white officers do sometimes have to shoot blacks, black officers have to shoot whites, white officers shoot whites and black officers shoot blacks.

Maybe none of this would have happened if a convenience store was not robbed or if 2 young men had not been blocking traffic by walking the middle of the street, or if they had gotten on the sidewalk when the officer asked them to do that. They would not have drawn attention to themselves and the officer might have driven down the street and never noticed them.