How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[beno44]

Didn't read much of the thread as it's so long.... but my initial response to this mess is that if the parents, such as the one on TV ripping the police over this incident, would take more responsibility raising their children and less expecting others to do it, we wouldn't have these problems... Instead she is on CNN ripping the police because they shot her thug kid.. Look in the mirror before assigning blame..

 

[robinb]

I just peeked at Twitter. #handsupdontshoot is not in reaction to yesterday's "murder by cop". It is a form of peaceful protest.

 

[Shutterbug]

This has reminded me in a way of the May 4th shootings on the Kent State Campus. There were many peaceful protesters but there were also outside groups that came into the area to purposely make violence.

 

[Disneychick75]

Was that local news? All I heard was swollen face. I did google after the post about a fracture but all I got was the that one website being used as a source by other sites which clearly lean a certain way.

Fractures cause swelling.

It is another of those things that has become an unfortunate cycle. Black youth are more likely to be arrested than white youth, and more likely to be convicted when charged with the same offenses. This is especially true in poor communities and inner cities. The record of that offense then limits their prospects for the rest of their lives, makes it difficult for them to get out of the negative situations they grew up in (the effect of drug charges on college aid is a little-discussed aspect of our failed "war on drugs" that slams shut the path out of poverty for many young people), and makes it difficult for police depts and other agencies working in the inner cities to recruit from the population they serve.

It is unfortunate. Hopefully, Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who is overseeing the Ferguson protests and is from the same section of Ferguson where Brown was shot, might become a role model to show kids that you can break the cycle.

I just peeked at Twitter. #handsupdontshoot is not in reaction to yesterday's "murder by cop". It is a form of peaceful protest.

Yes, from everything I've seen, "Hands Up, don't shoot" has been the slogan of peaceful protesters.

 

[Disneychick75]

Grand Jury begins hearings on Wednesday.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...0e203c-2757-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html

 

[nooneshome]

Tell me what is not feasible about this.(That means believable)

It is feasible but who is going to stop running after being shot at and go after the shooter??? I think it is safe to say that most people would keep running, stop or "serpentine Sheldon"

 

[Viva Las Disney]

It does make me curious about how the community has been handled by police leading up to all of this. Clearly there is a great divide there. Taking the troublemakers out of the equation for a minute, the community is frustrated, angry and just fed up.

I think the anger was already there and Michael Brown was the straw that broke the camels back.

It is unfortunate. Hopefully, Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who is overseeing the Ferguson protests and is from the same section of Ferguson where Brown was shot, might become a role model to show kids that you can break the cycle.

I hope so, I've been very impressed with how passionate he's been and the way he's handling the situation. He's had some stumbles but overall I think he's done a great job. Someone earlier mentioned respect brings respect and that is what I like so much about Capt Johnson, he is talking to and treating everyone with respect and I think that has a diffusing affect on the tension.

 

[CPT Tripss]

This has reminded me in a way of the May 4th shootings on the Kent State Campus. There were many peaceful protesters but there were also outside groups that came into the area to purposely make violence.

Did you like that piece in The Spectator? So of course the outside agitators caused the National Guard unit to march itself into a corner and then forced them to shoot and kill unarmed students.

 

[rickybobby]

It is feasible but who is going to stop running after being shot at and go after the shooter??? I think it is safe to say that most people would keep running, stop or "serpentine Sheldon"

In my scenario, the suspect is running away, but it is soon apparent that he cannot run very fast or long due to being a pretty overweight guy, and the fact that he is shot. He then turns in a rage because he knows he will not get away, and fight or flight turns into fight, thinking "hey this guy is a cop. He will certainly not shoot me again. I still think I can take him".

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Did you like that piece in The Spectator? So of course the outside agitators caused the National Guard unit to march itself into a corner and then forced them to shoot and kill unarmed students.

There has been no proof that there was any justification for opening fire.




That said, there were a LOT of very antagonistic people involved in that shooting. I've listened to interviews from the survivors & one of the wounded in particular comes off like a perfect candidate for "suicide by cop" even now all these years later.

Again, not justifying the shooting, but it wasn't a peaceful protest.

 

[rickybobby]

If the locals march again tonight, to me that makes them culpable, as the police cannot really tell the troublemakers from the peaceful marchers, gets kind of scrambled.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

With information at the speed of Twitter (paired with limited characters to get your information across) I wouldn't be surprised if those people were not aware that the man charged the officers with a knife.

Will it even matter?

Even in this thread are many who seem to believe that no officer should ever be permitted to use any weapon that exceeds the lethality of the weapon used against him

 

[OurBigTrip]

Didn't read much of the thread as it's so long.... but my initial response to this mess is that if the parents, such as the one on TV ripping the police over this incident, would take more responsibility raising their children and less expecting others to do it, we wouldn't have these problems... Instead she is on CNN ripping the police because they shot her thug kid.. Look in the mirror before assigning blame..

Based on the video from the store, I agree that Michael Brown was a thug. Shoplifting is one thing - assaulting a much smaller person is something else entirely.

However, it's a never a guarantee that our kids will turn out the way we expect them to based on how we raise them, and there comes a point when it's no longer the parents fault for the way their children behave.

As for Michael Brown's mother wanting Officer Wilson to hang high, she is one of only two people in this episode that I personally would absolutely give a pass to not caring about wanting the entire truth to come out, no matter what it might be. The other is his father.

I'm not going to judge or second guess the feelings of a mother that watched her dead son lie on the pavement for four hours, or that is still waiting to bury him. She's lost her child, her baby. She is entitled to whatever feelings of she chooses, to believe whatever she wants to believe, whether the facts bear those opinions out or not.

 

[robinb]

Will it even matter?

Even in this thread are many who seem to believe that no officer should ever be permitted to use any weapon that exceeds the lethality of the weapon used against him

Name one Gumbo.

 

[Shutterbug]

Did you like that piece in The Spectator?

I don't know what piece you are talking about. My info comes from actually living in the immediate area.

So of course the outside agitators caused the National Guard unit to march itself into a corner and then forced them to shoot and kill unarmed students.

Again I don't know what you are getting at with that?

I simply said whats happening in Ferguson with the protest reminded me of Kent State. You have peaceful protesters in Ferguson, just like there were at Kent State. Now you also have outside forces possibly instigating more violence in Ferguson, just as at Kent State, where the ROTC building was burned down as protestors threw rocks at policeman and firemen responding.

I never said anything talking about the actual shooting. So again I don't know where that came from in your posts.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Name one Gumbo.

I'm not wading back through, but there have been numerous comments about no excuse ever for shooting an unarmed man, shoot to wound, shoot once & wait, etc.

 

[robinb]

I'm not wading back through, but there have been numerous comments about no excuse ever for shooting an unarmed man, shoot to wound, shoot once & wait, etc.

I don't appreciate you painting posters on this thread with a broad brush when you are unwilling to back up your statement. In addition, these general comments you responded with do not have any bearing on the report of the man who was shot by police yesterday. He was armed with a knife and, according to the report I read, was within 4 feet of the officers when they finally shot him. Clearly he was a threat.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I don't appreciate you painting posters on this thread with a broad brush when you are unwilling to back up your statement.

He didn't paint with a broad brush - he said many, not all.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I don't appreciate you painting posters on this thread with a broad brush when you are unwilling to back up your statement. In addition, these general comments you responded with do not have any bearing on the report of the man who was shot by police yesterday. He was armed with a knife and, according to the report I read, was within 4 feet of the officers when they finally shot him. Clearly he was a threat.

If you have time, you go look. It's hard enough typing on a phone much less going back to look for comments from a couple days ago. The comments are there. If you don't know that already, you certainly have missed a pretty good chunk of this thread. Go back to post 1 & start reading. By the time you get here, you'll see some examples. Specifically look for the comments on military training.

 

[Disneychick75]

Al Sharpton will deliver eulogy at Michael Brown's funeral.
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Michael-Brown-funeral-arrangements-made-271884911.html