How do you safely mark CD's or DVD's?

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Hi! I been lurking around on the photography board since it opened on the DIS. First off, amazing pictures! I can't wait to save enough money for a digital SLR and get rid of my konica minolta P&S! lol

So many helpful tips my head is spinning! :teeth:

There is one tip I have not run across just yet.
What is the safest way to label or mark a CD or DVD.
Does it really matter? Would a sharpie do? Should I splurge a little and buy
those label makers? Basically I am looking for something cost effective and safe. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance!
 
I have used a sharpie to write on them and haven't seen any ill effects as of yet. Although I have heard that is not a good idea. I also label the volume when I am burning them so I can always check it that way. These are what I do while away from home, here at home I use the CD/DVD labels and print them on my printer.
 
Sharpie has some pens that are specifically for marking CD/DVD. They are not always easy to find but the office supply stores sometimes have them. The markers come in all the standard Sharpie colors and seem to work just like the standard Sharpie.

Supposedly the difference is a softer tip and different ink formula.


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No matter HOW you mark a CD or DVD...

.... i've held the presumption that the durability is far less then I hoped. I had 2 CDsdelaminate partially making a CD partially unreadable. In one case it was bad handling - and in the other it was reasonably well handled and stored. GIving rise to severe concerns over the safety of my image collection.

Thus concerned - I searched for info on CD/ DVD durability. I found 2 articles of interest. Here's the entire content of one article:

DISC LONGEVITY

How many times can a CD-RW disc be rewritten?
As is the case with all optical storage media using phase change technology there is a limit to the number of times the recording layer in a CD-RW disc can be reliably switched between its crystalline and amorphous states. Currently, CD-RW discs can be rewritten approximately 1000 times.

What is the shelf life of unrecorded CD-R and CD-RW discs?
The unrecorded shelf life of a CD-R or CD-RW disc is conservatively estimated to be between 5 and 10 years.

How long will data recorded on CD-R and CD-RW discs remain readable?
The life span of a written disc depends upon a number of factors including such things as the intrinsic properties of the materials used in the disc’s construction, its manufactured quality, how well it is recorded and its physical handing and storage. As a result, the life span of a recorded disc is extremely difficult to estimate reliably. However, to calculate disc life spans within some practical timeframe blank media manufacturers do conduct accelerated age testing by subjecting samples of their discs to environments much beyond those experienced under normal storage conditions. Generally speaking, only the effects of varying temperature and humidity are considered. These test results are then used to predict how long a disc will remain readable under more normal storage conditions. Since questionable testing and measurement procedures can seriously impact upon and compromise these estimates several international standards have been developed which specify procedures to be used conducting accelerated testing and analyzing the resulting data from prerecorded (pressed) and recordable CDs:

ISO 18921:2002, Imaging materials — Compact discs (CD-ROM) — method for estimating the life expectancy based on the effects of temperature and relative humidity

ISO 18927:2002, Imaging materials — Recordable compact disc systems — method for estimating the life expectancy based on the effects of temperature and relative humidity

For years now many media manufacturers have performed their own lifetime evaluations using these or a variety of other homegrown tests and mathematical modeling techniques. Historically, manufacturers have claimed life-spans ranging from 50 to 200 years for CD-R discs and 20 to 100 years for CD-RW. Be aware, however, that disc producers, manufacturing methods and materials change over time as do applications and cost imperatives. Consequently, those concerned with disc longevity should consult the appropriate international standards and their media manufacturer for more particular information.

It is important to remember, however, that nothing lasts forever and that technologies inevitably change. Well-designed products, such as CD-R and CD-RW, allow for seamless transition to the next generation and ultimately, since they embody digital information, contents can be transferred to future storage systems as becomes necessary to preserve whatever has been stored on the discs.

And another source - community policed Wikupedia quotes....

Wikipedia said:
At present, stated CD-R lifetimes are only estimates based on accelerated aging tests as the technology has not been in existence long enough to verify the upper range. With proper care it is thought that CD-Rs should be readable one thousand times or more and have a shelf life of several hundred years. Unfortunately, some common practices can reduce shelf life to only one or two years. Therefore, it is important to handle and store CD-Rs properly if you wish to read them more than a year or so later.

Burned CD-Rs suffer from material degradation, just like most writeable media. Optical discs commonly used for burning, such CD-R and CD-RW have a recording surface consisting of a layer of dye that can be modified by heat to store data. The degradation process can result in the data "shifting" on the surface and thus becoming unreadable to the laser beam.

Recommended care and storage practices for archival CD-Rs include:

Store vertically in jewel cases or slim-line cases, one disc to a spindle. Archival cases use a ridged ring which grips the disc and prevents the recording surface from touching the surface of the case.
Avoid bending the disc. To remove a CD-R from a jewel case, press down on the hub while gently gripping the edges of the disc; you should be able to simply lift the disk out of the case.
Always hold a CD-R by lightly gripping the edges of the disc. Try to avoid getting fingerprints on the data side of the disc.
Store in a cool, dry place. Optimal temperature range is 5-20°C (41-68°F). Optimal relative humidity range is 30-50%. These values should not be allowed to change rapidly.
Avoid direct sunlight. Sunlight can heat a jewel case and indirectly thermally stress the disc itself. Direct UV radiation on either side of the disc itself can degrade the dye layer in a CD-R. On the other hand, smaller doses of X-ray radiation, from airport screening for example, and magnetism should not affect a CD-R.
If possible, use only a felt-tip water-based marker to mark the label side of the CD-R. The best place to label a CD-R is the clear inner part near the center. Alcohol-based markers are thought to be less harmful than xylene or toluene-based markers. Typical permanent markers are xylene or toluene based and should never be used to label optical media. Many vendors sell marking pens which are safe to use to label optical storage media. Paper labels should be applied to the outside of the jewel case, not to the label side of the CD-R itself. Over time, solvents in the paper, adhesives and inks can all degrade the disc. Labels applied unevenly to the disc can also cause the CD-R to wobble in high speed players potentially causing read errors and/or destroying the player!
Avoid scratching either side of a CD-R. Perhaps counterintuitively even minor scratches on the label side can damage a disc, as the layer of plastic between the label side and the reflective layer is much thinner than the other side. Because CD-Rs use error-correcting codes, minor scratches on the data side should not render the disc unreadable, unless there are many of them close together. Deep scratches on the data side can interfere with the focus of the laser and render a disc unreadable. Scratches from rim to center are less harmful than concentric circular scratches. Writing on the label side of CD-R with a ballpoint pen can destroy it.
While not water proof, CD-Rs are not greatly affected by exposure to water unless they have inkjet printing on the label side. Water will cause any inkjet printing to run unless it is protected by an outer layer.
Use 650MB or 500MB CD-Rs. CD-Rs with capacities over 650MB achieve their higher capacities by reducing the track width below the minimum values specified in the CD standards, so their long term readability is less well tested.

I've noticed some manufacturers' are offerring gold foil CDs .. and today I noted they seem to claim a 300 year storage life for the data... I don't know what to make of that. I think I will start using these CDs though as the cost is reasonable and I care about using the best materials for saving my photo memories and data.

As a result of having storage concerns last year ... I decided to use an external HD in addition to having working CDs that is only used for storage of data. If is otherwise disconnected and itself stored most of the time. I know the lifespan of a HD is well documented - and most HD failures can be salvaged.... for a fee. External HDs are pretty cheap. I bought my 50 gig drive for $40 after rebate! And I've seen 300G HDs for about $150 or so. That's not bad IMHO! :rolleyes1

Hope this helped.
 
Disneyfan_77 said:
Hi! I been lurking around on the photography board since it opened on the DIS. First off, amazing pictures! I can't wait to save enough money for a digital SLR and get rid of my konica minolta P&S! lol

So many helpful tips my head is spinning! :teeth:

There is one tip I have not run across just yet.
What is the safest way to label or mark a CD or DVD.
Does it really matter? Would a sharpie do? Should I splurge a little and buy
those label makers? Basically I am looking for something cost effective and safe. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance!

if you have a microcenter store in your area they have dvd light scribe burners for $49. you actually burn the label on the dvd/cd. the actual dvds are about $1 a piece right now but probably will go down in price ( and hold almost 5 gb of stuff). we needed a new one anyway so i picked one up and hubby installed it but now can't the old floppy drive ( never used btw) out of the setup... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: why is it never easy...
 
On throw-away disks I usually use a standard Sharpie. However, I only use them on the "printable" style disks, which may have a thicker protective coating over the die than other disks.

On any disk which I plan to use for archival purposes, I use a gummed label. I'm partial to the Stomper brand, because of the bright white matte finish, but I have uses several other brands, including some of the really cheap no-names, and I have never had a CD-R fail or degrade on me in 7 years of burning them.

I do take some storage precautions, which I think may be even more important than the label choice. I keep all of my burned disks in an individual jewel case, and store the jewel cases in plastic drawers, in a cool and dry environment.
 
I have always felt that poor storage conditions cause 100 times more damage than a sharpie ever will, those CD/DVD disk markers are a marketing thing.
 
Anewman said:
I have always felt that poor storage conditions cause 100 times more damage than a sharpie ever will, those CD/DVD disk markers are a marketing thing.

You mean like the magnets I bought to place on my car's fuel lines for better mileage? ;)


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