How are we not more outraged about these shootings?

[TLSnell1981]

I've been asked for ID several times when stopped. I've never been asked to get out of my vehicle.

I have...ALWAYS. maybe, you live in a safer town?

 

[lizabu]

How do you know for sure he didn't have a record?

All of the news outlets searched the Minnesota’s criminal record database and found that he had no criminal record however he had a number of traffic violations. They say he was pulled over at least once per month.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Yup. You can get a gun basically....always. The NRA and their moneybin have seen to that.

The FBI can deny any buyer for up to 3 days during which they can build a case and try to get a permanent denial. If they fail, they can still reach out to the retailer & recommend a "no sell". And any retailer can deny a sale to anyone. But, if the FBI doesn't do THEIR JOB, it's the "NRA's fault".

BTW, the NRA endorsed a bill in the senate that would have made the 3 day delay automatic for anyone on the no-fly list. But, the opposition voted it down because they didn't believe it went far enough. Naturally, that will be falsely reported in the mainstream as the "NRA refusing to give an inch".

BTW, I'm not an NRA member & the above info is readily available from such hard-right sources as MSNBC & Yahoo.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Leave it to people here to try spinning traffic violations as a criminal record.

No clue.... Im not saying he was a bad guy at all. I'm also not saying the cop was right or wrong. I'm just saying we should wait for the facts instead of lynching the cop like the old west.

MG

Like you waited for the facts here? It's weird because it really looks like you did the opposite. Reading this post, it seems as if you took the fact that he was license to carry and every news outlet reporting on his lack of a criminal record to jump to a conclusion that makes no sense.

I agree with some of this actually....
What I don't understand is how someone with a criminal record has a right to carry. I guess that depends on the record...??

You also have to realize the cop probably called in his plate and had all info, including his record and license to carry, prior to approaching the vehicle.

MG

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Leave it to people here to try spinning traffic violations as a criminal record.


Like you waited for the facts here? It's weird because it really looks like you did the opposite. Reading this post, it seems as if you took the fact that he was license to carry and every news outlet reporting on his lack of a criminal record to jump to a conclusion that makes no sense.

Not really sure what your talking about, but I'm always willing to listen.
I'm not sure where I jumped to any conclusions..??

MG

 

[asta]

All of the news outlets searched the Minnesota’s criminal record database and found that he had no criminal record however he had a number of traffic violations. They say he was pulled over at least once per month.

That is an extreme number of violations and indicates something wrong. It means absolutely nothing about why he was shot but I would hope that a drivers license could be suspended for someone with that kind of record.

 

[lizabu]

That is an extreme number of violations and indicates something wrong. It means absolutely nothing about why he was shot but I would hope that a drivers license could be suspended for someone with that kind of record.

You could view it that way or you could see it as driving while black is a real thing and enough to get you pulled over. Which is it? We will never know.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Actually, it was our founding fathers that saw to that.

And, even then, I think the "always" might be a bit of a stretch.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

You could view it that way or you could see it as driving while black is a real thing and enough to get you pulled over. Which is it? We will never know.

Or maybe it's both? Things are rarely "black & white" - even when it comes to black & white.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Is there a separate thread door the

I'm saying a prayer tonight for the 2 people lost in these incidents.

I'm also saying a prayer for the entire Dallas Police Department. What an awful day.

Is there a thread for 10 Dallas LEOs gunned down by snipers?

 

[mom2rtk]

Is there a separate thread door the

Dallas LEO gunned down by snipers?

Yes:

http://www.disboards.com/threads/2-...g-police-protest-rally.3525329/#post-56066835

 

[sunshinehighway]

That is an extreme number of violations and indicates something wrong. It means absolutely nothing about why he was shot but I would hope that a drivers license could be suspended for someone with that kind of record.

It is an extreme number.
Its being reported that there were a lot of minor tickets, seatbelt infraction, muffler.
This time he was pulled over for a taillight.
It doesn't look like he was being pulled over for reckless or dangerous driving.
Someone should look at what was going on there though. It's a crazy amount of times to be ticketed. I have to wonder what's going on there and if there's a problem with excessive ticketing used to generate revenue.

 

[StuckInKS]

This guy had a criminal record. Do we know for sure he had a license to carry? And if he did, why?

I agree with some of this actually....
What I don't understand is how someone with a criminal record has a right to carry. I guess that depends on the record...??

You also have to realize the cop probably called in his plate and had all info, including his record and license to carry, prior to approaching the vehicle.

MG

It is obvious to me that a lot of people are responding without even having a clue which story they are talking about. There are two different guys. The guy in the car did NOT have a criminal record and is the guy everyone is talking about having a permit. The guy with the criminal record did have a gun on him, but is NOT the guy that people are talking about having a permit (could have but who knows?) It is things like this that Americans do -- hearing about the story through word of mouth, combing multiple stories into one or not truly reading and comprehending a news story...ALL while rushing to judgement -- is what causes issues on BOTH sides.

Also - PHILANDO CASTILE DIDN'T HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD. I don't know why people seem to think he did (I mean, obviously I know why people want to believe that) but he didn't

Because they are not even clear on what story they are talking about.

 

[rickybobby]

Right, because nobody cares if it's 2 white people...really I don't either because that's not what it's about...it's about abuse of power and some really crappy people who are in positions that they shouldn't be in.

A perfect example of rushing to judgment by you.

 

[asta]

It is an extreme number.
Its being reported that there were a lot of minor tickets, seatbelt infraction, muffler.
This time he was pulled over for a taillight.
It doesn't look like he was being pulled over for reckless or dangerous driving.
Someone should look at what was going on there though. It's a crazy amount of times to be ticketed. I have to wonder what's going on there and if there's a problem with excessive ticketing used to generate revenue.

Exactly. This is a problem with either the police or the deceased. It is not normal to get this many tickets. Once again this should not have led to a shooting but it is strange.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

It is obvious to me that a lot of people are responding without even having a clue which story they are talking about. There are two different guys. The guy in the car did NOT have a criminal record and is the guy everyone is talking about having a permit. The guy with the criminal record did have a gun on him, but is NOT the guy that people are talking about having a permit (could have but who knows?) It is things like this that Americans do -- hearing about the story through word of mouth, combing multiple stories into one or not truly reading and comprehending a news story...ALL while rushing to judgement -- is what causes issues on BOTH sides.



Because they are not even clear on what story they are talking about.

Proves my point..... Wait for the facts.

MG

 

[JillianMarie]

Fact: Philandro Castile didn't have a criminal record. It would probably make everyone more comfortable if he did, but he didn't.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

It is an extreme number.
Its being reported that there were a lot of minor tickets, seatbelt infraction, muffler.
This time he was pulled over for a taillight.
It doesn't look like he was being pulled over for reckless or dangerous driving.
Someone should look at what was going on there though. It's a crazy amount of times to be ticketed. I have to wonder what's going on there and if there's a problem with excessive ticketing used to generate revenue.

Was he pulled over that many times, or ticketed that many times? (Honest question). I don't think it's terribly unusual for a guy with say a bad muffler to receive multiple warnings, but not necessarily multiple tickets.

 

[StuckInKS]

It is an extreme number.
Its being reported that there were a lot of minor tickets, seatbelt infraction, muffler.
This time he was pulled over for a taillight.
It doesn't look like he was being pulled over for reckless or dangerous driving.
Someone should look at what was going on there though. It's a crazy amount of times to be ticketed. I have to wonder what's going on there and if there's a problem with excessive ticketing used to generate revenue.

It sounds like he was targeted for a lot of infractions that a lot of people would not have been pulled over for. We are white but live in a high-minority area and at night the cops will find any reason to pull you over to run your info. We usually get off with a "warning" but that may not be how it goes for everyone.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Was he pulled over that many times, or ticketed that many times? (Honest question). I don't think it's terribly unusual for a guy with say a bad muffler to receive multiple warnings, but not necessarily multiple tickets.

It looks like that's how many times he was ticketed but I don't know.
Would there be a record if he was just pulled over and let off with a warning?