Houston's Astroworld music festival stampede - 8 confirmed dead

[mefordis]

I read tonight that T. Scott and Drake partied at Dave and Buster's after the concert. They knew full well what happened and simply did not care.

True, he did know. This concert goer gives her account and confirms people tried to get him to stop but he refused.

https://www.tiktok.com/@brook333lli...=astroworld festival was hell&t=1636587474142

 

[Julie's Haircut]

But, but, but.....the concert was supposedly streaming live......you can't stop a show and inconvenience those watching at home....

 

[Ning Ning]

Sorry, I have to interject on this one. My nephew and his friends - all in their 20s, so grown men size-wise - were on the opposite side of where everything was happening and didn't see a thing. The concert ended about the time that it was scheduled to end - it wasn't going to be an "until midnight or so concert". They walked out calmly, even having a casual conversation with other attendees, and got in their car and left. They never saw the ambulances on the streets. When they got to their hotel room and checked their phones, they found out what had happened. Now, yes, there was a lot of pushing and shoving, as what usually happens at these types of concerts, but they didn't experience anything out of the ordinary.

I questioned him at length because I wanted to make sure that none of them felt any strange effects, since there was talk at first of people being revived with Narcan and there was speculation that someone was going through the crowd injecting people. He said they all felt fine, with only some bumps and bruises from the crowd. I also wanted to make sure that none of them had witnessed people seizing or dying that could have caused them psychological trauma. I can't imagine what some of those kids witnessed.

Oh, and I believe the "ambulances" that were actually in the crowd were more of a golf cart type of vehicle, not your standard ambulance. Those were probably stationed outside the fenced-in area.

Just my observations - no flaming necessary.

 

[C&Jx2]

Sorry, I have to interject on this one. My nephew and his friends - all in their 20s, so grown men size-wise - were on the opposite side of where everything was happening and didn't see a thing. The concert ended about the time that it was scheduled to end - it wasn't going to be an "until midnight or so concert". They walked out calmly, even having a casual conversation with other attendees, and got in their car and left. They never saw the ambulances on the streets. When they got to their hotel room and checked their phones, they found out what had happened. Now, yes, there was a lot of pushing and shoving, as what usually happens at these types of concerts, but they didn't experience anything out of the ordinary.

I questioned him at length because I wanted to make sure that none of them felt any strange effects, since there was talk at first of people being revived with Narcan and there was speculation that someone was going through the crowd injecting people. He said they all felt fine, with only some bumps and bruises from the crowd. I also wanted to make sure that none of them had witnessed people seizing or dying that could have caused them psychological trauma. I can't imagine what some of those kids witnessed.

Oh, and I believe the "ambulances" that were actually in the crowd were more of a golf cart type of vehicle, not your standard ambulance. Those were probably stationed outside the fenced-in area.

Just my observations - no flaming necessary.

First off… I’m so happy they’re okay!

Second, there is video of different vantage points proving what was visible from where and what was not. MANY other people have first hand accounts.

I saw a full sized medical response vehicle in some videos as well. And those were trying to make their way through the crowd. There is video of the flashing lights IN the crowd.

Again… I’ve been tolots of shows like that and you can’t see what’s happening unless you’re taller than everyone and/or at a higher elevation.

 

[AustinTink]

Sorry, I have to interject on this one. My nephew and his friends - all in their 20s, so grown men size-wise - were on the opposite side of where everything was happening and didn't see a thing. The concert ended about the time that it was scheduled to end - it wasn't going to be an "until midnight or so concert". They walked out calmly, even having a casual conversation with other attendees, and got in their car and left. They never saw the ambulances on the streets. When they got to their hotel room and checked their phones, they found out what had happened. Now, yes, there was a lot of pushing and shoving, as what usually happens at these types of concerts, but they didn't experience anything out of the ordinary.

I questioned him at length because I wanted to make sure that none of them felt any strange effects, since there was talk at first of people being revived with Narcan and there was speculation that someone was going through the crowd injecting people. He said they all felt fine, with only some bumps and bruises from the crowd. I also wanted to make sure that none of them had witnessed people seizing or dying that could have caused them psychological trauma. I can't imagine what some of those kids witnessed.

Oh, and I believe the "ambulances" that were actually in the crowd were more of a golf cart type of vehicle, not your standard ambulance. Those were probably stationed outside the fenced-in area.

Just my observations - no flaming necessary.

They were very lucky and their parents should be very thankful they made it home alive.

 

[HopperFan]

First off… I’m so happy they’re okay!

Second, there is video of different vantage points proving what was visible from where and what was not. MANY other people have first hand accounts.

I saw a full sized medical response vehicle in some videos as well. And those were trying to make their way through the crowd. There is video of the flashing lights IN the crowd.

Again… I’ve been tolots of shows like that and you can’t see what’s happening unless you’re taller than everyone and/or at a higher elevation.

Yes plenty of photo/video showing ambulances IN the crowd in front of the stage. NO WAY anyone on the stage, on the production, security and camera lifts etc didn't see ambulance and lights right there. They ignored what was happening. It is reported he continued the concert for almost 40 minutes while medics, security and police responded in the crowd. 40 minutes.

Bottom line they are connected by ear pieces and the minute an ambulance was sent it, everyone involved with the show had to have been notified of a problem. Everyone it talking in the ear pieces during an event.

 

[lisaviolet]

He’s incited this behavior at other shows. I think he thrives on having that control.

A couple of years ago I watched his documentary. I was truly interested in hearing his life story, as I had read that many of his fans have said that his music - they felt - had saved their life.

It was beyond difficult to watch. I was really unsettled. His arrest at one concert was on film. I was dumbfounded by the energy that was unleashed. He did seem to thrive on having that control, like it was a badge of honour to push aggressively at boundaries. And that is lethal when dealing with crowds - and possible intoxication and drug use. So I don't understand how he is in shock how this could happen. His promotional material shows festival attendees jumping over barriers. Apparently he made twitter comments suggesting people get in any way possible (do not know the exact wording, in fairness)

Many performers/bands have intense energy. It is why live concerts are beloved - no matter the genre. But this seemed limitless, without any boundaries for safety.

I do think that this horrifying situation could have happened anywhere. Anywhere there are large crowds and confined space. As history has unfortunately proven. I have been at a celebration that became close to turning ugly due to crowd control (panic due to a gunshot). But regardless Scott has walked too dangerous of a line with it all, for too long. I absolutely hate that it is seen as a rap issue by some. Nonsense, it is his personal way - choice of being.

 

[lisaviolet]

Sorry, I have to interject on this one. My nephew and his friends - all in their 20s, so grown men size-wise - were on the opposite side of where everything was happening and didn't see a thing. The concert ended about the time that it was scheduled to end - it wasn't going to be an "until midnight or so concert". They walked out calmly, even having a casual conversation with other attendees, and got in their car and left. They never saw the ambulances on the streets. When they got to their hotel room and checked their phones, they found out what had happened. Now, yes, there was a lot of pushing and shoving, as what usually happens at these types of concerts, but they didn't experience anything out of the ordinary.

I questioned him at length because I wanted to make sure that none of them felt any strange effects, since there was talk at first of people being revived with Narcan and there was speculation that someone was going through the crowd injecting people. He said they all felt fine, with only some bumps and bruises from the crowd. I also wanted to make sure that none of them had witnessed people seizing or dying that could have caused them psychological trauma. I can't imagine what some of those kids witnessed.

Oh, and I believe the "ambulances" that were actually in the crowd were more of a golf cart type of vehicle, not your standard ambulance. Those were probably stationed outside the fenced-in area.

Just my observations - no flaming necessary.

Happy they are safe.

It does happen, completely different experiences.

I was at a celebration with thousands of people. A gunshot went off. Some people scrambled and started screaming "run" and it got crazy tight. Police in full gear were running full speed through the crowd after the fact, not far from the stage.

Many of the people on stage said later they had no clue of any gunshots, panicked people trying to escape or dozens of police running into the centre of the celebration. Nothing.

Nor did one half, or more, of the crowd.

They only realized when someone smartly came up on stage or got word and went to the microphone, calmly and firmly told the crowd to not scatter - stay in place, something had happened but all had been taken care of and everything was now fine. He did this in case more of the crowd got word of the panic and decided to bolt. It would not have ended well.

 

[AustinTink]

Happy they are safe.

It does happen, completely different experiences.

I was at a celebration with thousands of people. A gunshot went off. Some people scrambled and started screaming "run" and it got crazy tight. Police in full gear were running full speed through the crowd after the fact, not far from the stage.

Many of the people on stage said later they had no clue of any gunshots, panicked people trying to escape or dozens of police running into the centre of the celebration. Nothing.

Nor did one half, or more, of the crowd.

They only realized when someone smartly came up on stage or got word and went to the microphone, calmly and firmly told the crowd to not scatter - stay in place, something had happened but all had been taken care of and everything was now fine. He did this in case more of the crowd got word of the panic and decided to bolt. It would not have ended well.

It's true that it is possible other concert attendees were unaware and unfazed. But, it is still impossible to believe Scott was not told what was going on during the show and briefed as soon as he left the stage. The entire event is his creation and he is involved far more than just a performer.

 

[C&Jx2]

A couple of years ago I watched his documentary. I was truly interested in hearing his life story, as I had read that many of his fans have said that his music - they felt - had saved their life.

It was beyond difficult to watch. I was really unsettled. His arrest at one concert was on film. I was dumbfounded by the energy that was unleashed. He did seem to thrive on having that control, like it was a badge of honour to push aggressively at boundaries. And that is lethal when dealing with crowds - and possible intoxication and drug use. So I don't understand how he is in shock how this could happen. His promotional material shows festival attendees jumping over barriers. Apparently he made twitter comments suggesting people get in any way possible (do not know the exact wording, in fairness)

Many performers/bands have intense energy. It is why live concerts are beloved - no matter the genre. But this seemed limitless, without any boundaries for safety.

I do think that this horrifying situation could have happened anywhere. Anywhere there are large crowds and confined space. As history has unfortunately proven. I have been at a celebration that became close to turning ugly due to crowd control (panic due to a gunshot). But regardless Scott has walked too dangerous of a line with it all, for too long. I absolutely hate that it is seen as a rap issue by some. Nonsense, it is his personal way - choice of being.

I agree with everything you’ve written here. It’s absolutely not a rap issue. This show was doomed from the beginning. From promos to the initial stampede at opening… Terrible all around. I think his ego is bigger than he can control at this point and unfortunately, in my opinion, it got the better of him and played a big role in the tragedy.

 

[neverlandsky]

Watching the video of attendees entering the area before the concert even began reminded me of how Black Friday use to be and how deaths were associated with that. We were so beyond scared working that day. One year I had to hop on a counter and stand to escape getting squished bad. Yes ended up with bruises with several Black Friday events. Did Black Friday as a customer once and never again due to the madness. I know a lot of people get a rush and trill over it. Like these type of concerts.

Due to crowd control, companies over the years have changed how Black Friday is done with several events spread out and online shopping vs. one big event.

Me and DH would love to go to EDC. Yet no way no how. Even with all the security and medical tents available due to last deaths. We would definitely pay a live stream to see it.

Organizers including the Talent/Talents had every opportunity to cut the population of the crowd and live stream. Although they did live stream, they didn’t cut the crowd after Black Friday like behavior of gaining access to the venue. Despite several upfront warnings from Police.

It’s truly a series of unfortunate and tragic events. Ultimately the responsibility is upon Organizers, Talent/Talents despite what the crowd may or may not do. Travis Scott is also responsible for inciting and hyping up this Black Friday rush type of behavior. Woodstock was no more after 1999 which had 3 deaths, over 1200 admitted to medical, 44 arrests, and reports of sexual assault.

Travis Scott cancelled his appearance this weekend at Day N Vegas Festival.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Horrible things happen every day, that's not the part that showcases character or d*&$@#baggery, the thing that matters is what a human does in an awful situation. This entire situation is completely indefensible for all involved.

 

[CBMom01]

I’ve spent *cough* *cough* decades going to multiple concerts and festivals every year. I’ve also been in a few massive protest & rally crowds. As someone said - history is filled with stories like this: crowds have their own psychology and physics. Still, I hope this leads to regulatory reforms.

I keep singling Live Nation out because this is what they do: Big festivals and concert venues. They manage the crowd. Holding them in particular accountable will make a difference in the long run. Travis Scott as the scapegoat doesn’t really help anyone if Live Nation gets any sort of pass. If they can all be held accountable all the better.

Unfortunately, I do think lots of people will see this as a Hip Hop thing, or a Travis Scott thing, or ….other things that go along with those characterizations. But it’s not.

No joke, an old lady got caught in a crowd surge and shoved into me at a recent Jimmy Buffett concert because Live Nation mismanaged crowd control at the entrance and the show started while people were waiting to be let in. Jimmy Buffett had no idea of the situation at the gate, I’m sure.

People get hauled out of concerts all the time for various medical reasons. The promoters and groups managing the venue have to tell the on stage talent what’s going on. Someone standing at the side of the stage screaming at an artist would not have been heard by him personally in a venue that size.

 

[lisaviolet]

It's true that it is possible other concert attendees were unaware and unfazed. But, it is still impossible to believe Scott was not told what was going on during the show and briefed as soon as he left the stage. The entire event is his creation and he is involved far more than just a performer.

My response was in no way saying that Travis Scott did not see anything during his performance. I was simply replying to the PP about how chaos can be ensuing and many - in the crowd and even on stage - can not have a clue. Because I was at an event where that indeed did happen.

And my previous post clearly states that I believe Travis Scott's choices for years, and at and organizing this event, have led to this horrifying outcome.

(Although I do believe, and history has shown, it can happen anywhere there are large crowds.)

 

[lisaviolet]

Unfortunately, I do think lots of people will see this as a Hip Hop thing, or a Travis Scott thing, or ….other things that go along with those characterizations. But it’s not.

I do not believe this is about rap music. And I truly abhor some of the characterizations.

But Travis Scott, absolutely has responsibility - because of his choices during concerts over the years, his promotional material and some of his tweets. It could have only ended up in tragedy at some point.

Could it have happened anywhere in a large crowd - absolutely. Was it going to happen at a Travis Scott concert? We don't even have to guess. It already had before this concert. And it was bound to happen again.

 

[AustinTink]

I’ve spent *cough* *cough* decades going to multiple concerts and festivals every year. I’ve also been in a few massive protest & rally crowds. As someone said - history is filled with stories like this: crowds have their own psychology and physics. Still, I hope this leads to regulatory reforms.

I keep singling Live Nation out because this is what they do: Big festivals and concert venues. They manage the crowd. Holding them in particular accountable will make a difference in the long run. Travis Scott as the scapegoat doesn’t really help anyone if Live Nation gets any sort of pass. If they can all be held accountable all the better.

Unfortunately, I do think lots of people will see this as a Hip Hop thing, or a Travis Scott thing, or ….other things that go along with those characterizations. But it’s not.

No joke, an old lady got caught in a crowd surge and shoved into me at a recent Jimmy Buffett concert because Live Nation mismanaged crowd control at the entrance and the show started while people were waiting to be let in. Jimmy Buffett had no idea of the situation at the gate, I’m sure.

People get hauled out of concerts all the time for various medical reasons. The promoters and groups managing the venue have to tell the on stage talent what’s going on. Someone standing at the side of the stage screaming at an artist would not have been heard by him personally in a venue that size.

Speaking to the bolded part. I absolutely don't see this as a hip hop thing. I was at a Soundgarden concert in the 90's and had a chair thrown at my head. I know things happen at all kinds of concerts. I do see this as a Travis Scott thing. He has been inciting violence at his shows for years. It is documented and Scott was charged.

Live Nation will not get a pass. They will pay big time. The lawyers here in Austin have been all over the local news talking about the lawsuits. Live Nation is at the top of the list. They are the parent company of Scoremore. Scoremore actually ran the event. They will be paying out lots of money as well.

 

[CBMom01]

Could it have happened anywhere in a large crowd - absolutely. Was it going to happen at a Travis Scott concert? We don't even have to guess. It already had before this concert. And it was bound to happen again.

That’s actually a good point. I’ll admit that other than than the Lolla thing (which really was him getting the crowd stupidly riled up to jump barriers, which isn’t thaaaaat uncommon) I didn’t know his history.

Someone was going to get seriously hurt or killed at a TS show. It was a matter of time. And someone was going to get seriously hurt or killed at a Live Nation show. Also a matter of time. I guess this was predictable

 

[CBMom01]

Speaking to the bolded part. I absolutely don't see this as a hip hop thing. I was at a Soundgarden concert in the 90's and had a chair thrown at my head. I know things happen at all kinds of concerts. I do see this as a Travis Scott thing. He has been inciting violence at his shows for years. It is documented and Scott was charged.

Live Nation will not get a pass. They will pay big time. The lawyers here in Austin have been all over the local news talking about the lawsuits. Live Nation is at the top of the list. They are the parent company of Scoremore. Scoremore actually ran the event. They will be paying out lots of money as well.

One of the worst and …I’m sorry I can’t help it…funny things I ever saw at a show was during Soungarden at at Lolla 2 (yes. Im that old). There was kind of a pit of sorts on the walkway between the pavilion and the hill and people were diving off the hill into it. Suuuper dangerous. Great big obnoxious guy dives into the crowd, some people are knocked around but no one hurt bad. Obnoxious guy runs up onto the hill to dive again and the pit parted like the Red Sea. (Big guy stood up and hobbled away on his own power or I wouldn’t tell that story. )

 

[JimMIA]

To me, Travis Scott bears the bulk of the responsibility. He has an extensive history of inciting his crowds to do exactly what happened in this case -- he's even been criminally prosecuted for it at least twice.

Videos clearly show people climbing on the stage and onto TV platforms begging him to stop the show. One person even yelled "Someone is DEAD." Especially with his history of people getting injured at his concerts, he should have been more receptive and responsible.

It's impossible for him to not have seen ambulances forcing their way through the crowd -- also clearly shown in the videos.

There will probably be some shared responsibility with other involved parties, but this reminds me of the Alec Baldwin case. No matter what excuses people try to make for someone they admire, there is usually one person who bears a lot more responsibility than others.

Alec Baldwin and Travis Scott are those people, IMHO. I don't think anyone is going to jail in either case, but I think those guys bear most of the liability for these deaths.

 

[mylilnikita]

There is plenty of blame to go around:
But first place goes to crappy concert goers:

this is from earlier that day of idiots trampling others from the jump.