Horrible Disney news.....

[LeesyUD]

I'm done with this thread

 

[Kristi1357]

LeesyUD -

 

[Disney1fan2002]

so i guess it struck a nerve with the "maybe she made it up" about the Disney case.

I am sorry that this hits too close for comfort for you. But, I don't see where anyone is saying she made it up. I think, the people saying "Let's wait and see" are saying the news article they read was not giving us the true story, or the whole story.

I know for me, from what I read, I don't think it was a snatch and grab off the street. I get a sense from some of the quotes in the article, that she knews these boys, things got out of hand, she wanted it to stop and they didn't. They crossed the line to rape. They did rape her. I believe that part. What I don't believe is that she was snatched off the street and butally attacked.

I believe there are different degrees of rape. For a news article to make it sound like the public is in danger of these men, is wrong, if that is not what happened. Date rape is as traumatic for a victim as if she were raped by a stranger, but date rape does not put the public in any danger.

IMO. (going to get my suit now)

 

[Miss Jasmine]

As an update, the suspects have been suspended from their duties at WDW and authorities are waiting for DNA results.

 

[safetymom]

That is not unusual. Disney suspends people while they conduct an investigation. It isn't getting a lot of air play here in Orlando.

 

[tarmand]

I am sorry that this hits too close for comfort for you. But, I don't see where anyone is saying she made it up. I think, the people saying "Let's wait and see" are saying the news article they read was not giving us the true story, or the whole story.

I know for me, from what I read, I don't think it was a snatch and grab off the street. I get a sense from some of the quotes in the article, that she knews these boys, things got out of hand, she wanted it to stop and they didn't. They crossed the line to rape. They did rape her. I believe that part. What I don't believe is that she was snatched off the street and butally attacked.

I believe there are different degrees of rape. For a news article to make it sound like the public is in danger of these men, is wrong, if that is not what happened. Date rape is as traumatic for a victim as if she were raped by a stranger, but date rape does not put the public in any danger.

IMO. (going to get my suit now)

No flames from me. You expressed my feelings with words that I could have never come up with. I too believe that there are different degrees of rape. To me, someone being attacked by some random guy on the street is way different than someone who willingly went back to a guys apartment to fool around and then got upset when it went too far. I do believe it is rape if a woman says no at any point, but I wish more women wouldn't put themselves in that place to begin with. I am not judging these women as I have done really foolish things in life that just didn't turn out badly. So I guess I'm including myself in the category of doing something that I now know could have put me at horrible risk.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

That is not unusual. Disney suspends people while they conduct an investigation. It isn't getting a lot of air play here in Orlando.

It was on the news this morning, that's where I got the update.

And I know it's not unusual, I was just giving an update.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

No flames from me. You expressed my feelings with words that I could have never come up with. I too believe that there are different degrees of rape. To me, someone being attacked by some random guy on the street is way different than someone who willingly went back to a guys apartment to fool around and then got upset when it went too far. I do believe it is rape if a woman says no at any point, but I wish more women wouldn't put themselves in that place to begin with. I am not judging these women as I have done really foolish things in life that just didn't turn out badly. So I guess I'm including myself in the category of doing something that I now know could have put me at horrible risk.

I disagree. I do not believe there are different degrees. Rape is rape. Being violated is being violated whether you know the person or not. In fact in some ways, if it is a person you know, I think it's even more damaging because the victim IS going to blame herself.

Yes, sometimes woman do stupid things that put them at risk. It doesn't make that crime any less.

 

[cardaway]

As an update, the suspects have been suspended from their duties at WDW and authorities are waiting for DNA results.

Well that sucks because it amounts to the accused having their names released without any proof or conviction. A real problem with the system IMO.

They could very well be guilty but it's still wrong for things to happen the way they do.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Well that sucks because it amounts to the accused having their names released without any proof or conviction. A real problem with the system IMO.

They could very well be guilty but it's still wrong for things to happen the way they do.

Oh I see what you are saying, but this happens with most criminal investigations. And while the names may be floated in CM circles, it's not really public. No names have hit the news.

 

[cardaway]

Oh I see what you are saying, but this happens with most criminal investigations. And while the names may be floated in CM circles, it's not really public. No names have hit the news.

Sex crimes are quite unique in this regard, no valid comparison IMO. People's lives are ruined. Even assault or murder charges don't result in this kind of action based on unproven accusations.

As for the news, give them time.

 

[tarmand]

I disagree. I do not believe there are different degrees. Rape is rape. Being violated is being violated whether you know the person or not. In fact in some ways, if it is a person you know, I think it's even more damaging because the victim IS going to blame herself.

Yes, sometimes woman do stupid things that put them at risk. It doesn't make that crime any less.

While I see what you are saying, I still can't agree. I don't see someone being brutally raped by a stranger the same as someone being violated who was fooling around with a guy at his apartment and just before or even during intercourse yelling "No, stop". I think you have to understand that No means no, but it's pretty hard for me to compare the trauma of vicious rape to changing your mind after you've gone too far. Sometimes (note that I said sometimes, not all times) I think that date rape is a case of regret by a girl who went further than she'd planned.

 

[Aidensmom]

While I see what you are saying, I still can't agree. I don't see someone being brutally raped by a stranger the same as someone being violated who was fooling around with a guy at his apartment and just before or even during intercourse yelling "No, stop". I think you have to understand that No means no, but it's pretty hard for me to compare the trauma of vicious rape to changing your mind after you've gone too far. Sometimes (note that I said sometimes, not all times) I think that date rape is a case of regret by a girl who went further than she'd planned.

Apparantly you have never personally known someone who has been date raped. It is a true, traumatic experience that can take years of therapy to get over, if it is ever completely gotten over. Being on a date with someone and consentually "making out" does not imply any more than that. Never, under any circumstances. And while stranger rape my have its own unique traumas attached to it, so does date rape, as the issue of trust comes into play when it is someone you know.

Another poster implied that because the girl told them to stop several times, that it meant she must have willingly gone to the apartment. What? I don't think it would be too unusual for someone to be crying "Please, stop" if it was a stranger either. I don't get that correlation.

 

[Art Vandalay]

Putting oneself in a bad situation does not lessen a crime that is committed against one.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

While I see what you are saying, I still can't agree. I don't see someone being brutally raped by a stranger the same as someone being violated who was fooling around with a guy at his apartment and just before or even during intercourse yelling "No, stop". I think you have to understand that No means no, but it's pretty hard for me to compare the trauma of vicious rape to changing your mind after you've gone too far. Sometimes (note that I said sometimes, not all times) I think that date rape is a case of regret by a girl who went further than she'd planned.

Here is why most "date" rapes go unreported, and a woman is left to deal with the trauma on her own. It's really sad. Hold on and let me look at my calendar...yep it IS 2006. I was beginning to wonder.

And I agree with Aidensmom, each "type" of rape has its own set of traumas.

 

[phorsenuf]

I've been hesitant to joing this discussion, but I will....

I have to agree with the wait and see crowd. There was a similar situation here in Nh not too long ago. The girl said that 3 magazine salesmen (you know, the kids that go around) forced their way into her home and raped her. As time went on things just were not adding up, but of course these boys names were all over the papers. If I recall correctly (other New hampshirites help out here) they were convicted however it turns out she knew these boys and had invited them over and danced for them. I'm not sure of the rest of the details but it certainly didn't end up being the way the original story was told.
Now, I am in no way of taking these boys sides, however there was a whole lot more to this story than what met the eye.
All I can think of is what was this girl thinking??? Now I'm not blaming her for what happened, what happened should never had taken place, but really...what did she think was going to happen when you put on lingerie and dance for some guys?

And please don't think I think she "had it coming to her" because that is not true at all. I believe it started as consentual but then somewhere along the line it changed.

Anyone else here remember this case? Allie...you must have heard about it.

 

[piglet too]

Here is why most "date" rapes go unreported, and a woman is left to deal with the trauma on her own.

Yeah, it has been 16 years for someone close to me and she still suffers from it. She never reported it, and only myself and her DH know about it. She felt that no one would believe her since she put herself in the place she was. I knew someone who was raped by a stranger, and even she said that was easier for her to cope with then if it had been a friend. Each case is different, each victem deals and copes different, but please do not make a date rape out to be a lesser event than a stranger rape.

 

[d4est]

Rape is rape, just like an orange is an orange. Calling the crapper a toilet doesn't change what it is.

 

[tarmand]

Here is why most "date" rapes go unreported, and a woman is left to deal with the trauma on her own. It's really sad. Hold on and let me look at my calendar...yep it IS 2006. I was beginning to wonder.

And I agree with Aidensmom, each "type" of rape has its own set of traumas.

Well, apparently, I'm not in the year 2006 yet. I'm sorry that I don't agree with you guys, but I don't. If anything had ever happened to me during my moments of sheer stupidity and carelessness, I do think that I would have blamed myself as well as the offender. I think that in life I have to take responsibility for my actions and a couple of times in my life, I acted completely careless and am just lucky that nothing happened to me. And I don't just mean rape.

Here's a ficticious scenario. A female invites a guy that she likes over for dinner and answers the door wearing nothing but a pair of high heels. She seduces him and supplies the condem, but midway through the act, she has regrets and tells him to stop, but he doesn't. Is that more traumatic than her neighbor who is walking to her door in broad daylight and a man is hiding behind the bushes. He forces her into the house and rapes her as he holds a knife to her throat. How can both of these scenarios be considered the same degree of rape? According to most of the comments on this post, there is no difference and rape is rape. But in these two extreme scenarios, I don't believe it.

So, go ahead and roll your eyes at me, consider me and idiot, call me names....I don't care. I am only being honest about my take on the situation.

I am not insinuating that this is what happened in Florida and this girl may have been jumped for all I know. I'm just agreeing with the poster that said there are degrees of rape.

 

[jann1033]

Here is why most "date" rapes go unreported, and a woman is left to deal with the trauma on her own. It's really sad. Hold on and let me look at my calendar...yep it IS 2006. I was beginning to wonder.

And I agree with Aidensmom, each "type" of rape has its own set of traumas.

exactly...rape is an act of violence and yes there are serial rapists walking around who will" date" rape again and again because to many people assume "she was asking for it". just like someone is asking for it if they go to a mall after dark and get robbed, walk down a big city street and get mugged and that little kid playing in her yard asks for it when she get molested by some pervert...they are all crimes of violence and all victims,not anything else. the guy who raped my friend didn't see anything "wrong" with what he did either. as for the Disney case, even if she was not pulled off the street, since when did going to someone's apartment = asking for sex? if it has in some mind it is truly a sicker world than i thought.

tarmand...if the scene went off like that( naked and high heels )that might be one thing but really how often do you think that is the case. personally i think that is a big misconception...( edited this a little cause i had to put the baby to bed and missed some of the next comments, removed the eye roll as i mean t that as humorous and didn't want to be misconstrued)