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At the beginning of the debate he brought up the 's' word, though he can't argue it from fact, only his 100% positive personal experiences, and I slammed it down with different experiences and hard data, so he never actually says it anymore.

We debate everything in this way...including printing out studies and such, so please don't think this is a violent fight or anything. Just one of the few issues we have been unable to resolve. He can't convince me and I can't convince him.

Have you read The Well Adjusted Child or Dumbing Us Down? If your DH is a reader maybe you could get two copies and read them together each sharing your points and debating them. Both books are great!
 
We start school on Monday! :cool1: I am getting so excited. Tomorrow we are kicking things off with a visit to a bug festival in our city and then Monday we start our unit on butterflies. Our insect lore critters have built their chrysalises and now we are just waiting for them to hatch. Here we go! :hippie:
 
At the beginning of the debate he brought up the 's' word, though he can't argue it from fact, only his 100% positive personal experiences, and I slammed it down with different experiences and hard data, so he never actually says it anymore.

We debate everything in this way...including printing out studies and such, so please don't think this is a violent fight or anything. Just one of the few issues we have been unable to resolve. He can't convince me and I can't convince him.

Here is my take--

Your husband is so set on Public school, that until there is a problem, he will not let you pull your son out to try homeschool.

I suppose it might be true in the other direction as well.

My husband of his own free will signed us up for a homeschool convention and was fine after that. His concerns are making sure we are providing everything academically and no bad would come out of a "successful" homeschool. He does mandate standardized testing and my 4th grader has done this since K. She does splendidly.

Honestly-there are only a few reasons that those who are anti-homeschooling go to public school: status quo and fear. I am sure there are others, but I have found most resposnes I get from folks who question me and then provide their 2 cents of why public school is fine--puts it in both of those categories.

They do it out of habit and are afraid they could not handle it and would screw up their children for life.

I can see the crossroads that you are at, but I do wonder. What is the COMPELLING reason that your husband wants schooling. Thus far--he doesn't seem to have a logical argument against homeschooling.

I would not personally be able to deal with that. Thankfully my husband found that there isn't a logical argument against homeschooling.

Parents have the right to direct the education of their children. I just choose to not direct out of fear. (Yet if you ask a few people--they think I am "afraid" of something. Always fun to respond that I am no more afraid than they are.)
 
At the beginning of the debate he brought up the 's' word,.

This is the biggest myth in homeschooling.

I would ask him if he is still hanging around ___year olds in his day to day life. Point out your age differences if you have them.

How is one socializing sitting at a desk not able to speak to their classmates during class?

My brother and sister ALMOST went to a school where the children could not talk at lunchtime. I asked my mom several times if she heard correctly. She then proceeded to enroll them in a private catholic school with a military discount. She wasn't ready to send young children to a militant school.
 

Maybe see if you can convince your DH to let you try homeschooling for preschool and go from there. That's what we're doing. Neither DH nor I are totally convinced that homeschooling will be something long term (basically cause we're nervous about it) but we're trying it out now while she's 2/3/4. If it doesn't work out then we can send her to Kinder on time.

The only problem with this--you may convince yourself that you either...cant' get your child to stay interested long enough to do a curriculum, or you will feel a failure b/c you didnt' teach her enough.

I didn't do curriculum with any of my children until K and only then very loosely.

The toughest skill I have had to teach is reading--as it is truly a difficult concept when you think about it.

But outside of that, we have "tought" our children since birth. We moms ARE capable of teaching well into the school years and beyond. :goodvibes
 
Yeah, what we've been doing is basically homeschooling, and I have said to DH "Look at how much he knows and has learned already. We can do this. We ARE doing this".

He accuses me of putting my anti-school bias on to my son, and points out how he thrives in structured settings like TaeKwonDo and the Build and Grow Workshops at Lowe's, and might thrive in the structured school environment as well. I wish I could say DH is being ignorant or obstinate, but his arguments are well thought out, even though we disagree.

It is possible to "structure" a homeschool. It can be as relaxed or as regimented as you wish.

I have an ADHD child. We cannot be relaxed homeschoolers. We learn at her pace, but we are regimented. She has checklists, we sit down at the table to do school.

I know folks who start promptly at this time, break at this time, et cetera.

An extra-curricular activity is NOT structured like a public school in a box.

I remember walking through halls in first grade with my index finger perpendicular to my lips. That seemed a bit of overkill for structure IMHO.

I am not anti-public school. I think it is unfair for those who choose homeschooling to say that they are "anti-public school". It places us in a box and refuses to acknowledge homeschooling as a viable alternative.

The number one question I get asked is don't I believe the schools are good?

To me--it is irrelevant. We have the times, we have the means, we have the right. I shouldn't have to be "against" public school to choose homeschooling.

Some parents put their kids in dance, others take a more sports oriented track. Does it mean that one set of parents is against arts and the other is anti-sport. Not in all cases. So why would we presume that all parents who puts girls in soccer are anti-arts? We wouldn't. They have made a choice that works for their family based on the interests of the family.

I use the same logic for homeschooling. It works, my daughters are thriving and they have time to do other things they love.

To me--the statistics are unneeded except to shut people up who insist are defending their public school choices when I never questioned them for it. It's like they are intimidated or something. I cannot quite articlute what I mean. I keep to myself but it always seems I get pulled into this conversation:

"I don't see how you can do homeschooling. My child would never listen to me. That and the public school is so good."

"I don't know, it is just what works for our family."

"But don't you think your child is missing out on lots of things."

"Not really, we do lots of things."

"Yeah--but the schools are so good here, do you think you can measure up."

"My kids are doing fine."

"What about testing--how do you know?"

"As a matter of fact we do test. We don't teach to the test. I will actually tell my daughter to make it a game--and if she doesn't know something, skip it. She does very well on her tests."

"I don't know--I still don't think I could do it."

"Well, there are lots of resources that I use. Lots of information out there."

"yeah....but the public schools are so good."


I dare say--it often sounds like a cry for help--but not. And in other conversations you will here about the inappropriate things they learn from other children be it sex, attitude, or whatever.

Schools are needed b/c not everyone wants to homeschool and that's fine. But I wish those parents who do that would stop taking out their anxieties on me as though I am questioning their choices by virtue of making a different choice.
 
This is the biggest myth in homeschooling.

I would ask him if he is still hanging around ___year olds in his day to day life. Point out your age differences if you have them.

How is one socializing sitting at a desk not able to speak to their classmates during class?

My brother and sister ALMOST went to a school where the children could not talk at lunchtime. I asked my mom several times if she heard correctly. She then proceeded to enroll them in a private catholic school with a military discount. She wasn't ready to send young children to a militant school.

Our local public school is like this...as far as elementary...don't know about higher grades as we didn't stay that long. In the 1-3 grade building they had to be silent in lunch.....and the school that i grew up in....little town in the sticks.....started that a few years after I graduated. If the kids talked (elem) they turned the lights out on them!!!!!!!
 
How is one socializing sitting at a desk not able to speak to their classmates during class?

It kills me when people talk about how kids are not socialized when they are home schooled...Yes they are, they are just not socialized to a competitive, institutional setting!

Being a teacher I noticed that kids started to "lose their minds" and act like total nut balls at around 3rd grade. They get all competitive and just act silly. I did not think about it until just the other night, but I wonder if the kids begin to act that way as a result of their educational environment? At that point, they have been "drilled the rules" enough that they are ingrained in their brains and at that point school work starts to get harder and most parents and teachers start pressuring their kids to "be the best". It really makes me wonder...
 
It kills me when people talk about how kids are not socialized when they are home schooled...Yes they are, they are just not socialized to a competitive, institutional setting!

Being a teacher I noticed that kids started to "lose their minds" and act like total nut balls at around 3rd grade. They get all competitive and just act silly. I did not think about it until just the other night, but I wonder if the kids begin to act that way as a result of their educational environment? At that point, they have been "drilled the rules" enough that they are ingrained in their brains and at that point school work starts to get harder and most parents and teachers start pressuring their kids to "be the best". It really makes me wonder...

We are in yr 1 of HS & I am looking forward to DS being "his best" instead of trying to be "the best". I want him to stop comparing himself to everyone else & I'm working on getting DH to think the same way.
 
Thanks for all your input. I have brought up every single point mentioned here. I have no idea why DH is being so stubborn! It's really unusual too, as he usually trusts my research and/or agrees with me once I have presented my case if he can't logically refute it.

This seems to be more of an emotional conviction than an intellectual one with him, and those are the hardest to break through with people, in my experience. Anyway I kinda gather it is a combination of the status quo/weird issue, his personal, positive experiences in public school, and his sincere desire to do what's best for DS (he has been the primary caretaker)...maybe it's the whole unknown that scares him, as he has never personally known anyone who was homeschooled?

The socialization thing was a red herring, or excuse, or something that sounded reasonable to cover his true fear I am starting to think.

I'll keep trying, hopefully if I can pinpoint The Reason, or the main fear I can address it.
 
Thanks for all your input. I have brought up every single point mentioned here. I have no idea why DH is being so stubborn! It's really unusual too, as he usually trusts my research and/or agrees with me once I have presented my case if he can't logically refute it.

This seems to be more of an emotional conviction than an intellectual one with him, and those are the hardest to break through with people, in my experience. Anyway I kinda gather it is a combination of the status quo/weird issue, his personal, positive experiences in public school, and his sincere desire to do what's best for DS (he has been the primary caretaker)...maybe it's the whole unknown that scares him, as he has never personally known anyone who was homeschooled?

The socialization thing was a red herring, or excuse, or something that sounded reasonable to cover his true fear I am starting to think.

I'll keep trying, hopefully if I can pinpoint The Reason, or the main fear I can address it.

I taught in a public school for 11 yrs & watched it go down hill after my 4th year.

If DH thinks that public schools are still the great things that we went to, then he should volunteer as a substitute teacher. Most states only require that they have 15hrs of college to sub. Let him collect his own 1st hand information. Schools aren't like the ones we went too.

Highschool Musical is a movie.
 
My thoughts (as a homeschool dad) of why it can be tough on the father's to "get on board"

a) Visions of our own "good times" in school. I, for the most part, enjoyed school and had some amazing memories with my friends. I have to consciously remind myself of the "bad influences" I had and the way that public school has NOTICEABLY gotten worse that those good memories aren't worth it (in my opinion)

b) Competition. Many dads WANT to see their kids in competitive environments...playing recess...interacting all day. Even though your responses may be very good and valid, it is hard for a Dad to get past these feelings.

c) I know nothing about you or any of the other moms personally, but I think some hesitant Dads may question whether or not you can handle it. And of all their criticisms, it is the one that least likely will come out of their mouths. But, realize that it is "possible" that doubt has weight in their mind. If you think that is the case: either prove him wrong or confront him about it.


My pennies...
 
So, I agonized over which science to chose for my children this year (its our first year homeschooling). I ended up with Apologia, I feel that that is what we are supposed to do. But, so far, we've only covered one lesson. We've been learning about what interests us as we go. We got a new snake, so we had a lesson about snakes for science, snake art projects, snake books and poems. Today, the kids wanted to learn about carnivorous plants. We read about them, watched video about a new one discovered in the Phillipines that can eat rats :eek:, and they have been making paper venus flytraps including the flies. I don't know why I worried so much. Science is fun, especially when the kids follow their interests.
 
I got the Hands on Homeschooling curriculum today. It should work ok but I"m not wowed by it like I thought I would be. I'll use it but if I could do it again I wouldn't order it. It does have everything spelled out as far as a schedule but it doesn't seem (in the limited time I've looked it over) like it will be as "fun" as I thought.

She only included 5 worksheets for tracing and only a few patterns for some crafts. Everything is black and white.

It's going to take a lot more work on my part than I thought. OH well. I'll probably end up combining it with the Horizons I already have.
 
So, I agonized over which science to chose for my children this year (its our first year homeschooling). I ended up with Apologia, I feel that that is what we are supposed to do. But, so far, we've only covered one lesson. We've been learning about what interests us as we go. We got a new snake, so we had a lesson about snakes for science, snake art projects, snake books and poems. Today, the kids wanted to learn about carnivorous plants. We read about them, watched video about a new one discovered in the Phillipines that can eat rats :eek:, and they have been making paper venus flytraps including the flies. I don't know why I worried so much. Science is fun, especially when the kids follow their interests.

Science is a blast! But then when I taught I was a science teacher, so I am sure I am biased! :rolleyes1

If you have a hobby lobby near by they have carnivorous plant growing kits for under $5. :thumbsup2
 
I'm trying to catch up a bit here and haven't read every post re: the "socialization" issue and the dad, but it made me think of a friend of mine and her DH some years ago.... He was "hesitant" on their DS being hs'ed, citing lots of vague "social" reasons, and when it finally came out he stated "Well, he won't be invited to any birthday parties!".....:rotfl: I'm happy to report that their DS did end up hs'ing, and has, indeed, been invited to many, many parties!

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It kills me when people talk about how kids are not socialized when they are home schooled...Yes they are, they are just not socialized to a competitive, institutional setting
Nor are they socialized to follow the status quo and be a number in a box. When we go to the children's theater the big thing we notice is that the public school kids are really good at standing in a straight line and ours are really bad at it. Since even in WDW your line does not have to be straight, or single file, I am not too worried about that. ;)
I'm trying to catch up a bit here and haven't read every post re: the "socialization" issue and the dad, but it made me think of a friend of mine and her DH some years ago.... He was "hesitant" on their DS being hs'ed, citing lots of vague "social" reasons, and when it finally came out he stated "Well, he won't be invited to any birthday parties!".....:rotfl: I'm happy to report that their DS did end up hs'ing, and has, indeed, been invited to many, many parties!

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Too many parties!! What's fun though is that often at least two of my kids are invited to the parties if not all three of them. There is no artificial age barrier to deal with. We went camping with our homsechool group this last weekend and DS spent most of the time playing with a little boy who is 2 years younger than him. They didn't care how old the other one was, just that both of them had a shovel and a flashlight and they were ready to go treasure hunting!
We just received the tickets and a receipt. I expected some sort of Welcome or Explanation of the Event, but no. I didn't even get a ticket for the extra classes. I am not sure if they are on the park tickets or maybe you just need to be on a list.
Can I ask you a question about your tickets? What date range does it list them to be valid for? We are going in Jan and I had to make resort reservations. I gave my best guess for when the HD will be and took a gamble, but I know someone on here said there was like a three week window in which the tickets could be used. We will go regardless but I sure do hope my timing works out. It kills me that a company that is going back to being able to book dining 6 months out, won't confirm the Jan homeschool days until AFTER the Sept ones are done, giving people only 4 months to plan. That is nuts!
 
Can I ask you a question about your tickets? What date range does it list them to be valid for? We are going in Jan and I had to make resort reservations. I gave my best guess for when the HD will be and took a gamble, but I know someone on here said there was like a three week window in which the tickets could be used. We will go regardless but I sure do hope my timing works out. It kills me that a company that is going back to being able to book dining 6 months out, won't confirm the Jan homeschool days until AFTER the Sept ones are done, giving people only 4 months to plan. That is nuts!


DM3,
The tickets are good from 8/26 - 10/3 . It looks like they were issued on 8/26 and the event is 9/21 and 9/22 so it looks like you get 10 days after the event.
 
Thank you. I think I will be safe unless they decide to do the HD the week of Jan 11. That will be a very sad thing. I am pretty sure hte marathon is that weekend though and it seems silly that they would plan it for then. Fingers crossed.
 
Not sure if I am in the correct forum; however I am looking forward to homeschooling my son when the time comes. He is almost 2 right now. HOwever, I have a question.... what books would you recommend for teaching toddlers and consequently teaching me too? Or any book you found helpful during the "terrible twos".
 
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