Holiday rants

I was a grocery store manager for over 19 years and I never ever had a holiday week off. It was verboten in our company. I had Christmas Day off because we were closed but worked every other holiday. It is really not a family friendly business.
It's not a written policy but it has always been our practice to let whomever has vacation days to use, use them whenever they want. This often results in more than one person in my department being gone at the same time and as the Manager, I am expected to work, if necessary, to cover any shortfall. I end up working all summer every year and almost always between Christmas and New Year. No use lamenting it - that's just the way it is. :confused3
 
But even if the girl just flat out doesn't celebrate Christmas for example that would be like my sister-in-law's boyfriend who is Muslim expected to work on Christmas just because of that.

Well I mean it would be nice if the boyfriend offered to work Christmas though, if he doesn't celebrate the day wouldn't it?

I worked years ago with a Jewish man, he booked off every Christmas Day to go to the movies with his family. Great, I mean, he had seniority and good for him. But then I had to work every Christmas Day instead of celebrating it. Did it grate after a while? Yes. And then when his holidays rolled around (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur) he also expected to automatically get those too. I would have been considered a jerk to block him on those days to go see a movie.

Everywhere I have worked since, has not had a seniority system but people are adult enough to use common sense and defer to what is important to each other.
 
Well I mean it would be nice if the boyfriend offered to work Christmas though, if he doesn't celebrate the day wouldn't it?

I worked years ago with a Jewish man, he booked off every Christmas Day to go to the movies with his family. Great, I mean, he had seniority and good for him. But then I had to work every Christmas Day instead of celebrating it. Did it grate after a while? Yes. And then when his holidays rolled around (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur) he also expected to automatically get those too. I would have been considered a jerk to block him on those days to go see a movie.

Everywhere I have worked since, has not had a seniority system but people are adult enough to use common sense and defer to what is important to each other.
I think you could try and apply that to everything couldn't you? Nowhere in my comment did I say offer. I said expect. And consider that you're talking about someone's entire career not just a time.

Surely one realizes how poor that would come off to tell someone because of your religion and culture and ethnicity you should offer to work every year on every time a holiday pops up? No one should expect it based on those alone; if you want to of course go for it but expecting is different, at least to me. Morally that's literally the whole point of someone's complaint. Someone who doesn't have kids be shouldn't be expected to work xyz day just because of that, nor should single people be expected to work on Valentine's Day or whatever. He tends to spend Christmastime with his family in another city when he is able to get it off . Pretty sure the person whose comment launched the discussion mentioned the place of employment forgot the daughter would want to spend time with her family. I'd like to give him the same consideration the poster is asking her daughter to get, irrespective of his religion :)
 
Well I mean it would be nice if the boyfriend offered to work Christmas though, if he doesn't celebrate the day wouldn't it?

I worked years ago with a Jewish man, he booked off every Christmas Day to go to the movies with his family. Great, I mean, he had seniority and good for him. But then I had to work every Christmas Day instead of celebrating it. Did it grate after a while? Yes. And then when his holidays rolled around (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur) he also expected to automatically get those too. I would have been considered a jerk to block him on those days to go see a movie.

Everywhere I have worked since, has not had a seniority system but people are adult enough to use common sense and defer to what is important to each other.

Our Jewish docs take call Christmas week every year. But when their holidays roll around no one else requests off. Give and take. Just adults being adults.
 

As a teen working with other teens they were easy. The adults were not. Someone said they are all mature until something happens they don't like, then that maturity quickly runs out. The day they want off and someone else has it off already and the claws come out, not every time, but it happens because someone says their reason is more important than someone else's (and sometimes you can actually talk about it and come to an agreement). I don't think someone is a jerk unless it's like that person someone described where they went out of their way that's a load of you know what for someone to do that, we all have reasons why we want a day off. It seems everyone is twisting themselves to come up with reasons why someone should or shouldn't get a day off. Didn't mean for that to happen when I said it's probably because she's new and to give it time.
 
We treated each other like members of a team everywhere I worked. Would never imagine sticking others with every undesirable shift.
I didn't mean you wouldn't be members of a team. What if these were days these other employees already asked off for in advanced? That wasn't information given. Maybe the daughter didn't ask off but maybe she wasn't able to because she was so new.

Maybe a solution was for the daughter to ask if anyone wanted to work those days (maybe the December 26th day or the 30th day which may have a greater chance of someone not minding working)?It might be too late now. If those don't work there is next year to see if a heads up asking off for some days in advance would work.
 
I think you could try and apply that to everything couldn't you? Nowhere in my comment did I say offer. I said expect. And consider that you're talking about someone's entire career not just a time.

Surely one realizes how poor that would come off to tell someone because of your religion and culture and ethnicity you should offer to work every year on every time a holiday pops up? No one should expect it based on those alone; if you want to of course go for it but expecting is different, at least to me. Morally that's literally the whole point of someone's complaint. Someone who doesn't have kids be shouldn't be expected to work xyz day just because of that, nor should single people be expected to work on Valentine's Day or whatever. He tends to spend Christmastime with his family in another city when he is able to get it off . Pretty sure the person whose comment launched the discussion mentioned the place of employment forgot the daughter would want to spend time with her family. I'd like to give him the same consideration the poster is asking her daughter to get, irrespective of his religion :)

I think the point was that the Jewish person should rotate taking off Christmas knowing that others would want to spend time with their families too. To take off every holiday, just because you can, when it means the same people will need to work them is a jerk move.
 
I think the point was that the Jewish person should rotate taking off Christmas knowing that others would want to spend time with their families too. To take off every holiday, just because you can, when it means the same people will need to work them is a jerk move.
Expecting someone to work OR for another person to have a day off because of xyz that I was speaking about and what was being described. Whether the guy is Jewish or not doesn't matter to me and I would rather not use such things as qualifiers (there would become endless choices anyways), it would be that the same person repeatedly got the same day off year after year when someone else has expressed interest in being able to have that day off as well that is the issue. I would agree that certain religions have unique factors to them that mean taking off work is a big impact but there are people who still work in the world during religious periods as a means of necessity.

The idea that you take days off just so someone else can't is a jerk move I agreed with that for sure. That's just a person being mean for the sake of being mean.

So it's not actually that I would disagree at all about rotating, I would just it not be on the basis of someone's religion but rather instead that you got that year off next year someone else can. The topic is a bit hard to discuss in full detail with the DIS and all but I do understand there can be a double standard that can end up happening with certain religions.
 
Expecting someone to work OR for another person to have a day off because of xyz that I was speaking about and what was being described. Whether the guy is Jewish or not doesn't matter to me and I would rather not use such things as qualifiers (there would become endless choices anyways), it would be that the same person repeatedly got the same day off year after year when someone else has expressed interest in being able to have that day off as well that is the issue. I would agree that certain religions have unique factors to them that mean taking off work is a big impact but there are people who still work in the world during religious periods as a means of necessity.

The idea that you take days off just so someone else can't is a jerk move I agreed with that for sure. That's just a person being mean for the sake of being mean.

So it's not actually that I would disagree at all about rotating, I would just it not be on the basis of someone's religion but rather instead that you got that year off next year someone else can. The topic is a bit hard to discuss in full detail with the DIS and all but I do understand there can be a double standard that can end up happening with certain religions.


Umm, that is exactly what we are all saying.
 
Umm, that is exactly what we are all saying.
Apologies, wasn't how it was coming off with all the added information about a Jewish person and Jeovahs Witness and religious observations of other holidays as if a person of a certain faith should not take off a day just because of that. It's just people taking the same day off year after year, whether it's Christmas or the 4th of July or Memorial Day. Either way done for the night enjoy your evening :) :)
 
Hearing "Happy Holidays" everywhere I go, as if saying "Merry Christmas" is taboo. If I say "Merry Christmas" and it offends someone, they can just ignore me. December 25th is Christmas Day, not Holiday.
And 12/10 starts Hanukkah & 12/26 is kwanza & winter solstice is 12/21 & 1/1 is New Years...so perhaps instead of it being a conspiracy against Christmas, ppl who don’t know you are saying happy holidays to make sure they cover all the possibilities in their greeting to you to br POLITE.

Which brings me to my rant...ppl who think what THEY celebrate is all there is to celebrate.
 
Holiday car commercials are crazy. Who buys their spouse a car for Christmas?

"Merry Christmas, sweetheart! I got you a car payment!"

Who’s to say it wasn’t a cash purchase?

Yeah, I dislike those Christmas car commercials too.
 
Who’s to say it wasn’t a cash purchase?

Yeah, I dislike those Christmas car commercials too.
You already know the answer to that question. I'm the one to say it wasn't because I'm the chosen one. :)


It wasn't a cash purchase. In fact, it's a commercial so it wasn't even a purchase. Just a fake made up nostalgic sappy scenario that doesn't exist in order to sucker us into purchasing where the vast majority would be, Merry Christmas honey. Here's a car payment. Heck. They even have one where the guy buys his and her expensive SUVS.

If they wanted to make an accurate commercial on how it might really work in the real world this is what the dialogue would be.
YOU BOUGHT ME A YELLOW CAR!!!
Yes but it was much less than ordering one in your.....
You take that right back and get me a blue one
But that will be a restockin.....
I don't care. I want a blue one. I hate yellow and you should have known that.
(note the dining room is painted yellow as is the bathroom)
Dad trudges back to the car.
5 hours and $8,000 (in today's dollars) later. Son, they say all men marry their mother. Make sure you're the first one that doesn't.

Never buy big ticket items without consulting your spouse. Just don't. Just don't. Just don't.
 
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