Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[Dolce27]

And Obama plays by the rules and Hillary bends them to try to get an advantage.

Fact:The ruling on Florida and Mich. was no delegates for either state.

No candidate hoping to win the WH is going to run on the idea of not seating two top ten states. Both candidates said they wanted to seat the states in some form. That goes against what the DNC ruled. Both are going to want to seat them in a way that benefits them the most. That is what a typical politician does.

I stated on the old Hillary thread that these two states would be seated and that Obama's only move, and what he would end up doing would be to call for them to be seated in some form. He did. That is 'against the rules that were established last year'. Do I think any less of him for this? For this, no. He has to do it as a politician trying to win the grand prize. Even though, once again, he agreed he wasn't going to count Fla and Mich. Counting them 50/50 or counting them at 1/2 a vote is counting them different than what the DNC ruled last year.

Exactly, I agree. Sadly, there are some people that are so illogical that you can’t explain logic to them. In their mind Hillary ‘broke the rules’ because she’s a conniving, desperate woman that will do anything to win the White House.

The only thing Hillary ‘broke the rules’ on was demanding that those delegates be seated, but, as you stated above, Obama has been right beside her on that stance recently - how is he any different?

If either candidate seriously “broke the rules” with either FL or MI, it was Obama for campaigning in FL.

 

[shortbun]

Guys, I came here to read this thread because I was curious about what you all were saying. My only observations are: where are all the positive Hillary comments AND are you sure you guys are democrats? I get the feeling that the Hillary supporters thread has been taken over by people who really NEVER would have supported her but are just here to bash Obama. I have many friends who are behind Hillary and NONE of them are well, anything like you all. They are true Democrats, excited by the chase, proud of the party, understanding of the process and may be disappointed at the final outcome but ready for the big fight. Peace.
Btw, if Hillary wins somehow, I'm campaigning for her. She's a wonderful person, great mind, would be a very POTUS. For the record, I'm for Obama because I think it's his time and I like what I see - balanced, levelheaded, gracious, wonderful representative of our country. We need healing. I think Obama will do just that if he's allowed and supported. Four years ago, I wanted someone other than Kerry. I'm a Democrat. I worked for him. I watched as the Rove machine beat him to a pulp. A year ago, I hoped that Hillary would be organized and strong in this primary season. She wasn't. Her campaigners made many big mistakes. It's a shame. I'm was a feminist and now I'm a humanist. It hurt me to turn from the woman candidate. I honestly felt it necessary. There was no kool aid. I don't ingest food dye. Sorry, to those real democrats on this thread. The rest of you are just wolves in sheep's clothing.

 

[Dolce27]

Back to the Pfleger thing
So, Obama tries to turn Hillary’s RFK comment into an attack on him (It was revealed that it was Obama’s campaign that passed around the footage and issued a statement – without being asked – in order to twist that misspoken comment into an attack on him. Stellar guy – huh? What’s that again about you not negative campaigning??)

Hillary issues an apology to the Kennedy’s who, if anyone deserved and apology for that statement, it was them and not Obama. But, back to being such the stellar guy that Obama is, he accepts the apology that was not given to him because there was no reason to owe him an apology.

So, Obama already has one preacher in his life that came out and said some really nasty and hateful stuff about the Clintons (from a church pulpit nonetheless!) and now there was a second preacher friend of Obama’s that came out saying really nasty and vile stuff about Hillary –again from the pulpit! (Geeze, my church doesn’t spew such hate. Maybe I go to the wrong kind of church?) And Obama has yet to offer an apology of goodwill since this was a person publicly tied to him.

So, Obama expects apologies from Hillary when nothing was said against him for an apology to be given to? Yet, when his friend, and I think this guy was another ‘spiritual mentor’, directly attacks Hillary, Obama doesn’t feel that he should issue an apology?

I could leave at this - but I'm sure you all want a little morning reading.

ME ME ME ME ME has NOT ONCE apologized to Hillary Clinton, or stood up for her [Update: the sickening reality]
By SusanUnPCcloseAuthor: SusanUnPCName:
Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
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About: See Authors Posts (995) on May 31, 2008 at 7:58 PM in Barack Obama, Chicago politics, Current Affairs, Father Michael Pfleger, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Race, Race Card, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

I am so angry that I am not sure I can type this. But here goes:
Not once, EVEN in the press conference just held — not to mention the ’round-the-clock coverage of the vicious Father Michael Pfleger’s hideous remarks about Hillary Clinton — NOT ONCE has Barack Obama (1) personally apologized to Hillary Clinton, or (2) told the public and media that he is SORRY for what Father Pfleger said about her, and STOOD UP for Hillary Clinton. In stark contrast to John McCain yesterday, who said:

(video of John McCain removed)

John McCain is a stand-up man. But Barack Obama is a SNAKE IN THE GRASS who is using 1) BULLIES, 2) COERCIVE TACTICS, 3) the THREAT OF VIOLENCE, and 4) PROMISES OF BIG CASH INCOME to FORCE his nomination on the Democratic party. Besides not being able to erase 20 years of exploiting that church for all the political gain he could extract from it — and to this day STILL failing to condemn this church for its regular preaching of hatred, racial separatism, and racism against whites — Barack Obama has failed to do the one decent thing that ANY gentleman, with ANY SENSE OF CLASS AND CHARACTER, would do:

APOLOGIZE PERSONALLY to Hillary Clinton for the cruel, vicious things said about her by his longtime intimate associate with whom he speaks regularly on the telephone, most recently (that we know of) as early in May 2008 when Barack broke with Rev. Wright.

Furthermore, Barack Obama has FAILED to EXPRESS HIS APOLOGY to the world in a public statement. This is all I can find, via the Baltimore Sun’s Swamp blog — and he said nothing in his just-completed press conference that would add to this:

In his only public appearance of the day Friday, Obama made no mention of Pfleger during a speech in Great Falls, Mont. As the story broke Thursday, his campaign issued a statement expressing disappointment in the priest’s “divisive, backward-looking rhetoric.”

AS A CLINTON SUPPORTER — and as a WOMAN – I demand that nothing else but his PERSONAL DIRECT, and then PUBLIC, APOLOGY to Sen. Clinton will suffice.
But, know what? I know that he will not do this.
WHY?
I KNOW that he is NOT a stand-up man. I realize that he hasn’t the decency to do the right thing.

What astonishes me is that — even those who aren’t stand-up people — at least have the brains to figure out that it’d be the SMART thing to do.
BUT HE CAN’T EVEN PRETEND.

He has a sociopathic personality so self-involved that he can’t even perceive that it would make him LOOK better to apologize, and to say something positive about Hillary Clinton.

Even the lowest form of con man knows that that is part of the game. Not he.

For him, it is all about ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME, and what ME ME ME ME ME ME ME wants.

He doesn’t give a f–k about a single American citizen, let alone the people of the world who are watching this election like hawks starving for sustenance from the United States of America.

I’ll be buying my John McCain bumpersticker and yard signs soon. Unless some Democrats wake up fast.

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As both Larry Johnson and I have written here — a few years from now, the books will begin to be published about how the MSM and the compliant Democratic party nominated the worst candidate in decades who went down in flames, and created a landslide victory for John McCain in the ONE YEAR when it was the Democrats’ presidency all the way.
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THE SICKENING REALITY: He has learned from George W. Bush. Never apologize.

Obama and Bush are of a similar type: Two utterly self-involved men with little or no compassion for other human beings.
To Obama and Bush, it is the worst kind of demonstration of weakness to ever apologize.

Obama and Bush do not realize that it IS possible to apologize — or at the least express empathy for the injured party — John McCain did yesterday.
McCain’s heartfelt words about Hillary Clinton were delivered with quiet dignity and true feeling.

Because we — the viewers — already KNOW, with certainty, that John McCain is a man, and a strong one at that, it is possible for him to express empathy without ever appearing weak.

Obama and Bush are SO UNCERTAIN OF THEIR MANHOOD that they dare not ever express compassion or apologize.

Well, their uncertainty about their manhood is justified. They both appear to be weaklings who make up for what they lack by bullying, bribing, and brandishing their weapon of choice (for Bush, it is the U.S. military, and for Obama it is the almighty dollar — the only god that Obama really worships).

 

[TeresaNJ]

Guys, I came here to read this thread because I was curious about what you all were saying. My only observations are: where are all the positive Hillary comments AND are you sure you guys are democrats? I get the feeling that the Hillary supporters thread has been taken over by people who really NEVER would have supported her but are just here to bash Obama. I have many friends who are behind Hillary and NONE of them are well, anything like you all. They are true Democrats, excited by the chase, proud of the party, understanding of the process and may be disappointed at the final outcome but ready for the big fight. Peace.
Btw, if Hillary wins somehow, I'm campaigning for her. She's a wonderful person, great mind, would be a very POTUS. For the record, I'm for Obama because I think it's his time and I like what I see - balanced, levelheaded, gracious, wonderful representative of our country. We need healing. I think Obama will do just that if he's allowed and supported. Four years ago, I wanted someone other than Kerry. I'm a Democrat. I worked for him. I watched as the Rove machine beat him to a pulp. A year ago, I hoped that Hillary would be organized and strong in this primary season. She wasn't. Her campaigners made many big mistakes. It's a shame. I'm was a feminist and now I'm a humanist. It hurt me to turn from the woman candidate. I honestly felt it necessary. There was no kool aid. I don't ingest food dye. Sorry, to those real democrats on this thread. The rest of you are just wolves in sheep's clothing.

Holy cow!!! Talk about insulting. I'm sorry, I just can't stand it anymore. Now I know more than ever why I could never support Obama. I feel for you guys, I really do. You can't even have your own thread without OS constantly coming over here and insulting you beyond belief. I really do feel bad for you all.

 

[chobie]

Holy cow!!! Talk about insulting. I'm sorry, I just can't stand it anymore. Now I know more than ever why I could never support Obama. I feel for you guys, I really do. You can't even have your own thread without OS constantly coming over here and insulting you beyond belief. I really do feel bad for you all.

You just proved her point.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Guys, I came here to read this thread because I was curious about what you all were saying. My only observations are: where are all the positive Hillary comments AND are you sure you guys are democrats? I get the feeling that the Hillary supporters thread has been taken over by people who really NEVER would have supported her but are just here to bash Obama. I have many friends who are behind Hillary and NONE of them are well, anything like you all. They are true Democrats, excited by the chase, proud of the party, understanding of the process and may be disappointed at the final outcome but ready for the big fight. Peace.
Btw, if Hillary wins somehow, I'm campaigning for her. She's a wonderful person, great mind, would be a very POTUS. For the record, I'm for Obama because I think it's his time and I like what I see - balanced, levelheaded, gracious, wonderful representative of our country. We need healing. I think Obama will do just that if he's allowed and supported. Four years ago, I wanted someone other than Kerry. I'm a Democrat. I worked for him. I watched as the Rove machine beat him to a pulp. A year ago, I hoped that Hillary would be organized and strong in this primary season. She wasn't. Her campaigners made many big mistakes. It's a shame. I'm was a feminist and now I'm a humanist. It hurt me to turn from the woman candidate. I honestly felt it necessary. There was no kool aid. I don't ingest food dye. Sorry, to those real democrats on this thread. The rest of you are just wolves in sheep's clothing.

Well, I'll address this. I'm not pretending to be anything. I've been up front. I like Hillary better than Obama. I'm interested in her as a potential candidate because I do think she has a good shot at winning. I don't want Obama to win. I think if he got the nod, he stands a good shot at winning too. And that to me is scary. I'd rather see Hillary win. So I do have an interest. I'm looking at the big picture.

 

[LakeAriel]

Guys, I came here to read this thread because I was curious about what you all were saying. My only observations are: where are all the positive Hillary comments AND are you sure you guys are democrats? I get the feeling that the Hillary supporters thread has been taken over by people who really NEVER would have supported her but are just here to bash Obama. I have many friends who are behind Hillary and NONE of them are well, anything like you all. They are true Democrats, excited by the chase, proud of the party, understanding of the process and may be disappointed at the final outcome but ready for the big fight. Peace.
Btw, if Hillary wins somehow, I'm campaigning for her. She's a wonderful person, great mind, would be a very POTUS. For the record, I'm for Obama because I think it's his time and I like what I see - balanced, levelheaded, gracious, wonderful representative of our country. We need healing. I think Obama will do just that if he's allowed and supported. Four years ago, I wanted someone other than Kerry. I'm a Democrat. I worked for him. I watched as the Rove machine beat him to a pulp. A year ago, I hoped that Hillary would be organized and strong in this primary season. She wasn't. Her campaigners made many big mistakes. It's a shame. I'm was a feminist and now I'm a humanist. It hurt me to turn from the woman candidate. I honestly felt it necessary. There was no kool aid. I don't ingest food dye. Sorry, to those real democrats on this thread. The rest of you are just wolves in sheep's clothing.

Beautifully stated....

 

[OceanAnnie]

"Tut tut tut, a non-Obama supporter posting in an exclusively pro-Obama thread. Do you feel so threatened that you need to barge in here?"

 

[TeresaNJ]

"Tut tut tut, a non-Obama supporter posting in an exclusively pro-Obama thread. Do you feel so threatened that you need to barge in here?"

Okay, I'm confused. I thought this was the Hillary support thread?

 

[chobie]

Well, I'll address this. I'm not pretending to be anything. I've been up front. I like Hillary better than Obama. I'm interested in her as a potential candidate because I do think she has a good shot at winning. I don't want Obama to win. I think if he got the nod, he stands a good shot at winning too. And that to me is scary. I'd rather see Hillary win. So I do have an interest. I'm looking at the big picture.

Well, I guess then your big picture does NOT include the Supreme Court and changing health care as we know it in this country.


BTW for people that do have health care as a priority did anyone see the article in the NYT today about how women who have had a c-section are now being denied health insurance unless they have been sterilized or are over 40? The insurance companies no longer want to take a chance that they may have to pay for a future c-section because it costs as average of less than $3,000 more than a v-birth. Women are being denied health coverage for the possibility that a future birth might cost the insurance companies a few shekels more.

 

[TeresaNJ]

You just proved her point.

You really must like me, because somehow you constantly follow me around on these threads. I'm flattered.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Okay, I'm confused. I thought this was the Hillary support thread?

That was a quote that Kikifan copied from the Obama thread. When a Hillary supporter posts on their thread they are up in arms, but they don't have a problem doing the same.

BTW, the only "scorched earth" I see is from the OS pulling the party apart. The comments from their camp are so condescending, rude, and meanspirited to people in their own party. How is that calling for unity?

 

[chobie]

Okay, I'm confused. I thought this was the Hillary support thread?

So, why are you posting -planning on voting for Hillary in November? Hillary as a lesser evil does not exactly make you a supporter.

 

[Dolce27]

Beautifully stated....

If you wanted to read about Hillary Clinton, you only need to stay on the OS thread. There's so many hateful and vile slams against her over there - I'm sure that would be more to your liking.

 

[TeresaNJ]

So, why are you posting -planning on voting for Hillary in November? Hillary as a lesser evil does not exactly make you a supporter.

No, I'm not voting for Hilllary, I'm voting for McCain. The reason I posted here is because I truly do feel bad for the Hillary supporters, and I DO support them to be allowed to have their own opinions and a place they feel comfortable posting them, without constantly having OS coming here to ridicule and bash them. So, in essence, I'm supporting the Hillary supporters.

I like to read all three threads concerning the candidates to try to learn and hear opposing views, BUT, I have stayed away from the Obama thread recently because so much of what I read is nasty, mean-spirited, condescending, and I could go on and on. No matter what anyone says, the media has been one-sided in their support of Obama, have unfairly bashed Hillary, etc. You know in your heart that if one tenth of the negatives related to Obama, such as Trinity Church, Rezko, etc. were related to Hillary or McCain, they would no longer have a candidacy. It's creepy and scary the way there is this rush to push Obama to be POTUS. The more we find out, the scarier it is. Anyway, that's neither here, nor there, but the blindness, anger, and hatred shown by many of the OS reinforces in my mind another reason why I could never vote for him.

 

[Dolce27]

Guys, I came here to read this thread because I was curious about what you all were saying. My only observations are: where are all the positive Hillary comments AND are you sure you guys are democrats? I get the feeling that the Hillary supporters thread has been taken over by people who really NEVER would have supported her but are just here to bash Obama.

This thread used to be pretty positive. In fact, when I first joined the Hillary thread I was still open to voting for Obama, the only reason that I was choosing Hillary over Obama was due to Hillary having more experience and after eight years of Bush, I was concerned about Obama handling the mess this country is in. I had to stop reading the Obama thread because of their hateful slams against Clinton. I’ve read some pretty vile stuff on that thread and I find it a pretty hypocritical for you to come over here and make this statement when the Obama thread is full of Clinton hate and poking fun of her supporters.

We’ve been under attack a few times by a few nasty and very sarcastic OS. – Oh, and it looks as if today could be one of those days! Gradually, this thread has turned more negative. However, I for one, feel that since it does look as if Obama will be the Democratic nominee (regardless to how unfair I think some things have played out in this election) that I should point out the truths about the man since I know the OS thread will never dig up the dirt on him. And I do use this thread to vent.

As for the ‘Democrat’ attack – that’s just low. I, personally, don’t consider myself a Democrat so I could care less about your low blows but there are some on this board that are true Democrat’s and are having a tough time since they don’t respect the man and are seriously concerned about what they are learning bout him but they still want to vote for their party.

If you don’t like what we post there, you could stay on your own thread.

 

[chobie]

No, I'm not voting for Hilllary, I'm voting for McCain. The reason I posted here is because I truly do feel bad for the Hillary supporters, and I DO support them to be allowed to have their own opinions and a place they feel comfortable posting them, without constantly having OS coming here to ridicule and bash them. So, in essence, I'm supporting the Hillary supporters.

I like to read all three threads concerning the candidates to try to learn and hear opposing views, BUT, I have stayed away from the Obama thread recently because so much of what I read is nasty, mean-spirited, condescending, and I could go on and on. No matter what anyone says, the media has been one-sided in their support of Obama, have unfairly bashed Hillary, etc. You know in your heart that if one tenth of the negatives related to Obama, such as Trinity Church, Rezko, etc. were related to Hillary or McCain, they would no longer have a candidacy. It's creepy and scary the way there is this rush to push Obama to be POTUS. The more we find out, the scarier it is. Anyway, that's neither here, nor there, but the blindness, anger, and hatred shown by many of the OS reinforces in my mind another reason why I could never vote for him.

You won't vote for any Democrat period. What makes you feel better about not voting for Hillary either?


The media has been all over every story that will make people read or listen and therefore make them money. The Rev Wright stories were all over the media as was this lastest thing with the nutty pries. As for Rezko, people don't pay attention to political "scandals" that are about money otherwise the whole Whitewater thing would have sunk Hillary a long time ago.

 

[Dolce27]

Well, I guess then your big picture does NOT include the Supreme Court and changing health care as we know it in this country.


BTW for people that do have health care as a priority did anyone see the article in the NYT today about how women who have had a c-section are now being denied health insurance unless they have been sterilized or are over 40? The insurance companies no longer want to take a chance that they may have to pay for a future c-section because it costs as average of less than $3,000 more than a v-birth. Women are being denied health coverage for the possibility that a future birth might cost the insurance companies a few shekels more.

Considering how Clinton has the best proposed health plan out of the three candidates?

 

[chobie]

Considering how Clinton has the best proposed health plan out of the three candidates?

She does, I'll give you that, but Obama has the second best. What about McCain's plan makes you want to either vote for him or vote against Obama knowing that is an effective vote for McCain?



HS want to talk about the big picture in voting against Obama but when that big picture means voting against 2 big democratic issues (choice and health care) then that really shrinks the big picture doesn't it?

I don't like what Hillary has become these last few months. I don't like that she chose lousy people to run her campaign and I worry about what type of people she would put on her Cabinet should she win, but as a mother of a daughter there is no way I would vote for a candidate who vows to stack SCOTUS with neocon judges.

 

[TeresaNJ]

You won't vote for any Democrat period. What makes you feel better about not voting for Hillary either?


The media has been all over every story that will make people read or listen and therefore make them money. The Rev Wright stories were all over the media as was this lastest thing with the nutty pries. As for Rezko, people don't pay attention to political "scandals" that are about money otherwise the whole Whitewater thing would have sunk Hillary a long time ago.

I'm not sure I understand your question. I don't really think we should get into it here, as it is the Hillary support thread, but basically, while I am conservative in many ways, if I am totally uncomfortable with a candidate, I'd vote for who I thought would be best for the country, taking into consideration what issues I am comfortable in supporting. So, if for some reason, in good conscience I couldn't vote for McCain, I could vote for Hillary.

The issue with the Rezko and Trinity church thing is that Obama is suppose to be about change and hope. I don't see it. A very bad person, (Rezko), helps the Obamas buy their house, Obama's church preaches hatred and divisiveness and segregation, there is more racial tension than ever before, and this is unity??? With Obama's friends he doesn't need enemies.