Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[moon]

Hi folks.

Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for those well wishes and prayers.

My Mom passed away last night.

Please remember that there's more to life than this political fight we have going on here.......

Oh, no....JARNJ3, I'm so, so sorry

 

[KikiFan]

Hi folks.

Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for those well wishes and prayers.

My Mom passed away last night.

Please remember that there's more to life than this political fight we have going on here.......

Oh JarnJ3 I'm so sorry.

 

[KikiFan]

Maybe you'd like him better if he was eatin watermellon and fried chicken?

This from people who see Hillary as strong because she stood by her cheatin husband. Great.

Oh because we don't see Obama as the strong black man you do - you're going to throw that sort of racist bs at us? ORLY?

Nice. Classy. Clearly you're on board with the Obama play book.

Rule #1 If someone doesn't like your candidate accuse them of being racist

 

[Dolce27]

Maybe you'd like him better if he was eatin watermellon and fried chicken?

This from people who see Hillary as strong because she stood by her cheatin husband. Great.

Wow. Just wow.
I'm not exactly certain where you are going with that first remark - but it sounds as if you are heading in a racial direction. I think that you don't need to go there and maybe you should leave our thread for awhile if you are upset with something said. I’ve gotten to know the main Hillary posters on this thread and none of us have a problem with Obama’s skin color being black.

As for your second comment: Hillary was darned if she did, darned if she didn't in that situation. We don't know what happened between her and Bill behind closed doors - nor is it our business to know - but they managed to work through it.

Had she divorced him then people would be making comments such as: She couldn't even work out her marriage when times got tough, what makes you think she can lead our country when times are tough?

Again, she was darned if she did – darned if she didn’t.
Honestly, I think it’s a sad reflection on our society that our divorce rate is as high as it is in this country and I’m glad that they were able to work things out and remain together. I think it does show strength in her as a person – I honestly think it would have been much easier for her to pack-up and leave.

 

["Got Disney"]

Hi folks.

Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for those well wishes and prayers.

My Mom passed away last night.

Please remember that there's more to life than this political fight we have going on here.......

O my I am so sorry. I was worried because you have not been here, and I was wondering if she was not getting any better and that was why we had not seen you I am really really sorry. I wish there was something I could do to help....we are here for you if you want to talk or Pm us if you want to keep it private.....You and your family will be in my night time prayers when I go to sleep

 

["Got Disney"]

Maybe you'd like him better if he was eatin watermellon and fried chicken?

This from people who see Hillary as strong because she stood by her cheatin husband. Great.

this has to be the nastiest most directed racist post that I have ever read on the DIS...you should be ashamed of yourself. I shake my head at you

Matter of fact I dont know whether to laugh at you... or cry for you....what a shame...

 

[jacksonsmom]

Hi folks.

Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for those well wishes and prayers.

My Mom passed away last night.

Please remember that there's more to life than this political fight we have going on here.......

I am so, so sorry

My dad has a terminal illness he is going through right now.
Life is so short

My thoughts and prayers are with you

 

[jacksonsmom]

Maybe you'd like him better if he was eatin watermellon and fried chicken?

This from people who see Hillary as strong because she stood by her cheatin husband. Great.

just because a lot of us don't like him, we are racist.

Next time I am at a family gathering I better tell my black uncle I am a racist, oh and my aunt from Korea should know it too .

And people say Hillary has a problem

 

[BelleBoo&AmisMum]

Hi folks.

Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for those well wishes and prayers.

My Mom passed away last night.

Please remember that there's more to life than this political fight we have going on here.......

I'm so sorry, my thoughts are with you.

 

["Got Disney"]

I unsubcribed to the OT....it is no longer on my list....If Obama is to have any chance with me I need to stay away form the majority of his suppoters. If they come in here I will just throw pixie dust on them..

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Gosh, where do I start?
1. There are Repug Stealth trolls infesting a ton of sites right now for both Obama and Clinton. People can claim to be anything on the net so that Hillary supporter or that Obama supporter that says something outlandish, well it may not be a genuine Obama supporter or genuine Clinton supporter.
2. Well let me just say that I believe that 95% of Hillary's supporters are fair minded people that while hurt about putting so much of themselves into their candidate and losing, will, in the end give Obama a fair shake and a fair look. And that's all I'm going to ask of them. Because I believe if they do give Obama a fair and honest look, most of them will see he's far superior to 4 more years of Bush. We cannot win without a significant chunk of these people and I believe we'll get em.
3. There are the take my ball and go home types that are never going to give Obama a fair shake. I figure we never had a fair shot at em anyway so we'll have to find a way to win without them.

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Now, forget it, some Obama supporters (here and else where) have turned me completely off to Obama.

Nobody turned you off to anything except you. If what a few screen names say on the net can turn you off, you wanted to be turned off.

And this blaming Hillary for everything while Obama can do no wrong, it pathetic.

Yeah. We wouldn't want to blame everyone else except our candidate now would we? No. Can't do that. Oh wait. That's exactly what you're doing with my next quote of yours.

Originally Posted by jacksonsmom View Post
People hate a STRONG AND INTELLIGENT woman, you know

What your candidate said was neither strong, nor intelligent despite your attempts to explain away the backlash today as sexist. And by making the claim, you are showing no respect for the strong and intelligent women that are voting for Obama. You are in fact blaming everyone else except your candidate. You're acting exactly like the Obama supporters you despise.
Hillary shot herself in the foot. Pure and simple. Sure she was just saying anything could happen but you simply don't go there. You simply don't. And this isn't the first time she brought it up. It flew under the radar the last time but this time ole Sludge saw McSame imploding and stirred this one up as a diversion. And if that is the last straw that puts her out, well she has nobody to blame but herself.

Originally Posted by jacksonsmom View Post
If a strong and intelligent black man was running for President I would vote for him.
Sorry, I just don't see "Strong and intelligent" with Obama.

I won't even begin to speculate as to reason, but if you don't see strong and intelligent in Obama, you're simply not choosing to see strong and intelligent in Obama. You may not like Obama, but to claim he's not intelligent is just ludicrous.

 

[disneyjunkie]

True,

If a strong and intelligent black man was running for President I would vote for him.

Sorry, I just don't see "Strong and intelligent" with Obama.

Some of us just see what we want to see.

How anyone can say Obama, Hilary, and McCain aren't intelligent is beyond me.

You may not agree with their politics, but that doesn't delete their intelligence.

I don't understand how a bunch of strangers on a message board can play a role in someone's decision to vote for a candidate. As much as I hate some of the things that have been posted here, it has no impact on my feelings about Hillary.

I don’t believe that your opinions/views are a reflection of her. She has no control over the things you post.

My decision not to vote for her is based on things that have come out of her own mouth. (and her husband's)

 

[punkin]

Hi folks.

Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for those well wishes and prayers.

My Mom passed away last night.

Please remember that there's more to life than this political fight we have going on here.......

I am very sorry for you loss.

 

[Dolce27]

This election has been marred with lot double standards, media bias, and some sexism. But I don’t believe for a minute that many of you will believe that; you’ve all formed a narrow judgment of her and the media presenting something that Hillary has said or done and spinning it into something else does not fit into that judgment. Yesterday was a prime example of just how much, in their hatred of Hillary, people will falsely believe about Hillary.

Her misspoken words about RFK, at worst, were insensitive to the Kennedy family (although she did not mean them in that way). But no, this somehow had to be about Obama, not RFK, not the Kennedy family, but about Obama. Her words, that had nothing whatsoever to do with Obama, were twisted into ‘Hillary whishes Obama’s assignation before the conventions so she can take his place in the election.’

Here is an interesting article by the British media about Hillary, sexism, and this race:

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media

Hating Hilary
Andrew Stephen
Published 22 May 2008
Gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins

History, I suspect, will look back on the past six months as an example of America going through one of its collectively deranged episodes - rather like Prohibition from 1920-33, or McCarthyism some 30 years later. This time it is gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind. It has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins. The chief victim has been Senator Hillary Clinton, but the ramifications could be hugely harmful for America and the world.
I am no particular fan of Clinton. Nor, I think, would friends and colleagues accuse me of being racist. But it is quite inconceivable that any leading male presidential candidate would be treated with such hatred and scorn as Clinton has been. What other senator and serious White House contender would be likened by National Public Radio's political editor, Ken Rudin, to the demoniac, knife-wielding stalker played by Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction? Or described as "a ****ing *****" by Randi Rhodes, one of the foremost personalities of the supposedly liberal Air America? Would Carl Bernstein (of Woodward and Bernstein fame) ever publicly declare his disgust about a male candidate's "thick ankles"? Could anybody have envisaged that a website set up specifically to oppose any other candidate would be called Citizens United Not Timid? (We do not need an acronym for that.)
I will come to the reasons why I fear such unabashed misogyny in the US media could lead, ironically, to dreadful racial unrest. "All men are created equal," Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed in 1776. That equality, though, was not extended to women, who did not even get the vote until 1920, two years after (some) British women. The US still has less gender equality in politics than Britain, too. Just 16 of America's 100 US senators are women and the ratio in the House (71 out of 435) is much the same. It is nonetheless pointless to argue whether sexism or racism is the greater evil: America has a peculiarly wicked record of racist subjugation, which has resulted in its racism being driven deep underground. It festers there, ready to explode again in some unpredictable way.
To compensate meantime, I suspect, sexism has been allowed to take its place as a form of discrimination that is now openly acceptable. "How do we beat the *****?" a woman asked Senator John McCain, this year's Republican presidential nominee, at a Republican rally last November. To his shame, McCain did not rebuke the questioner but joined in the laughter. Had his supporter asked "How do we beat the ******?" and McCain reacted in the same way, however, his presidential hopes would deservedly have gone up in smoke. "Iron my shirt," is considered amusing heckling of Clinton. "Shine my shoes," rightly, would be hideously unacceptable if yelled at Obama.
Evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, American men like to delude themselves that they are the most macho in the world. It is simply unthinkable, therefore, for most of them to face the prospect of having a woman as their leader. The massed ranks of male pundits gleefully pronounced that Clinton had lost the battle with Obama immediately after the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, despite past precedents that strong second-place candidates (like Ronald Reagan in his first, ultimately unsuccessful campaign in 1976; like Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and Jerry Brown) continue their campaigns until the end of the primary season and, in most cases, all the way to the party convention.
None of these male candidates had a premature political obituary written in the way that Hillary Clinton's has been, or was subjected to such righteous outrage over refusing to quiesce and withdraw obediently from what, in this case, has always been a knife-edge race. Nor was any of them anything like as close to his rivals as Clinton now is to Obama.
The media, of course, are just reflecting America's would-be macho culture. I cannot think of any television network or major newspaper that is not guilty of blatant sexism - the British media, naturally, reflexively follow their American counterparts - but probably the worst offender is the NBC/MSNBC network, which has what one prominent Clinton activist describes as "its nightly horror shows". Tim Russert, the network's chief political sage, was dancing on Clinton's political grave before the votes in North Carolina and Indiana had even been fully counted - let alone those of the six contests to come, the undeclared super-delegates, or the disputed states of Florida and Michigan.
The unashamed sexism of this giant network alone is stupendous. Its superstar commentator Chris Matthews referred to Clinton as a "she-devil". His colleague Tucker Carlson casually observed that Clinton "feels castrating, overbearing and scary . . . When she comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs." This and similar abuse, I need hardly point out, says far more about the men involved than their target.
Knives out
But never before have the US media taken it upon themselves to proclaim the victor before the primary contests are over or the choice of all the super-delegates is known, and the result was that the media's tidal wave of sexism became self-fulfilling: Americans like to back winners, and polls immediately showed dramatic surges of support for Obama. A few brave souls had foreseen the merciless media campaign: "The press will savage her no matter what," predicted the Washington Post's national political correspondent, Dana Milbank, last December. "They really have their knives out for her, there's no question about it."
Polling organizations such as Gallup told us months ago that Americans will more readily accept a black male president than a female one, and a more recent CNN/Essence magazine/ Opinion Research poll found last month that 76 per cent think America is ready for a black man as president, but only 63 per cent believe the same of a woman.
"The image of charismatic leadership at the top has been and continues to be a man," says Ruth Mandel of Rutgers University. "We don't have an image, we don't have a historical memory of a woman who has achieved that feat."
Studies here have repeatedly shown that women are seen as ambitious and capable, or likeable - but rarely both. "Gender stereotypes trump race stereotypes in every social science test," says Alice Eagley, a psychology professor at Northwestern University. A distinguished academic undertaking a major study of coverage of the 2008 election, Professor Marion Just of Wellesley College - one of the "seven sisters" colleges founded because women were barred from the Ivy Leagues and which, coincidentally, Hillary Clinton herself attended - tells me that what is most striking to her is that the most repeated description of Senator Clinton is "cool and calculating".
This, she says, would never be said of a male candidate - because any politician making a serious bid for the White House has, by definition, to be cool and calculating. Hillary Clinton, a successful senator for New York who was re-elected for a second term by a wide margin in 2006 - and who has been a political activist since she campaigned against the Vietnam War and served as a lawyer on the congressional staff seeking to impeach President Nixon - has been treated throughout the 2008 campaign as a mere appendage of her husband, never as a heavyweight politician whose career trajectory (as an accomplished lawyer and professional advocate for equality among children, for example) is markedly more impressive than those of the typical middle-aged male senator.
Rarely is she depicted as an intellectually formidable politician in her own right (is that what terrifies oafs like Matthews and Carlson?). Rather, she is the junior member of "Billary", the derisive nickname coined by the media for herself and her husband. Obama's opponent is thus not one of the two US senators for New York, but some amorphous creature called "the Clintons", an aphorism that stands for amorality and sleaze. Open season has been declared on Bill Clinton, who is now reviled by the media every bit as much as Nixon ever was.
Here we come to the crunch. Hillary Clinton (along with her husband) is being universally depicted as a loathsome racist and negative campaigner, not so much because of anything she has said or done, but because the overwhelmingly pro-Obama media - consciously or unconsciously - are following the agenda of Senator Barack Obama and his chief strategist, David Axelrod, to tear to pieces the first serious female US presidential candidate in history.
"What's particularly saddening," says Paul Krugman, professor of economics and international affairs at Princeton and a rare dissenting voice from the left as a columnist in the New York Times, "is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the . . . way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent." Despite widespread reporting to the contrary, Krugman believes that most of the "venom" in the campaign "is coming from supporters of Obama".
But Obama himself prepared the ground by making the first gratuitous personal attack of the campaign during the televised Congressional Black Caucus Institute debate in South Carolina on 21 January, although virtually every follower of the media coverage now assumes that it was Clinton who started the negative attacks. Following routine political sniping from her about supposedly admiring comments Obama had made about Ronald Reagan, Obama suddenly turned on Clinton and stared intimidating at her. "While I was working in the streets," he scolded her, ". . . you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of Wal-Mart." Then, cleverly linking her inextricably in the public consciousness with her husband, he added: "I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes."
One of his female staff then distributed a confidential memo to carefully selected journalists which alleged that a vaguely clumsy comment Hillary Clinton had made about Martin Luther King ("Dr King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964") and a reference her husband had made in passing to Nelson Mandela ("I've been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the last hundred years . . . but if I had to pick one person whom I know would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions . . . I would pick Hillary") were deliberate racial taunts.
Another female staffer, Candice Tolliver - whose job it is to promote Obama to African Americans - then weighed in publicly, claiming that "a cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements" and saying: "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this an isolated situation, or is there something bigger behind all of this?" That was game, set and match: the Clintons were racists, an impression sealed when Bill Clinton later compared Obama's victory in South Carolina to those of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988 (even though Jackson himself, an Obama supporter, subsequently declared Clinton's remarks to be entirely inoffensive).
The pincer movement, in fact, could have come straight from a textbook on how to wreck a woman's presidential election campaign: smear her whole persona first, and then link her with her angry, red-faced husband. The public Obama, characteristically, pronounced himself "unhappy" with the vilification carried out so methodically by his staff, but it worked like magic: Hillary Clinton's approval ratings among African Americans plummeted from above 80 per cent to barely 7 per cent in a matter of days, and have hovered there since.
I suspect that, as a result, she will never be able entirely to shake off the "racist" tag. "African-American super-delegates [who are supporting Clinton] are being targeted, harassed and threatened," says one of them, Representative Emanuel Cleaver. "This is the politics of the 1950s." Obama and Axelrod have achieved their objectives: to belittle Hillary Clinton and to maneuver the ever-pliant media into depicting every political criticism she makes against Obama as racist in intent.
The danger is that, in their headlong rush to stop the first major female candidate (aka "Hildebeast" and "Hitlery") from becoming president, the punditocracy may have landed the Democrats with perhaps the least qualified presidential nominee ever. But that creeping realization has probably come too late, and many of the Democratic super-delegates now fear there would be widespread outrage and increased racial tension if they thwart the first biracial presidential hopeful in US history.
But will Obama live up to the hype? That, I fear, may not happen: he is a deeply flawed candidate. Rampant sexism may have triumphed only to make way for racism to rear its gruesome head in America yet again. By election day on 4 November, I suspect, the US media and their would-be-macho commentators may have a lot of soul-searching to do.

 

[disneyjunkie]

How can some of you see the sexism but not the racism?

I see both.

 

[djm99]

Her misspoken words about RFK, at worst, were insensitive to the Kennedy family (although she did not mean them in that way). But no, this somehow had to be about Obama, not RFK, not the Kennedy family, but about Obama. Her words, that had nothing whatsoever to do with Obama, were twisted into ‘Hillary whishes Obama’s assignation before the conventions so she can take his place in the election.’

First, there is no other possible interpretation to what she said other than, "... a leading candidate got assasinated in '68 in June, so if something like that happens this June then I'd be crazy to have gotten out of the race.". That is the only reason to reference RFK as justification to stay in the race. Why else reference him? There is no other way to read it.
It doesn't mean that she's planning to kill him, (although it doesn't mean she's not either), it means "if he gets shot I get to be the Dem candidate".

Second, she insulted Obama and she apologized to the Kennedys. Not a trace of remorse for what she implied. Just psychotic damage control. Truly digusting.

 

[disneyjunkie]

First, there is no other possible interpretation to what she said other than, "... a leading candidate got assasinated in '68 in June, so if something like that happens this June then I'd be crazy to have gotten out of the race.". That is the only reason to reference RFK as justification to stay in the race. Why else reference him? There is no other way to read it.
It doesn't mean that she's planning to kill him, (although it doesn't mean she's not either), it means "if he gets shot I get to be the Dem candidate".

Second, she insulted Obama and she apologized to the Kennedys. Not a trace of remorse for what she implied. Just psychotic damage control. Truly digusting.

If she just made a mistake yesterday, what was her excuse for making a similar comment back in March? If everyone is out to get her, why didn't we hear anything then.

 

[Dolce27]

How can some of you see the sexism but not the racism?

I see both.

I also see both - although I don't believe the Clintons to be the racist that people are trying to make them out to be. I believe that all to be political ploy which, based upon the Obama memo and statements that Obama himself brought up in the South Carolina debate, the Obama campaign instigated for political gain. But that is nothing more than dirty politics – which leads into my other main issue with a lot of the OS – anything negative, or perceived as negative, done in this campaign by Hillary is loudly proclaimed and she is raked over the coals with it but anything negative, or perceived as negative, done in this campaign by Obama is either outright ignored or easily dismissed. (That's why I bring up double standards in this election.)

But my problem is that the racism is brought up and accepted in discussion as accurate, which again, I agree – there have been some racial hurdles that Obama has had to deal with in this election and there are racist people out there that simply will not vote for him because he is black. My problem is that when the sexism is brought up, it is dismissed. Most people will accept that Obama has to deal with racial issues only Hillary’s supporters seem to acknowledge that Hillary has to deal with sexism. There were posts after posts attacking Hillary last week from Obama supporters after she finally addressed the sexism issue, refusing to believe that she’s had to deal with any of that.

 

[DisneyJosh]

Guys - there really is no need for everyone to sit here and debate, it is a moot point. She is DONE. It is all over.

Obama has secured the nomination and will be our next President in 2008 and 2012! Gobama!

 

[alldiz]

I did vote for Hillary in the primary....but she is clearly coming unhinged.

There is no excuse for what she said yesterday.....I know she didn't mean this....but it almost sounded like.....ya know someone could shoot Obama...hint hint...wink wink...

At this point she needs to just bow out before her or Bill put the foot in mouth so hard.....no Dentist will be able to retreive it.
Kerri