Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[moon]

If you're going to play by the rules, then play by the rules. You don't get to pick and choose, and neither does Hillary Clinton.

And neither do SOME OS who threaten to riot over a legally choosen candidate, and who would call such legally selected nomination a "steal".

 

[moon]

I saw the post you quoted above, and I don't think he was threatening to riot at all. He was simply pointing out - just as many have done both here and in the national media - that for the party to tell the first black candidate ever to receive the most delegate votes, the most popular vote (as close as it can be determined, given the caucus states that don't report it), and the first to ever win the vast majority of states, "Thanks. Congrats on all that, but we're giving the nomination to the other candidate" could potentially lead to problems at the convention. That poster wasn't condoning those actions, and neither am I. There is a difference between condoning something and predicting it.

But that poster said ot would be "stealing the nomination". That is COMPETELY false.....NOT a FACT

 

[deelam]

One real issue is who can win the General election. I do not think Obama can.

On popular vote, I must say that I am disapointed in our system, it should matter more then it does. I also think the caucases won by Obama doesn't acurately represent all voters in those states. Many people in Hillary's demographics do not go to caucas. Obama's lead it not what many think it is.

 

[deelam]

Thank you for saying that, Jules. I honestly didn't trust myself to respond.

So, I feel a bit better knowing that he has done some good in his life. I quess People can change. But his endorsement does not bring me any choosing Obama.

 

[LuvDuke]

One real issue is who can win the General election. I do not think Obama can.

On popular vote, I must say that I am disapointed in our system, it should matter more then it does. I also think the caucases won by Obama doesn't acurately represent all voters in those states. Many people in Hillary's demographics do not go to caucas. Obama's lead it not what many think it is.

The rules were agreed to by all candidates. End of story.

 

[LuvDuke]

At 91 I think this man needs to give it a rest. He should be ashamed of his past. Remember, the KKK used to lynch people. This man an abomination. I don't trust him or his motives.

He is ashamed of his past and has said so many times.

 

["Got Disney"]

Obama says "Lay off my wife" and if the GOP goes there than they better be careful...leave my wife alone she is not part of this campaign.

Well Oh well I say.....sure was not a problem with him and his campaign going after Bill Clinton and yelling Racism and so on at Bill Obamas double standard again speaks load words to me.

If it was okay for him to go after Bill than I just say fair game with Michelle.

In addition he is saying that we need to talk to our enemies as we did with Russia....well someone needs to explain to him that Iran is not Russia and in addition the Russians were up to talking....Iran is not. Russia was also not located all over the Globe terrorists wanting to annialate(sp) everyone due to Religion and there calling to Allah....big difference.

There are people we can talk with and people we can not. The Iranian President is not one to negotiate with because he will say okay than spit in your eye and laugh than blow you up just for the fun of it. He is a true whack job and there is no talking with people that are criminally insane.

 

[akhenaten]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";25202695]Obama says "Lay off my wife" and if the GOP goes there than they better be careful...leave my wife alone she is not part of this campaign.

Well Oh well I say.....sure was not a problem with him and his campaign going after Bill Clinton and yelling Racism and so on at Bill Obamas double standard again speaks load words to me.

If it was okay for him to go after Bill than I just say fair game with Michelle.

In addition he is saying that we need to talk to our enemies as we did with Russia....well someone needs to explain to him that Iran is not Russia and in addition the Russians were up to talking....Iran is not. Russia was also not located all over the Globe terrorists wanting to annialate(sp) everyone due to Religion and there calling to Allah....big difference.



There are people we can talk with and people we can not. The Iranian President is not one to negotiate with because he will say okay than spit in your eye and laugh than blow you up just for the fun of it. He is a true whack job and there is no talking with people that are criminally insane.[/QUOTE]


there was never a commercial aired about bill being racist......

Read about the cuban missle crisis......and how close we came to annihalation a la the solviet union.....

 

[wvrevy]

I wanted to share my post from the Obama thread about the Byrd endorsement. Maybe it will help explain why I didn't comment on the hateful comments posted here earlier:

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As for the Byrd endorsement...I cannot express how happy that made me. I simply can't. Bob Byrd has done more for this state than...well, pretty much anybody, ever. He's been a pillar of the United States Senate for decades, and is the living, breathing embodiment of that august institution. The man is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to Senate history, and there was never a need for a rules discussion or research on precedent if he was around, because he had it in his head already.

For anyone that doesn't know, Senator Byrd has not been doing well physically of late, and I do not expect he will be with us for very much longer. With that in mind, I have to tell you that knowing one of his last acts as a United States Senator and representative of this state that both he and I dearly love was to endorse a black man that has so inspired me, personally.....I literally got tears in my eyes as I read that.

Senator, you were a real SOB when you were younger. The real epitome of a "Southern Democrat" that woulda kicked Zell Miller's goofy butt all the way back to Georgia if he'd ever got into you the way he did into Chris Matthews. You did a lot of things that were deplorable.......and you showed everybody what it means to truly admit you were wrong about something, because you spent most of the last 40 years giving a voice to people that didn't have one of their own. Senator Obama said it best when he said that you embodied all of the good, bad, and the conflict between the two that we have faced as a nation in the last 50 years...and out of that you became a great man. Not only a great man, but a good one as well.

No matter what history writes about Senator Byrd's early years, it will also have to take note of just how far this one man came in his time in Washington.

Thank you, Senator Byrd. From a very grateful, admiring, and, this day, PROUD West-by-God-Virginian!!!

 

[crcormier]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";25202695]Obama says "Lay off my wife" and if the GOP goes there than they better be careful...leave my wife alone she is not part of this campaign.

Well Oh well I say.....sure was not a problem with him and his campaign going after Bill Clinton and yelling Racism and so on at Bill Obamas double standard again speaks load words to me.

If it was okay for him to go after Bill than I just say fair game with Michelle.

In addition he is saying that we need to talk to our enemies as we did with Russia....well someone needs to explain to him that Iran is not Russia and in addition the Russians were up to talking....Iran is not. Russia was also not located all over the Globe terrorists wanting to annialate(sp) everyone due to Religion and there calling to Allah....big difference.

There are people we can talk with and people we can not. The Iranian President is not one to negotiate with because he will say okay than spit in your eye and laugh than blow you up just for the fun of it. He is a true whack job and there is no talking with people that are criminally insane.[/QUOTE]

Actually, if we had talked to Iran in 2003 before invading Iraq they'd be a much more moderate country than they are now. But instead we called them terrorists and refused to talk to them.

Worked out well.

 

["Got Disney"]

there was never a commercial aired about bill being racist......

Read about the cuban missle crisis......and how close we came to annihalation a la the solviet union.....

First of all I don't need a History lesson and second of all I remember all about Russia and the drills at school hiding under my school desk just in case we had a nuclear war.....and also familiar to how close we came to it happening. And that was 40 years ago...things and people have changed along with technology and WOMD.

However....we have been there done that with talks with Iran and if you think that sitting down and having a talk with him is going to change his mind and say...O well Obama because you say we should stop we will stop...than you are wrong.

Iran cares not about diplomacy.....all they care about is getting there Nuke and using it. If Obama goes in there with the attitude of either you stop what your doing or we will sanction you..that is different...but if sitting down and trying to have tea with the man and to carry a logical conversation of how to make this world a better place than he is not a smart man.

 

["Got Disney"]

Actually, if we had talked to Iran in 2003 before invading Iraq they'd be a much more moderate country than they are now. But instead we called them terrorists and refused to talk to them.

Worked out well.

Your kidding me right you think talks 4 or 5 years ago would have changed all this war???? Do you realize that there were talks and they did not work, or did you miss that part ...in addition that Iraq is part of the middle east and has always been a terrorist country. Remember the name Allah!!!! and Radical Terrorism....

If anyone thinks that talking to Iran in 2003 would have changed there outlook at us today is so out of touch. Read my typing THEY have always hated us...always....These terrorist do this in the name of Allah who says those who do not believe in him need to die. Those that repent to his name will be saved....this has nothing to do with talks but there religious belifes.....if you dont pracatice the muslim religion than you must be killed...this is what Radical Muslims feel. They believe that Allah wants the whole world to be one religion. There is no other god but Allah. Any other religions are thought of as evil. Anyone that does not follow Allahs beliefs are evil.

So tell me how are sitting down and having talks with them going to change anything unless you tell them that we will all follow Allah and killa anyone that stands in his way.

Talks don't work with Radical Religions, or with crazy people that want to hurt or kill us.

I know....Maybe if we just have some talks with all the Child molesters in Prison and say "Don't do that anymore" than we can let them all out....i know lets just send Obama in to the prisons to have a talk with them. PLEEEEEZE!

 

[crcormier]

Actually, do some research and don't just believe the talking heads on tv, Iran was quite moderate in 2003. Western culture was becoming quite popular. They had stopped working towards nuclear weapons. They also offered to help us rebuild Iraq. President Mahmud Ahmadinejad was not yet in power. It was not until after we declared them part of the Axis of Evil that their elections moved the country in a different direction.

So no, I'm not kidding. It probably would have been very beneficial to the state of the middle east.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0118/p99s01-duts.html

 

[DISUNC]

The rules were agreed to by all candidates. End of story.

The only "rules" any of the candidates agreed too were NOT to campaign in those states. Thats it, thats what the rules were.

Obama was the only candidate too break the rules by campaigning in Florida.

The MYTH about candidates agreeing that the votes in MI & FL should NOT be counted is a MYTH! Not to mention UnAmerican.

 

["Got Disney"]

Actually, do some research and don't just believe the talking heads on tv, Iran was quite moderate in 2003. Western culture was becoming quite popular. They had stopped working towards nuclear weapons. They also offered to help us rebuild Iraq. President Mahmud Ahmadinejad was not yet in power. It was not until after we declared them part of the Axis of Evil that their elections moved the country in a different direction.

So no, I'm not kidding. It probably would have been very beneficial to the state of the middle east.

Ummm Iran has been a problem for years and years...just as Saudi, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan ***** na dso on...theses are all homes of Radicals and can remember problems with them since I was younger and I am 50 know. Most of this all started in 1953 when we overthrew their democratically elected government in 1951. It has carried on from there to what we have know....

There are Radical Muslims all over the world. Coming from most of these places and growing. You seem to suggest that all has been fine up to 2003 with all these people. WE have never been friends with any of these countries. WE have coexisted with them but as you know they were growing and growing behind our backs. And no it is not just since Bush that this has happened....it was well before and for many a moons.

YOU CAN NO TALK WITH RADICAL MUSLIMS.......lets keep the talks with the countries that will make changes for the best of the world. Guess we can go have talks with North Korea also...sip some tea.....people like Iran and NK you don't talk with...you tell them that if they keep killing our troops than we will have to take action. Stop killing our troops and stop supplying countries weapons to kill our troops and we wont retaliate.

 

[MerryPoppins]

I want to jump in here for just a minute. While I agree that it's not easy to reason with radical Muslims, I think it's important to remember that not all Muslims are radical. One of my DS's majors is religious studies. He's chosen Islam as one of his areas of expertise and has taken several classes as well as done an internship. The radical members are only in certain sects of the Muslim faith and even then don't comprise a whole sect. So while there are radical Muslims all over the world, there are also many peace-loving Muslims all over the world who don't have it in for us. Be careful making broad generalizations.

I never think it's a bad idea to try to solve things with diplomacy unless the other side makes it clear that they won't even consider the other side. Never hurts to try. I think this is where Bush's administration got us into trouble....jumping into something without trying hard enough to work it out. Let's not make the same leap twice.

 

["Got Disney"]

I want to jump in here for just a minute. While I agree that it's not easy to reason with radical Muslims, I think it's important to remember that not all Muslims are radical. One of my DS's majors is religious studies. He's chosen Islam as one of his areas of expertise and has taken several classes as well as done an internship. The radical members are only in certain sects of the Muslim faith and even then don't comprise a whole sect. So while there are radical Muslims all over the world, there are also many peace-loving Muslims all over the world who don't have it in for us. Be careful making broad generalizations.

I never think it's a bad idea to try to solve things with diplomacy unless the other side makes it clear that they won't even consider the other side. Never hurts to try. I think this is where Bush's administration got us into trouble....jumping into something without trying hard enough to work it out. Let's not make the same leap twice.

Only talking Radical Muslims here ...not all Muslims. And you can not talk with Radical Muslims about peace unless you are willing to see things there way and that if you don't bow to Allah than you are an infidel and must die. But I am only talking Radical Muslims., or anyone that is mentally unstable and crazy. After all there is no use in talking to them as there was no use talking to Hitler or people like Charles Manson...just plain crazes.

Talking to reason with people that feel that blowing themselves up and there children up will bring them peace and prosperity and life in the after
and the more people they kill that don't worship Allah the faster they will bring to there family's wealth and the highest place in death will kill to get there.

I have many Muslim friends and they hate how the radicals have made all Muslims look bad. But anyone that believes all Muslims are radicals I have found that they are bigots not just against Muslims but of other ethnic groups.

We have to talk no doubt about it....but IMO not with anyone that continues to want to whip us off the face of the earth,and will not stop till they do.

 

[wvrevy]

The only "rules" any of the candidates agreed too were NOT to campaign in those states. Thats it, thats what the rules were.

Obama was the only candidate too break the rules by campaigning in Florida.

The MYTH about candidates agreeing that the votes in MI & FL should NOT be counted is a MYTH! Not to mention UnAmerican.

Oh really?

Hillary Clinton after being asked why she didn't remove her name from the ballot: "I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot. You know, It's clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything."

You were saying? I can link to the audio of her saying that if it would help.

 

[LuvDuke]

The only "rules" any of the candidates agreed too were NOT to campaign in those states. Thats it, thats what the rules were.

Obama was the only candidate too break the rules by campaigning in Florida.

The MYTH about candidates agreeing that the votes in MI & FL should NOT be counted is a MYTH! Not to mention UnAmerican.

You don't know what you're talking about:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/6/12656/59124/210/490995

As the gentleman said ......... "Oops".

 

[kinntj]

You don't know what you're talking about:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/6/12656/59124/210/490995

As the gentleman said ......... "Oops".

That doesn't say anything. How rude!