Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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It seems that Obama used the "rules" logic before, so that he ran UNOPPOSED in his first State Senate race, all the way back in 1996!:rolleyes1
Not too mention that due to a few sex scandals, and the GOP throwing Alan Keyes in at the last minute, he really ran unopposed for the US Senate too.

Seems like Obama likes to win by eliminating the competition!!!!!!!!!!!:furious:
So much for his "landslide victories";)

I will guess with most certainty that Obama was behind the stupid "McCain is not a Legal US citizen" campaign a few months ago.:rolleyes1

Obama played hardball in first Chicago campaign

In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.
The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

"He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice."

"The Obama campaign called this report "a hit job." It insisted that CNN talk to a state representative who supports Obama, because, according to an Obama spokesman, she would be objective. But when we called her, she said she can't recall details of petition challenges, who engineered them for the Obama campaign or why all the candidates were challenged.":rolleyes1

"Palmer, who has campaigned for Clinton, told CNN that she did not want to be part of this story. "
:scared1:

'But Palmer supporters, who did not want to be identified, said that she never anointed Obama as her successor and that the retelling of the story by Obama supporters is designed to distract from the fact he muscled his way into office.'

Kass, the Chicago Tribune columnist, said the national media are naive when it comes to Chicago politics, which is a serious business.

He said they have bought into a narrative that Obama is strictly a reformer. The truth, Kass says, is that he is a bare-knuckled politician. And using the rules to win his first office is part of who Obama is.

"It's not the tactics of 'let's all people come together and put your best ideas forward and the best ideas win,' " Kass said. "That's the spin; that's in the Kool-Aid. You can have some. Any flavor. But the real deal was, get rid of Alice Palmer.

"There are those who think that registering people to vote and getting them involved in politics and then using this tactic in terms of denying Alice Palmer the right to compete, that these things are inconsistent. And guess what? They are. They are inconsistent. But that's the politics he plays."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html
Yup...he is ALL ABOUT "Hope & Change".....:rolleyes1 :scared1:
 
It seems that Obama used the "rules" logic before, so that he ran UNOPPOSED in his first State Senate race, all the way back in 1996!:rolleyes1
Not too mention that due to a few sex scandals, and the GOP throwing Alan Keyes in at the last minute, he really ran unopposed for the US Senate too.

Seems like Obama likes to win by eliminating the competition!!!!!!!!!!!:furious:
So much for his "landslide victories";)

I will guess with most certainty that Obama was behind the stupid "McCain is not a Legal US citizen" campaign a few months ago.:rolleyes1

Obama played hardball in first Chicago campaign

In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.
The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

"He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice."

"The Obama campaign called this report "a hit job." It insisted that CNN talk to a state representative who supports Obama, because, according to an Obama spokesman, she would be objective. But when we called her, she said she can't recall details of petition challenges, who engineered them for the Obama campaign or why all the candidates were challenged.":rolleyes1

"Palmer, who has campaigned for Clinton, told CNN that she did not want to be part of this story. "
:scared1:

'But Palmer supporters, who did not want to be identified, said that she never anointed Obama as her successor and that the retelling of the story by Obama supporters is designed to distract from the fact he muscled his way into office.'

Kass, the Chicago Tribune columnist, said the national media are naive when it comes to Chicago politics, which is a serious business.

He said they have bought into a narrative that Obama is strictly a reformer. The truth, Kass says, is that he is a bare-knuckled politician. And using the rules to win his first office is part of who Obama is.

"It's not the tactics of 'let's all people come together and put your best ideas forward and the best ideas win,' " Kass said. "That's the spin; that's in the Kool-Aid. You can have some. Any flavor. But the real deal was, get rid of Alice Palmer.

"There are those who think that registering people to vote and getting them involved in politics and then using this tactic in terms of denying Alice Palmer the right to compete, that these things are inconsistent. And guess what? They are. They are inconsistent. But that's the politics he plays."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html
Yup...he is ALL ABOUT "Hope & Change".....:rolleyes1 :scared1:

Sometimes just because something is legal doesn't mean it is right, or even moral :worried:
 
I am so dishearten about this whole election. Pelosi telling the SD they need to make there choice and end this know...that we do not want to go to the convention. How dare she tell them to do that.....I did not like this woman when she was picked to be speaker and I dont like her know.

If the DNC wants Obama they can have him and when they loose the election they have no one to blame but themselves. I honestly feel that the 52% of HS will not vote for Obama....I just became one of them today. so the % went up. I am sure that I am not the only one that has finally made there decision after this REV in his church also.

CNN is making it out as well no big deal again he apologized....:rotfl2: not one that I heard defended Hillary. I talked with my friend who has been on the fence as me...and he said he will not vote Obama either after this fiesco.

He sure has a lot of friends by guilt of association doesnt he....::yes::
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";25395585] Pelosi telling the SD they need to make there choice and end this know...that we do not want to go to the convention. [/QUOTE]

:lmao: You realize she HERSELF is a Uncommited SD! She is telling everyone else what she herself hasn't done yet!
 

Sometimes just because something is legal doesn't mean it is right, or even moral :worried:

There are so many 'wacky" laws that I bet even Obama can be disqualified!!!
He who lives by the Sword.......
 
:lmao: You realize she HERSELF is a Uncommited SD! She is telling everyone else what she herself hasn't done yet!

yes and she said that she will follow suit with the other SD's...so what they decide she will vote with....:rotfl2: chicken....her eye balls bother me...:rolleyes1
 
There are so many 'wacky" laws that I bet even Obama can be disqualified!!!
He who lives by the Sword.......

::yes::

BTW, DISUNC. I was catching up on the posts and I just wanted to tell you that you are not only a great uncle, but also a great son.

I feel pround to be on the same side with you and others who have shown to be amazing people, so caring towards their parents, family and friends

:flower3: Here's to you and the other wonderful HS on this thread!
 
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::yes::

BTW, DISUNC. I was catching up on the posts and I just wanted to tell you that you are not only a great uncle, but also a great son.

I feel pround to be on the same side with you and others who have shown to be amazing people, so caring towards their parents, family and friends

:flower3: Here's to you and the other wonderful HS on this thread!
Thank you. But not amazing at all. :lmao: I just rolllllllllllll with the punches.

Tommorrow my nephew finishes school...sooooo he lives with me for the summer!!!!:banana: Gonna put him to work this year!!!!!!:rolleyes1 (like that will happen)
 
So I just emailed the DNC, I'll be emailing the Washington State democratic party in a minute, I figure they could use a little pressure too....

Almost daily I get emails requesting money, I get mail requesting money. I am requesting you seat all of the delegates of the people of Michigan and Florida, until then you will not be getting any money from me.

In 2000 we saw votes not counted and how it changed this country, you're letting it happen again, this time within the party and I for one will not stand for it! The people Michigan and Florida should not be punished for the choices made by the officials of the democratic party of their states, YOU, their party are punishing them and it's not acceptable.
 
Her raspy Marylin Monroe voice does me in! :lmao:


Thank you. But not amazing at all. :lmao: I just rolllllllllllll with the punches.

Tommorrow my nephew finishes school...sooooo he lives with me for the summer!!!!:banana: Gonna put him to work this year!!!!!!:rolleyes1 (like that will happen)

My niece may be moving back to Florida after the summer....not sure how I feel about that. she will be around all the bad influences and worried that all her hard work here will be have been wasted. Long story behind her going home.

Hope she stays but it is time for her MOM to step up. I could see my niece feeling left out from her mom and sister and she has been saying she wants to go home although she is thankful for what we have done. After having a talk with her I decided to have her make the decision to stay or go.

Got tired of her attitude of we are making her stay when she does not want to. I feel like I have thrown her to the wolves. She is worried that she will also screw up if she goes back home but she needs to get her feet grounded with her mom before she turns 18 and will feel she can do as she wishes. It is a hard call and she is only 17 and no brains....hope she stays so we can continue to move forward but if not the doors here are always open and she can come back.

I feel so terrible about this it is killing me. My fear is she will go back and something terrible will happen to her....hell how do I live with that....:worried: She knows that we all want her to stay and she is seeing the shrink to discuss it. Why is it that some parents just cant do the right things by there kids. My sister can help her if she chooses and she needs her mom so much that her being away from her is breaking my heart. They need to patch things up before it is to late and she is 18 and gone. Than there is no chance. I have her doing a list of pros and cons this weekend and we will sit down and talk about them. Sure hope she stays.
 
So I just emailed the DNC, I'll be emailing the Washington State democratic party in a minute, I figure they could use a little pressure too....


Kudos to you :thumbsup2
Hay do you have that e-mail address I wouild love to state the same and that if things continue that I will change my 30 years of being a DEM to an Independent.
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";25396205]Kudos to you :thumbsup2
Hay do you have that e-mail address I wouild love to state the same and that if things continue that I will change my 30 years of being a DEM to an Independent.[/QUOTE]

I did it through the main DNC website, I just sent to it Howard Dean too, I'm bored and everyone has gone to bed. ;)
 
[quote="Got Disney";25395585]I am so dishearten about this whole election. Pelosi telling the SD they need to make there choice and end this know...that we do not want to go to the convention. How dare she tell them to do that.....I did not like this woman when she was picked to be speaker and I dont like her know.[/quote]I was really excited when Pelosi became Speaker of the House, but I have been disappointed in her. She is not as aggressive as I had hoped she would be and allowed the Bush administration to still call the shots. I know that we Dems don't have a big enough majority, etc, etc but I guess I hoped for a bigger fight.

As for "how dare she" argument ... she can "dare" as the Speaker of House. She and Harry Ried are the two most powerful Democrats in office. Part of their job is to tell other Dems what to do. {{shrug}} I guess I don't understand the outrage.

In addition, I agree with her. After this weekend's meeting of the Rules Committee and the final elections it is time for the SD for make their decision. I do not want this to go to the convention. The nominee (Obama probably) will need the summer to campaign against McCain.

Now, as for the MI and FL delegations ... Clinton wants all delegates in FL and MI to be seated as elected. Obama wants FL and MI delegates split 50/50. I think a fair compromise on FL and MI would be to seat the FL delegates as elected (as it was an even playing field) and then split the MI delegates 50/50 as Obama was not on the ballot (and no, I don't care why he wasn't on the ballot).
 
Good post, Robinb, although I obviously disagree with your compromise idea (and I don't think it will happen, as those two states will be penalized to some degree for breaking party rules...most likely by having their delegations halved).

As to the faux outrage over Obama's great uncle...DailyKos has documented the response to one of the people behind the swift boat liars' request for information from a group documenting the history of the 89th:

Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.

For those who seek to minimize the horrors of Ohrdruf since it was a 'work' camp and not a 'death' camp, we have but one word: shame. Ironically, this argument has been made to us time and time again by various Holocaust-deniers and other pro-Nazi groups. We will let the testimony of survivors and veterans speak for themselves.

"It has been recorded that in Ordruf itself the last days were a slaughterhouse. We were shot at, beaten and molested. At every turn went on the destruction of the remaining inmates. Indiscriminant criminal behavior (like the murderers of Oklahoma City some days ago). Some days before the first Americans appeared at the gates of Ordruf, the last retreating Nazi guards managed to execute with hand pistols, literally emptying their last bullets on whomever they encountered leaving them bleeding to death as testified by an American of the 37th Tank Battalion Medical section, 10 a.m. April 4, 1945.

Today I'm privileged thanks to G-d and you gallant fighting men. I'm here to reminisce, and reflect, and experience instant recollections of those moments. Those horrible scenes and that special instance when an Allied soldier outstretched his arm to help me up became my re-entrance, my being re-invited into humanity and restoring my inalienable right to a dignified existence as a human being and as a Jew. Something, which was denied me from September 1939 to the day of liberation in 1945. I had no right to live and survived, out of 80 members of my family, the infernal ordeal of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Ordruf, and its satellite camp Crawinkle and finally Theresinstadt Ghetto-Concentration Camp."

Rabbi Murray Kohn

BTW...they also told the guy to go crawl back under the rock he came from. :teeth:
 
Oh, and one more thing, since some people seem to think McCain would be a better president than Obama. If you are a Democrat or believe in Democratic ideals, you would have to be crazy to believe that, and here is why (stats from VoteSmart):

The link for Sen. McCain's ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rati...270&type=category&category=45&go.x=10&go.y=12

The link for Sen. Obama's ratings on Project Vote Smart:
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rati...490&type=category&category=45&go.x=10&go.y=15

Abortion Issues

In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Obama a grade of 100.

In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator McCain a grade of 0.

Animal Welfare Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 75 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 25 percent in 2007.


Civil Rights and Human Rights Issues

2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator Obama a grade of 80.

2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator McCain a grade of 50.
______________________________________________________________

2007 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 85 percent in 2007

2007 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 15 percent in 2007.
________________________________________________________________________

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State 100 percent in 2006.

2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State 33 percent in 2006.
________________________________________________________________________

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2005-2006.

2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 33 percent in 2005-2006.
________________________________________________________________________

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 89 percent in 2005-2006

2005-2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 33 percent in 2005-2006

Conservative Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 7 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 80 percent in 2007.

Education Issues

2007 National Education Association gave Senator Obama a grade of A.

2997 National Education Association gave Senator McCain a grade of F.
___________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) 100 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) 0 percent in 2007.

Energy Issues

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Campaign for America's Future 100 percent in 2005-2006 on energy legislation.

2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Campaign for America's
Future 17 percent in 2005-2006 on energy legislation.

Environmental Issues

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 67.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 0.

Family and Children Issues

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 60.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 10.
________________________________________________________
(The Family Research Council is an extremely right-wing organization found and lead by Dr. Richard Dobson)

2007 In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator Obama a grade of 0.

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator McCain a grade of 42.

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 81 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 0 percent in 2007.
____________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Peace Action 67 percent in 2006

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Peace Action 50 percent in 2006
________________________________________________________________


Senator Obama supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 83 percent in 2005-2006.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 25 percent in 2005-2006

Health Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 100 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 0 percent in 2007
________________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine 100 percent in 2005-2006

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine 0 percent in 2005-2006.
__________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Nurses Association 100 percent in 2005-2006.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Nurses Association 20 percent in 2005-2006.

Labor

Senator Obama supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 0 percent in 2007.
______________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 75 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 8 percent in 2007.

Liberal

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 75 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 10 percent in 2007.
_________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score 95.5 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy 40 percent in 2007
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In other words, if you care about issues at all, I'm not sure how you could vote for John McCain.
 
Now, as for the MI and FL delegations ... Clinton wants all delegates in FL and MI to be seated as elected. Obama wants FL and MI delegates split 50/50. I think a fair compromise on FL and MI would be to seat the FL delegates as elected (as it was an even playing field) and then split the MI delegates 50/50 as Obama was not on the ballot (and no, I don't care why he wasn't on the ballot).

Not a bad compromise. Everyone would be unhappy.
 
Oh, and one more thing, since some people seem to think McCain would be a better president than Obama. If you are a Democrat or believe in Democratic ideals, you would have to be crazy to believe that, and here is why (stats from VoteSmart):

The link for Sen. McCain's ratings on Project Vote Smart:

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rati...270&type=category&category=45&go.x=10&go.y=12

The link for Sen. Obama's ratings on Project Vote Smart:
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rati...490&type=category&category=45&go.x=10&go.y=15

Abortion Issues

In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Obama a grade of 100.

In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator McCain a grade of 0.

Animal Welfare Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 75 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 25 percent in 2007.


Civil Rights and Human Rights Issues

2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator Obama a grade of 80.

2007 American Civil Liberties Union gave Senator McCain a grade of 50.
______________________________________________________________

2007 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 85 percent in 2007

2007 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 15 percent in 2007.
________________________________________________________________________

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State 100 percent in 2006.

2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State 33 percent in 2006.
________________________________________________________________________

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2005-2006.

2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 33 percent in 2005-2006.
________________________________________________________________________

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 89 percent in 2005-2006

2005-2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 33 percent in 2005-2006

Conservative Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 7 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 80 percent in 2007.

Education Issues

2007 National Education Association gave Senator Obama a grade of A.

2997 National Education Association gave Senator McCain a grade of F.
___________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) 100 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) 0 percent in 2007.

Energy Issues

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Campaign for America's Future 100 percent in 2005-2006 on energy legislation.

2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Campaign for America's
Future 17 percent in 2005-2006 on energy legislation.

Environmental Issues

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 67.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to League of Conservation Voters's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 0.

Family and Children Issues

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator Obama received a rating of 60.

2007 Based on a point system, with points assigned for actions in support of or in opposition to Children's Defense Fund's position, Senator McCain received a rating of 10.
________________________________________________________
(The Family Research Council is an extremely right-wing organization found and lead by Dr. Richard Dobson)

2007 In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator Obama a grade of 0.

In 2007 Family Research Council gave Senator McCain a grade of 42.

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 81 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Council for a Livable World 0 percent in 2007.
____________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Peace Action 67 percent in 2006

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Peace Action 50 percent in 2006
________________________________________________________________


Senator Obama supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 83 percent in 2005-2006.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 25 percent in 2005-2006

Health Issues

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 100 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Academy of Family Physicians 0 percent in 2007
________________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine 100 percent in 2005-2006

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine 0 percent in 2005-2006.
__________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Nurses Association 100 percent in 2005-2006.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Nurses Association 20 percent in 2005-2006.

Labor

Senator Obama supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 0 percent in 2007.
______________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 75 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 8 percent in 2007.

Liberal

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 75 percent in 2007

Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 10 percent in 2007.
_________________________________________________________________

Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score 95.5 percent in 2007.

Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy 40 percent in 2007
---------------------------------------------------------------
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In other words, if you care about issues at all, I'm not sure how you could vote for John McCain.



That is an impressive and telling list. If you look only at true issues, not stuff like who wears flag pins and whatnot, Obama is head and shoulders above McCain on what matters. I believe it is good to look at a list like this because it really shows how McCain is out of touch on issues we care about as democrats.
 
Not a bad compromise. Everyone would be unhappy.

I disagree.

ETA: I'm sorry not enough coffee! I thought you wrote everyone would be happy! lol

Oh well my objection still stands! Obama was not required to pull his name from the ballot. He chose to do so for 2 reasons:

-He was behind by 20 points in Michigan
-He was trying to curry favor with Iowa

In addition:

-It was spread far and wide that anyone who wanted to vote for Obama (and Edwards, Richardson, and Biden) should all vote undeclared/ undecided.

So, as far as I'm concerned the only reasonable solution is to give Obama 1/4 of the undeclared/undecided votes. That's an accurate reflexion of what all the polls including Obama's own polls were telling him the outcome would have been.

Thanks for the info on that priest Disunc. Obama's got one heck of a crew when it comes to Spiritual advisor's. Says a lot about how he calibrates his moral compass

As for the death camp mistake, yes it's a stupid mistake. But its sloppy.
 
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