Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[Fitswimmer]

A proud Hillary supporter checking in


This election is starting to worry me. Not so much Obama and Clinton but their supporters. I have heard so much crap like "I'm not voting if so and so doesn't get the nom" or "I'm voting for McCain if so and so gets the nom"
That really worries me that we will see another Rep in the White House next year!

I think Democrats in general need to come together and vote for who ever is on the ticket in November.

I do have to admit it's the Obama's supporters that Obama can do no wrong that are turning me off to him.
I will vote for him though if he is nom but it will be a hard vote.
Because I do not believe Obama is the all mighty uniter many of his supporters think he is.
It is way too hard to unite a Country that is SO divided to begin with.

GO HILLARY!!!!!!

Well - all I have to say is that I did not see many Hillary supporters doing that. In fact, all along the way I saw Hillary people saying they will support the whoever the nom is. You cannot say that for the Obama people.

I hope Hillary Wins. I am to the right, However I would find Hillary Acceptable. I liken Obama's campaign to Seinfield, A Show about Nothing.

So far the Obama campaign seems to be about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.

In reading all the political threads I was beginning to think that there weren't any other Hillary fans on the boards other than me and about 3 other people , glad to have found this thread.

Kikifan, I'm with you on the having a rough time voting for Obama due to the "anointed" thing as well. I think he has laid out precious few plans for how he will do things, but relies on the rhetoric of "yes we can" and "America is ready for change". America is always ready for change after 8 years of almost any presidency, but this one particularly. I wish people would realize that he is not the only person capable of bringing new thoughts and ideas to Americans. I live in NY, so Hillary is my Senator as well. She's done a good job here, and is generally well liked in the area of NY I live in, (outside the city about 100 miles).

I also totally agree with you about any substantive questioning of him being treated as ridiculous. People forget that inspiring is great on the stump, but does little in Cabinet meetings and with foreign relations. With the limited experience that Obama has, I wonder what type of Cabinet he would put together. Spending such a short time in the Senate doesn't give you many long, trusting realtionships you can fall back on. I am very worried that if he is elected after his 4 years of trying to make Washington work the way he wants it to, but not necessarily the way it does, (not that the way it does is good, but it can't be fixed as easily as "yes we can") the Democrats will once again lose the White House because Republicans will have had time to recoup and reorganize after Bush.

That all being said, I just don't like him. If he is the nominee, I will have a hard time going to the polls this year. I can;t imagine myself ever pulling that lever

Chris

This makes me very sad to see. Here the party has two excellent candidates who are very close on the issues and all we can seem to do is snipe about each other. There seem to be folks on both sides who will not vote Democratic if their person doesn't win the nomination and that's exactly what the Republicans are hoping for. How will all these people feel watching President McCain take the oath knowing that they had a hand in it? Believe me, it's no fun to regret your vote and feel responsible for what has happened to your country.

I seem to recall another democrat who was bashed pretty hard about his lack of experience, but he did pretty well for himself....things weren't so bad under Hillary's husband were they?

 

[Tanuki]

Just checking in to add my support for Hillary to this thread.

The thing I admire about her is the way she has shown her ability to endure so much in her life. She has endured the cheating by her husband (and yes some of you would have divorced him and some would have tried to repair their marriage - her ability to forgive him speaks well for her as a Christian in my mind).

I also admire her ability to endure the bizarre hate campaign against her.
Which other candidate has been accused of murder by their detractors (Vince Foster)- or for that matter taking out a hit man on someone's cat?

She had been thru a forty million dollar investigation with a "special prosecutor" (and wasn't that a waste of the taxpayer's money?) and ended up with no charges filed.

There isn't an aspect of her life since she entered the working world which hasn't been investigated up one side and down the other and found nothing. That's right - NOTHING. So all her detractors can do is keep repeating old charges which came to nothing years ago in a lame attempt to make this stuff seem new.

Since I am planning to vote Democratic this year I see her compentency and her ability to get things done as a real plus.

And I don't want to even GET into my outrage about the double standard the media is using to report on her campaign. For example "pimping out" Chelsea - if her own child comes forward to help in her campaign. And the way it's wonderful the active role Michelle Obama or Elizabeth Edwards take in campaigning but if Bill comes out to help it is treated as some sort of crime. Or the way the male candidates are referred to by the honorific "Senator" but in the newspapers she is just "Mrs". It is unbelievable in this day and age to see how little progress has been made in treating women of achievement with even the most basic respect.

It's one thing to bandy the word "change" about. It's another to actually bring about any type of meaningful change in the system that exists right now.

Sure, I'll still vote for Obama if he turns out to be the nominee, but in the primary I'm supporting Hillary.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Fitswimmer, please don't take this as an attack - I swear it's not intended as one!

It's just that your comment is a perfect example of what is frustrating me right now in this campaign. If we (Hillary supporters) speak out about our concerns with Obama we're "bashing"

If we ask why he doesn't speak more about his policy we're told that "we need to be spoonfed" or that he cant address the needs of every silly little individual. Or that we should just go read his book.

Hillary supporters almost 100% are willing to vote for Obama where as a disturbing number of Obama supporters are threatening to sit out the election or even vote McCain. And very few have been able/ willing to give a rational answer why.

Hillary say's if Obama wins she'll go back to the Senate and give 100% to support to Obama. Obama talks about how his supporters won't got to Hillary.

There is a very disturbing double standard going on in this campaign. Why is up to Hillary and her supporters to be the "uniters" in this campaign? Why is it that every single thing Hillary does is ridiculed or dismissed as being for "Political gain" and the same rarely goes for Obama?

Again, I'm sorry if it feels like an attack I truly don't mean it that way. I'm really trying to understand the disparity of their treatment by voters and the media.

Exactly!

The lashback from the Hillary supporters is a fairly recent thing. And there very few have said they definetly will vote McCain - mostly it has been "it makes me think really hard about McCain."

Seriously - go back and read the Liberal thread. You will actually have to go back to the original because that is where it started. I know because I believe I was the first to point it out.

Funny thing - I voted for Obama here in Florida's primary. (Yeah - the one that my fellow Democrats want to see tossed out because it means nothing to them to disenfranchise millions of voters. I really have to question if they would be so willing to do so if those delegates were Obama's.) And I will gladly pull that lever for him should he get the nomination. Because to me there is nothing more terrifying that a continuation of what we have right now. And I feel with those that support Obama - they just want to win. And if they can't - well they will just take their ball and go.

Ok - yes. This has turned to a negative vent about Obama (or more like his supporters) but dang if I do not feel that my voice is being shut down.

 

[KikiFan]

This makes me very sad to see. Here the party has two excellent candidates who are very close on the issues and all we can seem to do is snipe about each other. There seem to be folks on both sides who will not vote Democratic if their person doesn't win the nomination and that's exactly what the Republicans are hoping for. How will all these people feel watching President McCain take the oath knowing that they had a hand in it? Believe me, it's no fun to regret your vote and feel responsible for what has happened to your country.

I seem to recall another democrat who was bashed pretty hard about his lack of experience, but he did pretty well for himself....things weren't so bad under Hillary's husband were they?

I'm sorry Fitswimmer I really don't get where you are coming from. You highlight "Proud" Hillary Supporter as though it's something bad. Why?

Can a person not be proud of the candidate they chose? How is that bashing? ALmost everyone of those people you highlighted still said that they were going to vote for Obama if he was the nom. So how is that splitting up the Dem. party?

Some have expressed their concerns because they feel he has laid out precious few plans and his campaign is full of rhetoric. Why is that not allowed? It is still a contest between two people and we should be able to express our opinions about each.

Perhaps some of the comments were a bit absolutist. Of course you can't say that All Obama's supporters feel one way, anymore then you can say that all Hillary's supporters feel this way. But it is a close and emotional race. It's not surprising. I'm still wondering why it's the Hillary supporters who seem to regularly be chastised.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Exactly!

The lashback from the Hillary supporters is a fairly recent thing. And there very few have said they definetly will vote McCain - mostly it has been "it makes me think really hard about McCain."

Seriously - go back and read the Liberal thread. You will actually have to go back to the original because that is where it started. I know because I believe I was the first to point it out.

Funny thing - I voted for Obama here in Florida's primary. (Yeah - the one that my fellow Democrats want to see tossed out because it means nothing to them to disenfranchise millions of voters. I really have to question if they would be so willing to do so if those delegates were Obama's.) And I will gladly pull that lever for him should he get the nomination. Because to me there is nothing more terrifying that a continuation of what we have right now. And I feel with those that support Obama - they just want to win. And if they can't - well they will just take their ball and go.

Ok - yes. This has turned to a negative vent about Obama (or more like his supporters) but dang if I do not feel that my voice is being shut down.

My point is that there is fault coming from BOTH sides. I've read posts and heard comments where Hillary supporters are saying that they will either stay home or vote for McCain if Obama gets the nod. I've read posts and heard comments from Obama supporters saying the same. I've read posts and heard comments from Hillary supporters complaining about substance, but then when quotes from the website are provided, they complain that they shouldn't have to read all that. I've read posts and heard comments from Obama supporters who say Hillary is too much of a policy wonk and their eyes glaze over when she talks.

I'm supporting BOTH and I'm donating to BOTH because I believe that either one or both will make the country a better place and will undo some of the damage done by 8 years of GW Bush. I just wish more people would do the same instead of tearing the other side down.

 

[Laura]

Exactly!

The lashback from the Hillary supporters is a fairly recent thing. And there very few have said they definetly will vote McCain - mostly it has been "it makes me think really hard about McCain."

Seriously - go back and read the Liberal thread. You will actually have to go back to the original because that is where it started. I know because I believe I was the first to point it out.

Funny thing - I voted for Obama here in Florida's primary. (Yeah - the one that my fellow Democrats want to see tossed out because it means nothing to them to disenfranchise millions of voters. I really have to question if they would be so willing to do so if those delegates were Obama's.) And I will gladly pull that lever for him should he get the nomination. Because to me there is nothing more terrifying that a continuation of what we have right now. And I feel with those that support Obama - they just want to win. And if they can't - well they will just take their ball and go.

Ok - yes. This has turned to a negative vent about Obama (or more like his supporters) but dang if I do not feel that my voice is being shut down.

I don't want to disenfranchise Florida's voters, or Michigan's. I don't see how that problem can be solved, though, without a re-vote, and that doesn't seem likely. I know would be feeling pretty voiceless if my vote in the primary wasn't going to be counted. I want the party nominee to win outright, fair and square, and I want a say in who that nominee is.

Yes, there are Obama supporters who'd rather vote for McCain than Clinton, but there are many Clinton supporters who'd do the same if Obama got the nomination. (The same goes for Republicans--have you heard that Ann Coulter's rooting for Clinton?) I just think the bickering needs to stop. It isn't helpful.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I don't want to disenfranchise Florida's voters, or Michigan's. I don't see how that problem can be solved, though, without a re-vote, and that doesn't seem likely. I know would be feeling pretty voiceless if my vote in the primary wasn't going to be counted. I want the party nominee to win outright, fair and square, and I want a say in who that nominee is.

Yes, there are Obama supporters who'd rather vote for McCain than Clinton, but there are many Clinton supporters who'd do the same if Obama got the nomination. (The same goes for Republicans--have you heard that Ann Coulter's rooting for Clinton?) I just think the bickering needs to stop. It isn't helpful.

I think they're going to have to either do a revote or caucus in those states. It isn't fair the way it is-especially not in Michigan. Mom and Dad went and voted anyway in Florida, and Mom said Obama was on the ballot there-but they heard a lot of Democrats didn't go to the polls at all because they thought their votes weren't going to matter.

 

[KikiFan]

Well either someone has me on ignore or my opinions and questions aren't worthy of commenting on.

I'd still like someone to give me a rational answer why it's bad to be a "Proud" Hillary supporter.

 

[Laura]

I think they're going to have to either do a revote or caucus in those states. It isn't fair the way it is-especially not in Michigan. Mom and Dad went and voted anyway in Florida, and Mom said Obama was on the ballot there-but they heard a lot of Democrats didn't go to the polls at all because they thought their votes weren't going to matter.

I hope they do a re-vote, but I thought I read that Florida's Democratic officials didn't want to spend the money. Obviously Michigan couldn't be counted unless they do it over. But there's also the question of who should be on the ballot in Florida--just Obama and Clinton?

 

[Laura]

I'm sorry Fitswimmer I really don't get where you are coming from. You highlight "Proud" Hillary Supporter as though it's something bad. Why?

Jacksonsmom highlighted it herself in her original post.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I'm sorry Fitswimmer I really don't get where you are coming from. You highlight "Proud" Hillary Supporter as though it's something bad. Why?

Can a person not be proud of the candidate they chose? How is that bashing? ALmost everyone of those people you highlighted still said that they were going to vote for Obama if he was the nom. So how is that splitting up the Dem. party?

Some have expressed their concerns because they feel he has laid out precious few plans and his campaign is full of rhetoric. Why is that not allowed? It is still a contest between two people and we should be able to express our opinions about each.

Perhaps some of the comments were a bit absolutist. Of course you can't say that All Obama's supporters feel one way, anymore then you can say that all Hillary's supporters feel this way. But it is a close and emotional race. It's not surprising. I'm still wondering why it's the Hillary supporters who seem to regularly be chastised.

Yes - why is that? There was a point in time on that Liberal Thread that was a straight up Hillary bash. I didn't see anybody quoting those posts and saying the bickering needs to stop then.

AAgghhh! This is so frustrating.

 

[KikiFan]

Jacksonsmom highlighted it herself in her original post.

But entire comment was one of the examples Fitswimmer used as something that she views as being bad. I don't understand why?

 

[Fitswimmer]

I hope they do a re-vote, but I thought I read that Florida's Democratic officials didn't want to spend the money. Obviously Michigan couldn't be counted unless they do it over. But there's also the question of who should be on the ballot in Florida--just Obama and Clinton?

Well, if they do a revote based on the situation now, I would guess that they would only put the two candidates on that are still in the race.

here's a question for the Hillary supporters-who is her best choice for VP?

Obviously, I like Obama-but I would also be really delighted with Bill Richardson or Joe Biden.

Anyone?

 

[Laura]

But entire comment was one of the examples Fitswimmer used as something that she views as being bad. I don't understand why?

It was this part that Fits highlighted:

I do have to admit it's the Obama's supporters that Obama can do no wrong that are turning me off to him.
I will vote for him though if he is nom but it will be a hard vote.
Because I do not believe Obama is the all mighty uniter many of his supporters think he is.

 

[Fitswimmer]

But entire comment was one of the examples Fitswimmer used as something that she views as being bad. I don't understand why?

The first line was highlighted in the original post and I didn't change it. I didn't realize at first that it would look like I was criticizing that line-which I'm not.

 

[Laura]

Yes - why is that? There was a point in time on that Liberal Thread that was a straight up Hillary bash. I didn't see anybody quoting those posts and saying the bickering needs to stop then.

AAgghhh! This is so frustrating.

Seriously--who cares who started it? People were bashing Edwards frequently not too long ago. The point is it needs to stop.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Seriously--who cares who started it? People were bashing Edwards frequently not too long ago. The point is it needs to stop.

 

[KikiFan]

Seriously--who cares who started it? People were bashing Edwards frequently not too long ago. The point is it needs to stop.

Well for me, the point is actually that some of us feel like we are being accused of "bashing" when we are simply trying to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the two Dem candidates. It feels like any comment that is not 110% supportive of Obama is being labeled as bashing.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I thought we were going to talk about Hillary...nobody has an opinion on her choice for VP??

 

[Laura]

Well for me, the point is actually that some of us feel like we are being accused of "bashing" when we are simply trying to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of the two Dem candidates. It feels like any comment that is not 110% supportive of Obama is being labeled as bashing.

Well, I tend to think comments like we believe Obama is a god and we're in a cult is bashing. But really, we need a truce, forgive and forget. I like Hillary, and it's only been very recently that I think I've settled on voting for Barack in my state's primary next month. It's a tough decision, and I'm glad we have two winners to choose from. Hillary was right when she said in the recent California debate that when we look at them, we're looking at the next President.

Time to start bashing the real adversary: McCain! Even the Rep. conservatives don't want him in office, how hilarious is that?

Oh, and as for Fitswimmer's question: I like Richardson a lot. I've always preferred a governor for executive experience (since the POTUS and VP are also that branch of office). He has massive amounts of experience. Either VP or Sec. of State, I'd be happy. Biden might want to stay in the Senate.