Hillary Supporters unite....no bashing please! only smiles

[DawnCt1]

I hope Hillary Wins. I am to the right, However I would find Hillary Acceptable. I liken Obama's campaign to Seinfield, A Show about Nothing.

So far the Obama campaign seems to be about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.

 

[shortbun]

I liked all three of our major candidates and would have supported any of them as the nominee. I still would. I think too much is being made of the Obama mystique and wonder if the people doing it are really liberals or democrats because it's destructive. I LOVE Hillary. She's smart, tough, capable and brings with her one of the smartest partners any president would have ever had. I'm supporting Obama right now. I feel we need some fresh air at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. That said, if Hillary is the nominee I will march, call, give and work to get her elected.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

I've already said I voted for HC in the primary. Won't vote for Obama against McCain. Doesn't matter where I'm from anyway, his machine is based from here if he's the candidate.

 

[Laura]

I'm supporting Obama right now. I feel we need some fresh air at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. That said, if Hillary is the nominee I will march, call, give and work to get her elected.

I'm with you on that. If Hillary wins, I'll do a nice happy dance on Inauguration Day. It would be wonderful to have our POTUS referred to as "Madam President"!

It's been very hard for a lot of Democrats to decide which candidate to vote for. The primaries/caucuses are so important this year--if yours hasn't happened yet, please go and vote!

 

[shortbun]

So far the Obama campaign seems to be about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.

He IS wonderful. Hillary is wonderful too. John Edwards is wonderful. We liberals are in a wonderful place. The grass roots movement for Obama IS about how wonderful he is and how he energizes people to take action. Our whole party is moving in a positive direction!!! Have you noticed the massive attendance at the polls? We are soooo lucky here in liberal land to have no bad choices.

 

[robinb]

So far the Obama campaign seems to be about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.

OMG! Dawn, are you a closet Hillary supporter? .

 

[shortbun]

So is this a Hillary thread or a "bash Obama and his followers as cultists" thread?

I'm supporting BOTH because I believe either one or both of them would be great for this country and I'm really tired of the bashing from both sides.

Amen!!!

 

[Fitswimmer]

I liked all three of our major candidates and would have supported any of them as the nominee. I still would. I think too much is being made of the Obama mystique and wonder if the people doing it are really liberals or democrats because it's destructive. I LOVE Hillary. She's smart, tough, capable and brings with her one of the smartest partners any president would have ever had. I'm supporting Obama right now. I feel we need some fresh air at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. That said, if Hillary is the nominee I will march, call, give and work to get her elected.

I've been wondering if some of the ******* isn't being sown by outsiders as well. It certianly will benefit the Republicans if the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot fighting with one another.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Another Hillary supporter checking in here. I am hoping she wins. I remember the 2000 election when Gore was thought to be "too boring" because he was so smart and everyone was gaga over W because he was so personable and a "uniter". Yeah - look how that turned out. I am thinking that a policy wonk workhorse it what we need in the White House. Besides the thought of looking to a politician for inspiration has always struck me as weird.

I was reading a blog on DailyKos about Hillary's HC plan and about the mandates that people are so up in arms about (yes - I know it is an opinion but they guy works in the insurance biz) that I thought was pretty good. The bolding is mine as I particularly agree with that statement!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/4/10480/22224/54/449462

Response to a Kossack: Krugman is right.
by jim bow
Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 09:05:58 AM PST

I'm an actuary for a life insurance company. My father is a health economist, and has been working on universal health care for some time. So I have a little experience on this issue.

I honestly don't know for whom I'm going to vote tomorrow in the Massachusetts primary. As stephdray wrote, Barack Obama offers the potential for a politically transformative moment in history, and it would great to be there when it happens. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, possesses encyclopedic knowledge and extrodinary command of the issues. She also has experience taking those slings and arrows from Republicans, and sticking it to them when it comes time for policy debates. We know how mean and vindictive those Republicans can be, and Barack Obama does not have this critical experience of taking on those Republicans. Mario Cuomo is right: you campaign in poetry, and you govern in prose.

* jim bow's diary :: ::
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On health care, I, however, strongly agree with Hillary Clinton. As Partially Impartial explains in his diary this past Saturday, without a mandate, many young, healthy people like myself (I'm 28.), by having to subsidize the premiums of older, sicker, higher-risk people, would not see purchasing insurance as a good return for their investment, and would choose to opt out of the system until they saw themselves as having the potential for getting a good return for their investment (in the form of premiums) -- when they are sicker. The mandate, by requiring young, healthy, low-risk people to join the system and subsidize older, sicker, higher risk Americans, is what lowers the cost for everyone.

As a better example, just think of Social Security or Medicare Part A (the Hospital Insurance). Both programs are mandatory; everyone must contribute in the form of payroll taxes. Not everyone, however, benefits. If you aren't lucky enough to live to 65, or are unfortunate enough either to become disabled, or have a parent or spouse whose income you depend upon die prematurely, you don't get Social Security and/or Medicare benefits. That's just the way insurance works. Insurance isn't an investment policy; it's a policy to guard you against catastrophic losses.

Now imagine if, as Barry Goldwater proposed in 1964, payroll taxes (Social Security contributions) were made voluntary. You could opt out of the Social Security system. If you were a young, healthy 25-year-old, why would you want to pay Social Security taxes through your nose if you see very little possibility of benefiting from your contributions? Wouldn't you rather spend your money feeding your children or saving for that new home? Doesn't seem like Social Security is a good investment, does it? So then who would be left paying into Social Security? The people closer to retirement. Because a much smaller pool of people would be there to contribute to Social Security and Medicare Part A, there would have be either a much greater contribution rate or significantly reduced benefits.

So contrary to a fellow Kossack's claim, mandates are not a Republican thing -- they are a Democratic thing. Every single-payer proposal -- both the Conyers (H.R. 676) and the McDermott (H.R. 1200) proposals -- provides mandatory insurance. You can opt out of receiving benefits, but you can't opt out of paying payroll taxes (or your employer's payroll tax contributions through reduced wages).

Now would Hillary Clinton's mandate force people into private insurance plans? Yes, everyone would be forced to purchase private insurance, and everyone would be allowed to buy into the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). In my previous life as an economist for the US Commerce Department, I had the Blue Cross/Blue Shield Standard Option of the Federal Employee (FEHBP) plan. Contrary to what many people say on this blog, the plan is actually quite nice. But here's the bigger thing: by allowing everyone to buy into FEHBP (as Obama's plan also does), people would be able to have their insurance independent of their work. That way, when people change jobs, they don't have to worry about what health insurance benefits they may have to lose.

I hope this diary clears up many of the misconceptions about the mandates debate.

 

[Laura]

I've been wondering if some of the ******* isn't being sown by outsiders as well. It certianly will benefit the Republicans if the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot fighting with one another.

Exactly. I wish somehow we could fuse Hillary and Barack into some kind of superhuman. Vote for Hillarack Obamton!

 

[DawnCt1]

OMG! Dawn, are you a closet Hillary supporter? .

Nope!

 

[robinb]

Nope!

I didn't think so . But since this doesn't appear to be a "bash Obama" thread ... .

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I've been wondering if some of the ******* isn't being sown by outsiders as well. It certianly will benefit the Republicans if the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot fighting with one another.

What do you mean by outsiders? Are you talking about the ******* in general or here on the DIS?

I was on that Liberal thread and I do not believe that those that are enjoying their Hillary bashing are outsiders. Unless you mean people like me - the ones that won't just sit there and listen to supposed fellow liberals bash my candidate like they are reading straight from the GOP talking points?

 

[Laura]

What do you mean by outsiders? Are you talking about the ******* in general or here on the DIS?

I was on that Liberal thread and I do not believe that those that are enjoying their Hillary bashing are outsiders. Unless you mean people like me - the ones that won't just sit there and listen to supposed fellow liberals bash my candidate like they are reading straight from the GOP talking points?

I think the bolded part is the issue. I think those who may be for one candidate may be listening too much to the conservative baloney that criticizes the other. The Republicans want to trash both Democrats and make their supporters fight each other.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I think the bolded part is the issue. I think those who may be for one candidate may be listening too much to the conservative baloney that criticizes the other. The Republicans want to trash both Democrats and make their supporters fight each other.

Well - all I have to say is that I did not see many Hillary supporters doing that. In fact, all along the way I saw Hillary people saying they will support the whoever the nom is. You cannot say that for the Obama people.

 

[LukenDC]

I proudly cast my vote for Hillary this morning!

 

[Fitswimmer]

What do you mean by outsiders? Are you talking about the ******* in general or here on the DIS?

I was on that Liberal thread and I do not believe that those that are enjoying their Hillary bashing are outsiders. Unless you mean people like me - the ones that won't just sit there and listen to supposed fellow liberals bash my candidate like they are reading straight from the GOP talking points?

I meant the GOP and off the DIS. It does them lots of good for the other side to be bashing each other. We're doing the job for them.

You know, there's plenty going on from both sides, so don't act like Hillary supporters are all . The bashing and belittling from both camps is counterproductive.

 

[jacksonsmom]

A proud Hillary supporter checking in


This election is starting to worry me. Not so much Obama and Clinton but their supporters. I have heard so much crap like "I'm not voting if so and so doesn't get the nom" or "I'm voting for McCain if so and so gets the nom"
That really worries me that we will see another Rep in the White House next year!

I think Democrats in general need to come together and vote for who ever is on the ticket in November.

I do have to admit it's the Obama's supporters that Obama can do no wrong that are turning me off to him.
I will vote for him though if he is nom but it will be a hard vote.
Because I do not believe Obama is the all mighty uniter many of his supporters think he is.
It is way too hard to unite a Country that is SO divided to begin with.

GO HILLARY!!!!!!

 

[KikiFan]

So is this a Hillary thread or a "bash Obama and his followers as cultists" thread?

I'm supporting BOTH because I believe either one or both of them would be great for this country and I'm really tired of the bashing from both sides.

Fitswimmer, please don't take this as an attack - I swear it's not intended as one!

It's just that your comment is a perfect example of what is frustrating me right now in this campaign. If we (Hillary supporters) speak out about our concerns with Obama we're "bashing"

If we ask why he doesn't speak more about his policy we're told that "we need to be spoonfed" or that he cant address the needs of every silly little individual. Or that we should just go read his book.

Hillary supporters almost 100% are willing to vote for Obama where as a disturbing number of Obama supporters are threatening to sit out the election or even vote McCain. And very few have been able/ willing to give a rational answer why.

Hillary say's if Obama wins she'll go back to the Senate and give 100% to support to Obama. Obama talks about how his supporters won't got to Hillary.

There is a very disturbing double standard going on in this campaign. Why is up to Hillary and her supporters to be the "uniters" in this campaign? Why is it that every single thing Hillary does is ridiculed or dismissed as being for "Political gain" and the same rarely goes for Obama?

Again, I'm sorry if it feels like an attack I truly don't mean it that way. I'm really trying to understand the disparity of their treatment by voters and the media.

 

[Laura]

Well - all I have to say is that I did not see many Hillary supporters doing that. In fact, all along the way I saw Hillary people saying they will support the whoever the nom is. You cannot say that for the Obama people.

That's simply untrue. I've seen Hillary supporters state they'll vote for McCain if she doesn't get the nomination. I'm an Obama supporter, and plenty of us have said we'll vote for Hillary if she's the Democratic candidate. I'm delighted she's my alternate choice.