Help me convince my DD she can't borrow an AP...

[Willa]

My DD will be taking her honeymoon at WDW next month, and her fiance has a cousin who wants to "loan" them he and his wife's annual passes. The cousin insists that he has loaned them out to other people.

I don't believe this is possible, but of course my DD is super excited about being able to take the expense of park tickets out of her honeymoon budget.

Am I right in believing that this is not allowed, and also is just plain impossible? If so, please give me so ammunition to help convince my daughter of this. What will happen to them at the turnstiles if they try to enter with someone else's APs?

 

[Cheshire Figment]

The finger scan will fail. The Greeter will say try again, maybe once or twice. Then the greeter will ask for identification. If the name on the identification does not match the name on the tickets the tickets will be confiscated. At best the Guests attempting to use the tickets will be asked to go to a booth and purchase their tickets on the spot.

At worst there may be a long discussion with Security, and possibly the Sheriff's Office about how they got those tickets. There is a strong possibility that the tickets will be canceled and the cousine will not be able to get them reissued.

(And note in my signature where I work.)

 

[Willa]

The finger scan will fail. The Greeter will say try again, maybe once or twice. Then the greeter will ask for identification. If the name on the identification does not match the name on the tickets the tickets will be confiscated. At best the Guests attempting to use the tickets will be asked to go to a booth and purchase their tickets on the spot.

At worst there may be a long discussion with Security, and possibly the Sheriff's Office about how they got those tickets. There is a strong possibility that the tickets will be canceled and the cousine will not be able to get them reissued.

(And note in my signature where I work.)

Thanks for the information - I really appreciate that.

 

[MomofKatie]

Yeah, that's not gonna work.

Passes/tickets are nontransferrable. Your DD and DH will have to purchase their own tickets when they are stopped at the turnstiles. I honestly don't know what, if anything, CMs will do with the APs that aren't theirs, though. I wouldn't think they would confiscate them...

*ETA- Ooh, I guess Cheshire Figment answered that question... Tell DD it's not worth the hassle and risk. Just go ahead and buy the tickets!

 

[jsilvers]

Am I right in believing that this is not allowed, and also is just plain impossible? If so, please give me so ammunition to help convince my daughter of this.

Suggest that they flip the pass over and read the first line on the back. Assuming that it is standard ticket stock, it will say:

Nontransferable. Must be used by the same person on any and all days.​

 

[seashoreCM]

Whose idea is this?

Has DD gone with the family on a WDW trip that was planned with the aid of The DIS? Does her DH want to get acquainted with The DIS and then he can be steered to this thread.

You need a parent to daughter sit down talk about this, including the possibility of a huge family feud with her DH lasting the length of their marriage, should the ruse be found out and the tickets confiscated.

 

[jenseib]

I would be even more wooried that it would make them usless to the cousin after your use. Can you afford to pay for there tickets as a weddin gift? Or can anyone in the family do so?

 

[kathyell]

Let's assume they get away with it EVERY time they enter a park. (As Cheshire Figment pointed out, this is not remotely likely. SOMEONE will question them at some point.) But let's just assume they got away with it every time.

What they're considering doing is still wrong. It goes against the guidelines of the ticket. The capacity to use the ticket is not something that someone can loan to you. They own their own right to use the ticket, but not the right of other people to use that ticket. That is exactly what non-transferable means. It's just plain wrong. I wouldn't want to have "scamming Disney" as part of my treasured memories of my honeymoon.

And on a merely practical level, I also wouldn't want to spend my entire honeymoon worrying that each time through the turnstiles is the time the greeter decides to ask me for ID. How nervewracking. It's not worth a few hundred bucks, it's just not.

 

[MassJester]

It's troublesome that the issue is "will we get caught" instead of "is this wrong."

 

[joshsmom]

The finger scan will fail. The Greeter will say try again, maybe once or twice. Then the greeter will ask for identification. If the name on the identification does not match the name on the tickets the tickets will be confiscated. At best the Guests attempting to use the tickets will be asked to go to a booth and purchase their tickets on the spot.

At worst there may be a long discussion with Security, and possibly the Sheriff's Office about how they got those tickets. There is a strong possibility that the tickets will be canceled and the cousine will not be able to get them reissued.

(And note in my signature where I work.)

Here's the answer, plain and simple. Trying it and getting caught will make for a very memorable, and possibly miserable, honeymoon. NOT WORTH IT!

 

[nytimez]

Let her find out the hard way...

 

[POOHsie]

My DD will be taking her honeymoon at WDW next month, and her fiance has a cousin who wants to "loan" them he and his wife's annual passes. The cousin insists that he has loaned them out to other people.

What kind of honeymoon is that? What kind of way to start a marriage, with a fraud worth, say, at least $500 for the two of them for 3-5 park days at WDW? Does the possibility of Disney/County Sheriff intervention sound like a honeymoon experience they want? What if Disney bans them for the rest of their trip? Makes then Check-out and leave the property?

Here's where they can cut back on their honeymoon. Special accommodations, if any. Deluxe hotel, if any. TS meals, if any. More soft drinks, less alcohol. Limos, if any. New wardrobes, if any. Length of stay reduced. La Nouba, special tours or balloon rides cancelled. Work along these lines to try to make the budget numbers work. All their married lives, they will need to be honest about what they can afford, without relying on credit cards or use of goods and services they aren't entitled to use.

Frankly, my late husband and I married at Miami City Hall, had a reception at mom and dad's and no honeymoon. We couldn't afford it. Oh well. In later years, we started to go to WDW, when we could afford it. We had a good life, lived within our means.

Best of everything to these newlyweds.

 

[joshsmom]

Let her find out the hard way...

Well, if she doesn't listen to mom, she might!!!

Glad its not me--I would be MORTIFIED if something like that happened at the turnstiles!! I panic when, for whatever reason, the little finger scanny thing doesn't work right--and I buy my tickets FROM Disney!!!!

 

[sweetsusannah]

It is true that Disney tickets are not cheap and it may be tempting to try and "beat the system," but just imagine if everyone tried to do that. Disney has a special magic that you can't get anywhere else and it takes a huge amount of money to open and operate the parks as they do everyday. Sure, they are in the business to make money but that is what a business is and without the money the parks wouldn't be there.

I know weddings can be expensive and so can a honeymoon! When we got married 5 years ago there were websites that allowed us to register for things we would use on our Honeymoon that guest could pay for as our wedding gift. We didn't use it because our parents paid for our honeymoon but we know some couples that did and I am sure they could put Disney tickets on as an item to register for.

 

[d1gitman]

the best way to convince her is to tell her go ahead and try. she'll find out. why bother fretting over it, if she is convinced she is right, let her go right on ahead.

 

[bumbershoot]

It's troublesome that the issue is "will we get caught" instead of "is this wrong."

I don't believe this is possible....

Am I right in believing that this is not allowed, and also is just plain impossible?

....please give me so ammunition to help convince my daughter of this.

What will happen to them at the turnstiles if they try to enter with someone else's APs?

The only line about will she be caught is at the end, after the OP clearly says that they think it's not allowed and impossible, and after the OP asks for info to give his/her daughter to convince her of this.

 

[Willa]

Ok, everybody, thanks for your help.

Let me clear something up - at no point did I say my DD is interested in perpetrating fraud. She just was at a family party today and was offered the use of the APs by the cousin. I don't believe she was trying to pull something over on anyone, it's just that the cousin claimed that borrowing the APs was doable and she was pleased to hear it.

When she comes home this evening, I will tell her what I've learned here today.

Yes, they can afford the tickets, that was in their (very carefully planned) budget all along. She just thought they could use the money elsewhere if it was kosher, but she's about to find out that it isn't, and all will be well.

Thanks again.

 

[joshsmom]

Ok, everybody, thanks for your help.

Let me clear something up - at no point did I say my DD is interested in perpetrating fraud. She just was at a family party today and was offered the use of the APs by the cousin. I don't believe she was trying to pull something over on anyone, it's just that the cousin claimed that borrowing the APs was doable and she was pleased to hear it.

When she comes home this evening, I will tell her what I've learned here today.

Yes, they can afford the tickets, that was in their (very carefully planned) budget all along. She just thought they could use the money elsewhere if it was kosher, but she's about to find out that it isn't, and all will be well.

Thanks again.

 

[Rhonna]

I've had an annual pass more than once. 10+ day trips to WDW and park hopping during those trips. I have been finger scanned EVERY SINGLE TIME I enter a park.

Is it even POSSIBLE to get in without the finger scan???? If you put your pass through the "reader" and DON'T do the finger scan, doesn't the machine stop you and alert the CM that the person needs to do the finger scan? I can't believe any CM doesn't insist on it.

I guess I am asking a CM if it's even possible for someone to slip in without the finger scan?

 

[disneyfan55]

I've had an annual pass more than once. 10+ day trips to WDW and park hopping during those trips. I have been finger scanned EVERY SINGLE TIME I enter a park.

Is it even POSSIBLE to get in without the finger scan???? If you put your pass through the "reader" and DON'T do the finger scan, doesn't the machine stop you and alert the CM that the person needs to do the finger scan? I can't believe any CM doesn't insist on it.

I guess I am asking a CM if it's even possible for someone to slip in without the finger scan?

We have been to WDW a few times when the scanners were turned off. May 2009 when the swine flu scare was on the scanners were not on. Also, during some very busy times they're off.