help me buy a digital camera for my cruise!

My first digital camera was really cheap - yuck! I had to hook it up to the computer to even see the picture. I upgraded to an Olympus D370 which I thought was great. When it got stolen last January, I started doing more research. I tried an HP 315 for a month and was disappointed with it. I now have an Olympus D510 and I love it. I took some awesome shots at the circus last Saturday. I got a 128MG disk from Amazon for $55! At the lowest setting (but still better than that first camera) the disk will hold 1330 pictures! But I keep it set for about 230 pics. You can pick up a D510 for around $250-300. I have a year to practice. I want my first cruise pictures to be perfect:rolleyes:
 
"With a 2 - 3 megapixel camera the quality is great. Unless you are a pro photographer or you have been using a expensive 35 mm SLR I don't think you will see a difference. "

Really? My 5 year old son can see major differences between a 2.8 pixel digital picture printed out on a $300 printer and a machine print produced with a $140 35mm. He (and I) notice the latter is clearer, has more detail and much more depth in color. Suggests that taste (not career or wealth) may affect knowledge of quality. Whatever, there indeed are good (and bad) times to purchase new technology. The cheaper digitials avaliable now may impress some, but not us and we will wait 8 months to a year when yes, what now costs $600+ will be half the cost. I saw exactly that happen with Hi8 camcorders back in the mid 90s, and yes it IS going to happen again with digital cameras.
 
Thanks for all the great suggestions! I guess I'm very electronically challenged!;) My cruise is less than 2 months away. Should I just go ahead and buy another film camera while I'm deciding/pricing a digital? I hate to just rely on a new piece of equip. that I may not have time to practice using. Also, where did you buy your camera? Where do you feel had the best value?
Thanks again!
 
Quote: Really? My 5 year old son can see major differences between a 2.8 pixel digital picture printed out on a $300 printer and a machine print produced with a $140 35mm. He (and I) notice the latter is clearer, has more detail and much more depth in color.

We will have to agree to disagree on this subject. I respect your opinion I just want to make sure people don't get the wrong idea about digital cameras. My 5 year old is very excited to see pictures of herself and her brother and sister on the tv and in pictures we print and look at on the computer. They can hold them, bend them, hang them by their desk, get finger prints on them. We can eaisily print more. She also has fun taking pictures with the camera (as does my 2 year old). She loves for us to e-mail pictures of her to our relatives. She was also very excited to take pictures of herself and her new brother (printed on a $100.00 printer) to school the day after he was born. We would have had a hard time convincing her that if she waited a few days we may be able to get her a higher quality print to show her friends. If you have a 5 year old that is concerned with picture quality than you should wait for the camera that you want to purchase. My daughter is not concerned with picture quality. Never once do I recall her saying "Daddy let's go back to the old camera. These new pictures are less clear, lack detail, and don't have the depth of color that I saw in our other pictures." I would say most 5 year olds (and adults for that matter) will be satisfied with the quality of digial pictures and will spend time enjoying them, in the many more ways digital allows you, rather than comparing them and therefore I don't want anyone to think that the quality of the current cameras is so poor that they would make a mistake buying one. I am glad that I have the digital pictures I have. I wish I would have bought a digital camera a year ago. Someday I will buy the next latest and greatest camera but I am glad I did not wait. New technology is not always the answer (The Beta VCR). If you think it is the best idea for you to wait then you should wait but many don't share this opinion. Sales of digital cameras are huge. If they were so bad people would not be buying them. There would not be several magazines devoted to digital photography. Comp USA would not have redone all of there stores to include a special section for digital cameras. Sure they are going to get better and better. I am sure Disney will have new bigger better boats someday but that isn't keeping any of us from sailing now.

Daltonsdodisney, I bought mine at Best Buy. As to learning to use it, it should not take long at all. The film camera stores the pictures on film. The digital stores them on memory but other than that many of the function are similar.
 

Daltonsdodisney-

I agree with Mikeymars on quickly evolving technology. We bought 3 camcorders in the last 10 yrs. since my DD was born! There is always something better coming out and you can keep spending money... Digitals are great for a lot of things and are so convenient- instant gratification, emails etc...
. Action shots are better with 35MM cameras.

We bought ours just shortly before our first cruise from IQVC. They had it on special- it was the best price around at the time, saving about $200. We barely knew how to use it when we left & we had beautiful photos from the trip, so the learning curve seems to be pretty short. IQVC has a 30 day money back quarantee. I figured if we didn't like it, we could send it back. We loved it & kept it. Costco, Amazon and Best Buy have good prices & also have 30 day refund policies, so they would be good to buy from too. Purchase the camera within 2 weeks of your cruise & you'll have plenty of time to learn, practice & you can decide if you want to keep it when you get home- you'll still be within your 30 days if you're not pleased with it.
:)
 
ruvidu - You wrote: "I have seen the lower priced Dimage 7s offered as well. Most of the places offering it at those prices also have a lot of negative feedback (Gray Market, Bait and Switch and paying extra for included components)."

The prices I was quoting were not gray market. One place offering the Dimage 7 at that price is MPSuperStore at http://www.mpsuperstore.com/. Quote from their description: "This product is brand new and comes complete with all manufacturer supplied accessories. Original MANUFACTURERS USA warranty IS included." I know several people who shop there and they have no complaints. You will probably find the 7 will continue to drop as the 7i nears release.
 
Just to add some detail to my earlier point about 'there are and aren't good times to upgrade," here's yet another (somewhat involved) example:

While on the 3/23 cruise, I unfortunately left my splashcaddy waterproof bag open while playing with my son (building a sandcastle) on the rocks at the southern end of Dawn Beach on St. Marteen. A big wave rolled in and swamped the bag, which contained among other things my 1998 vintage Sony TRV940 Hi8 camcorder.

After drying it out, the CCD still worked, but the camcorder would neither record nor play back. Dead for rest of cruise. When we got home, I investigated repair and found it would require (as I expected) a new head, which with labor would run a little over $200.

So I investigated repair vs. replace. Where are we in early 2002? Well, while Hi8 is still alive and well, Sony is already heavily marketing their "transitional" format called digital 8 (records and plays in either 8, Hi8 or digital on 8mm tapes) and everyone is heavily pushing mini DV (ergo, pure digital).

To replace my old Hi8 with a brand new one will run $260-300, albeit the current Hi8 models have been cheapened by Sony (such as no stereo audio or flying erase heads like my old TRV940) because Sonys marketing strategy is to force the bells and whistles segment (me) into digital 8 or mini DV. Problem is, acceptable digital 8s start at around $500 and I am uncomfortable buying a "transitional" format that only one company (Sony) markets or supports (buying that is asking for trouble five years from now - just look at what has happened to owners of Sony Beta equipment). As for mini DV, yes, those little palm-sized recorders are sure sexy, but the decent ones run $1100 and up and frankly don't do much better video than Hi8 (latter has 500 lines of vertical resolution in super VHS mode, vs. 525 for digital. The visual diifference is impossible to see, I've seen side-by-side demos).

So where did that lead me? To eBay, where I picked up a lightly used (4 hours) still warrantied demo model of a Sony TRV87 from a credible retailer in Canada. It's an older model Hi8 (with all the bells and whistles like stereo, flying erase heads and multiple fade modes that Sony has subsequently removed from their Hi8 line, and in fact has some features that my old TRV940 didn't have, like snapshot mode) and I picked it up for less than $300. That "last-of-the-good-TRVS" (as one on-line review put it) will suit me just fine until mini DV becomes (a) more affordable (I give that a year to a year and a half at most) and (b) contains better digital photo capabilities (Like others, I'd love to have a single decent camera/camcorder combo and am willing to wait for that).

By the way, for those who have heard the "analog video is bad because your tapes will disintegrate over time, so buy digital" propoganda, don't buy it. I have VHS tapes of me blasting away in a rock group that were shot way back in 1982 that look still look brand new today, and video of my daughter as a newborn shot back in 1993 on Hi8 also looks brand new (my gut is wear and tear - not age --is what destroys analog videotape, so it will hold up well as long as it isn't continually played; none of that "archival stuff" I mentioned gets looked at very often, which is why it's still healthy). And if those ever do begin to have problems, technology to copy them into digital format (tape or disc) will be readily available and cheaper than that costs to do today.
 
I have an HP315 (2.1 megapixel) and an HP PhotoSmart 1000.

The camera is now about $200 and the printer is $150 -200. My wife hates computers. So, with this setup, I can...

1. Take the Compact Flash card out of the camera and plug it into the printer and print the shot I want.

OOORRRRR

2. Find the shot I want to print on the camera, point and click in front of the printer and IT WILL WIRELESSLY PRINT THE SHOT in any standard size.

My dear wife can use it - it is just like a Polaroid! No unloading - just point and click and print.

Great quality - very very easy to use!
 
I have an HP315 (2.1 megapixel) and an HP PhotoSmart 1000.

The camera is now about $200 and the printer is $150 -200. My wife hates computers. So, with this setup, I can...

1. Take the Compact Flash card out of the camera and plug it into the printer and print the shot I want.

OOORRRRR

2. Find the shot I want to print on the camera, point and click in front of the printer and IT WILL WIRELESSLY PRINT THE SHOT in any standard size.

My dear wife can use it - it is just like a Polaroid! No unloading - just point and click and print.

Great quality - very very easy to use!
 
Now, originally I wasn't going to post on this thread, but, after reading it thru, I am sure daltonsdodisney is more confused than ever. All these technological arguments are honestly, irrelevant. There will always be some new advancement around the corner that might be worth waiting for. If you decide to wait, you might as well wait forever. My honest suggestion at this point is pretty simple. Use your own judgement. I do have, however, a number of points you will want to keep in mind while shopping for one.

  • Zoom. How important is this to you? You will need to look for any that have optical zoom. Digital zoom is very bad. The pictures lose a lot fo detail on digital. 3x is about the minimumfor a good zoom, but higher the better.
  • Megapixels. Personally, I agree with one of the above posts that unless you plan on printing out all your pictures in 8x10 anything 1.5 or up is acceptible. You will discover that you'll wind up printing out very few of the pictures as you go along. I wind up scrapbooking each trip, if anything. And even then there are good computer scrapbook programs out there now to use the pictures directly.
  • Memory. This will wind up being an additional expense as most cameras don't include enough memory to take a good number of pictures at the higher quality settings. And you will want to use the higher quality settings. Look at buying 64 or 128 megabyte chip right away, they're very low priced right now.
  • Battery power. Make sure the camera can either use AA batteries as well as its own battery if it has a special one for those times you can't stop to (or forget to) recharge it, or get an extra battery for it right away.
  • Storage. You're going to want to have some kind of separate storage device to keep the pictures on once you get home as well. A Zip drive or a CD recorder are the best choices. Your computer doesn't have an infinite amount of storage, and what happens to the pictures if the computer has a problem.
  • Brand. Try to stick with a good name brand, and if possible a good name in 35mm cameras like Nikon or Olympus. Off brand cameras are usually very cheesy.
  • Price. Now here's the tricky part, there's always going to be a model on markdown, so you can find a good buy on one if you look a bit, but be a little wary, sometimes the markdown is just to make way for a new model, but it's also sometimes to get rid of one that may be trouble.
Once you have it narrowed down, do a search engine for that particular one and look for reviews and such. Good luck. I've been happy with both the ones I have bought in the past 4 years. With the exception of waterproof cameras, I haven't used film since I got my first one.
 
For what it's worth... here's my 2 cents!

I did a LOT of research on digital cameras. What drove me to want to make the change? I shot 14 rolls of film on my December cruise with my "trusty" little 35mm... it had never failed me before. To start, the place where I always got my film developed, lost a roll, and then the icing on the cake - some of the best pictures of my daughter would have been great if they had been in focus!

Now, being a photographer, from back in the days when my dream of a "fancy" camera was to have a camera that automatically advanced the film.... I knew I really wanted Nikon, but was willing to look at what else was out there. I was really taken with the Sonys that use the mini CD... however they had a lot of drawbacks (no viewfinder, so you HAVE to use the LCD)... I went with the Nikon CoolPix 995 - and in the two months of owning it... still love it. A couple of things I think about when I think back on all the "warnings" from others... the bit about "get a camera that allows you to use disposable batteries"... for me, forget about it! I shoot a LOT of pictures... and I'm finding I'm getting over a weeks life with one battery charge... but still I did purchase a second battery as a backup. The compact flash that came with the camera is on 16mb... which is fine for me (most of the time). I went out and purchased a card reader... and just download the pictures as I take them. Of course this doesn't solve the problem of when I'm on a cruise - I haven't decided whether to just invest in more Compact Flash or to bring the laptop along to download as I go...
 
Gee, after reading all the posts from the "pros", I am confused, too! I appreciate mikeymars trying to explain everything in simple terms, but I am still lost(as I am sure others are). For those of us who are technologically challenged, ease of use and price seem to rule supreme. In my quest for both, my DH and I decided on the Kodak DC3400. The price was right(@$200 at Walmart in Dec.), it came with a bigger compactflash than most(8MB), it has 2.0 megapixel resolution and 2x optical and 3x digital zoom(not sure what that means, but it was "better" than other cameras in the same price-range, according to DH), and even I can use it! We were able to get a great shot of a starfish in the Bahamas while on the 4-day in Jan., and good shots of the Wonder. We invested $50 in a bigger "card" to hold more pictures, so this should fall right into the price range daltonsdodisney is looking for. Also, the software that comes with the camera is really easy to use. Once DH installed it, I was able to plug the camera up and download pictures myself, a major feat for 1 who can only turn the computer and modem on. We have been satisfied so far, as has a computer savvy friend of mine who bought hers about a year before I bought mine. Good luck in your quest, and just remember my mantra when shopping for electronics:"Whatever I buy today will be outdated tomorrow." ;)
 
I agree, Mic. As I stated, the "quality" IS in the eyes of the beholder. Those of us who are professional photographers would not be satisfied with some of the flaws of lower-priced digital cameras, but for those who want simplicity, ease of use, a low-powererd zoom and built-in flash in order to shoot "snapshots" for a scrapbook or a personal website, there are a myriad of suitable, reasonably-priced cameras out there. Your suggestion to stick to the better known camera manufacturers is EXCELLENT advice.

I hope everyone out there who has a low to mid-priced digital camera has not been offended by the tone of this thread. Just as with computers, there are people who demand the latest, greatest super-system with all the bells and whistles. They buy one and keep it only until they can't stand not having state-of-the-art anymore. As soon as you leave the store it becomes old because new technology is always just around the corner. If computer work or photography is one's profession, one feels compelled to keep up with the technology. Otherwise, the ONLY thing important is to buy what works for YOU and stick with it until it no longer works for YOU.
 
Hi All,

My wife and I just went through the process of buying our first digital camera, so I'll recount our experience. By doing quite a bit of research, we quickly realized that the most important basic features of a digital camera (other than price of course) were resolution (megapixels), optical zoom (as has been said before, "digital" zoom was pretty much irrelevant), battery life, and memory media.

We decided that a 3+ megapixel resolution, a 3x optical zoom lens, and memory sufficient to hold a couple hundred pictures was the minimum we'd consider. Size was also a consideration. We initially looked at the Sony, Olympus, Canon and Nikon models. All of the cameras had similar features and similar prices. The differences were in the types of batteries and storage media. We had pretty much decided on the Nikon Coolpix 885, but my wife then went out on the net and did a bit more research. She discovered that the Minolta Dimage S304 was highly recommended and had some features that exceeded the Nikon.. and actually came in at nearly half the price of the Nikon.

The Nikon was 3.x megapixels, and a 3x Optical Zoom and cost around $799 (plus upgraded memory etc.) The Minolta was 3.x megapixels, a *4x* optical zoom and cost around $399 (plus accessories). The Nikon Coolpix was slightly smaller than the Minolta, but not by too much.

We decided that since it was our first digital camera, we'd opt for the more economical choice. Although we've only had the camera for a few weeks, we are very satified with our choice.

Hope this helps a bit...

Gusman
 
O.K., just another set of thoughts on the subject of "when is the right time to purchase 'new" technology?"

These days, it generally makes little sense to buy the first generation versions of a new photo or video technology (which is where we are right now with digital cameras and mini DV video). Why?

Well, to begin with, first generation versions are priced extremely high, due to limited demand, the need for immediate returns on investments in manufacturing and limited competition. As demand and competition simultaneously grow, manufacturing costs drop and all three of these things quickly force prices down. Ergo, those who recently spent close to $400 for a 3+ megapixel resolution camera are going to be really annoyed by the camera ads they see in the newspaper come this December.

That leads to the second point: the period between the first generation versions and the second, third etc. that follow (with more features and better prices) is shrinking. This is to a large extent due to the fact technology-related product life cycles in general have been speeding up over the last 25 years. Example: in the early 1980s, the period between “first’ generation PC chips and the “second” was almost 4 years. By the mid 90s, it was two years or so. Now it’s down to a year or less. So the time between “being first on the block to own” vs. “I got a much better version for a lot less” has shrunk dramatically.

Or stated differently, the first person on the block doesn’t have nearly as long or as much to brag about as they used to. And likely has an attic full of quirky techno-antiques like top-loading beta VCRs, big, heavy auto-focus 35mm SLRS and full-size VHS camcorders. To which they will soon add their non-X3 digital cameras and camcorders.

So if you must have that first generation digital photo/video stuff right now, fine, but realize you are paying a lot more for a lot less than what others are going to get in less than a year
 
Ah, glad I tracked this thread down! I need to get a digital camara this weekend.

Does anyone have any further thoughts on recomendations?
If anyone has just recently bought one, how was the shopping experience? Are you happy with the purchase?
 
Good thread! Having just researched this topic for our cruise in January, we have finally decided on an Olympus D550 Zoom. It will run $300 to 350, has 3 megapixels and 2.8x optical zoom.

This is a personal shopping experience. I think you have to decide what features are important to you, and their order of importance; i.e. megapixels, price, zoom, memory, etc. Then do a comparison search.

Good luck!
 
We plan on going to Best Buy or a comparable store and actually looking at the pictures . We have been told they will take 1 picture with each of a few cameras a and then print them all off the same printer. so you can compare .

Steve
 
I purchased a digital camera at Sam's yesterday for $129.00. It is a Vivitar Vivicam 2.1MP Digital Camera and it came with a camera case and batteries. They just started offering the deal here, not sure if it is available at other Sam's. This is the camera at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...r=1-8/ref=sr_1_8/104-1007716-7112748?v=glance listed at $229.00 (reduced price). Truthfully don't know if it is a great camera (hoping it is) but if you need on quick and cheap it's something to look at.
 

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